Jaffa_The_Hut
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You don’t keep hold of the likes of Nuttall/Lubala/Howe/Sarkic and get rid of Bowler plain and simple.
26 appearances, 1566 minutes played, 3 assists 1 goal.He's got more than three assists. But I think the thing is not just losing him but can his replacement (Hamilton? Mitchell? Dale?) do any better? I'd suggest not.
26 appearances, 1566 minutes played, 3 assists 1 goal.
Dale has scope and we’ve not seen the best of him. CJ needs game time, but scoring ability and record of assists is far greater than Josh.
CJ got slaughtered on Saturday, but still delivered 2 crosses that Lavery somehow managed to miss. He’s had 28 appearances in 2 seasons, just 5 this season with 191 game time. For comparison purposes, he scored 5 and had 3 assists in 23 appearances last season.
Bowler looked anything but a star against a L2 team, same issues as previously.
26 appearances, 1566 minutes played, 3 assists 1 goal.
Despite putting words in my mouth you still haven't answered my question. Anyway I'm off on a scouting mission to Old Trafford shortly with a Villan. We are both in the Utd end of the ground.A statistic doesn't get me out of my seat. Bosom buddies Timps and Insy seem to be obsessed by them. What gets me out of my seat is the excitement of Bowler running at players and causing sheer panic to defenders. Some posters have had it in for Bowler pretty much from the outset.
A statistic doesn't get me out of my seat. Bosom buddies Timps and Insy seem to be obsessed by them. What gets me out of my seat is the excitement of Bowler running at players and causing sheer panic to defenders. Some posters have had it in for Bowler pretty much from the outset.
I'll let you know what I think of Ronaldo when I get back or maybe you can tell me what I think now.
No fantasy pal, I have shadowed a scout from a top club (albeit a good few years ago) and I’ve scored players that his club were interested in.Firstly, your stats are wrong.
1 against Bristol City
2 against Peterborough
1 against Huddersfield
Secondly, clubs and their recruitment department don't load up the top scorers and assisters and work their way down it. They'll look at the type of chances they create and whether their existing forwards feed off those chances. They'll also, shock horror, use their eyes to see a players influence on a game.
This isn't picking a Fantasy Football side this is picking a player to buy and integrate of real life players with their own strengths and characteristics.
No fantasy pal, I have shadowed a scout from a top club (albeit a good few years ago) and I’ve scored players that his club were interested in.
The stats I quoted are from recognised sites, but you’re really arguing over 1 assist.
This. ^Unless it's 4 million or more then tell them all to get fucked! We are down to 18 players as it is. Lose him and Gretarrson we are down to 16!!!
He can be brilliant and frustrating, but there are few players like him and if he wasn't our player we would be licking our lips at the prospect of signing him.
We need to be getting rid of the deadwood and making sure we get 3 or 4 in, whether they be signed or loans, we have to strengthen, any more injuries and we'll be playing the kids.
20s. You really are a dinosaur. Check the football staff lists and see how many analysts are employed supplying all that information you are so dismissive of.A statistic doesn't get me out of my seat. Bosom buddies Timps and Insy seem to be obsessed by them. What gets me out of my seat is the excitement of Bowler running at players and causing sheer panic to defenders. Some posters have had it in for Bowler pretty much from the outset.
errr.... but that wasn't my point was it. I know stats are oft quoted. But I don't go to a game and count stats do I? Think that's what you do as you seem obsessedt by them. As I said, I go to games to watch players like Bowler get me out of my seat with excitement. Not sure, that's got anything to do with being a dinosaur.20s. You really are a dinosaur. Check the football staff lists and see how many analysts are employed supplying all that information you are so dismissive of.
To be fair Tango it was pre analytics, and I don’t refer to stats generally. I watch very closely and unfortunately the stats are exactly as I would expect, based on end product.You'll be aware that they don't just load up WhoScored then. unless it was so long ago so as to be before the huge, huge influx of different kinds of indepth analytics used to assess players.
And it may only be one league goal, but it shows how you are judging him. If you'd be watching you wouldn't be so reliant on stats sites.
Not all assists are equal, either.
Last season he scored 5 and had 3 assists in just 23 league appearances (1751 minutes of game time). That record stands up very well against others.
"26 appearances, 1566 minutes played, 3 assists 1 goal."
I don’t think we are actually “ keeping hold” of Nuttall etc. They are under contract and if nobody wants themYou don’t keep hold of the likes of Nuttall/Lubala/Howe/Sarkic and get rid of Bowler plain and simple.
You’ve gone off the deep end 20’s, suggest you re-read the posts. I don’t want him to leave, I’ve commented that he gets me off my seat and that he’s exciting to watch. I’ve also said he frustrating, but that he’s shown recent improvement in his all round game. What’s so bad about any of that?what a staggering thread this is. We have a player like Bowler who so many of us think is a truly exciting player to watch. Yet we have supposed Blackpool fans who seem to love nothing more than putting him down because of his supposed stats.
Tango, I refer you to my last post to 20’s. I want the lad to stay and haven’t criticised him. All I’ve done is refer to end product, but that he’s improving.The above is about CJ, the below is about Bowler.
Strange how one is being criticised and one being given an impassioned defence. CJ's were at a lower level too. And also shows why the inaccuracy of your stats is worth highlighting.
I made no issue about stats as I know full well that clubs collate them. Pretty staggering that four clubs higher placed than us would be interested in a Bowler then when his stats are so bad. Why is that? Makes no sense using your logic.You’ve gone off the deep end 20’s, suggest you re-read the posts. I don’t want him to leave, I’ve commented that he gets me off my seat and that he’s exciting to watch. I’ve also said he frustrating, but that he’s shown recent improvement in his all round game. What’s so bad about any of that?
As for your comment about Insider and me, it’s nonsense. I don’t often refer to stats, and Insider posts stats that whether you like it or not, are used by clubs & coaches. Players are tracked physically in-game (my youth team we use trackers). Every club maintains data on player impact e.g. assists. I’m afraid getting out of our seat and being excited isn’t part of the assessment.
Because he has POTENTIAL to be better than he currently is - nothing we don’t know already. They are not buying a polished player and if they were, he’d be north of £10m like the lad at Forest or Gordon at Everton.I made no issue about stats as I know full well that clubs collate them. Pretty staggering that four clubs higher placed than us would be interested in a Bowlet then when his stats are so bad. Why is that? Makes no sense using your logic.
so if he has this potential why have you been so quick to criticise him every time. And I think I'm right in saying you [and/or Insy] think his best position is on the bench. Faith in his potential eh! I notice you started a thread defending CJ. Perhaps you prefer him to Bowler looking at your comments on both of them.Because he has POTENTIAL to be better than he currently is - nothing we don’t know already. They are not buying a polished player and if they were, he’d be north of £10m like the lad at Forest or Gordon at Everton.
Do me the courtesy of addressing the question I asked you - copied below for ease.so if he has this potential why have you been so quick to criticise him every time. And I think I'm right in saying you [and/or Insy] think his best position is on the bench. Faith in his potential eh!
As I've said, I've rightly always had the impression you've had a downer on Bowler. And to persistently just use stats to back up your case and even though they may be half accurate, proves my point. We all know, he's frustrating, we all know there's room for improvement, things to work on but I think most of us will make allowances for that because we know what a talent he is.Do me the courtesy of addressing the question I asked you - copied below for ease.
I don’t want him to leave, I’ve commented that he gets me off my seat and that he’s exciting to watch. I’ve also said he frustrating, but that he’s shown recent improvement in his all round game. What’s so bad about any of that?
My biggest issue with Josh was his lack of work out of possession - Critch referred to it, albeit not directly and that adjustments had been made. We saw at Huddersfield a much more complete contribution and I was quick to praise him.
More nonsense, I have very rarely used stats in my posts. Today I have for Josh and CJ, the latter to demonstrate the harshness of the venom sent his way on Saturday. Feel free to look back through my posts to check the veracity of this response.As I've said, I've rightly always had the impression you've had a downer on Bowler. And to persistently just use stats to back up your case and even though they may be half accurate, proves my point. We all know, he's frustrating, we all know there's room for improvement, things to work on but I think most of us will make allowances for that because we know what a talent he is.
I pretty much stated there's always room for improvement so really don't get your last para. As for stats, well it's been established that he's had more than 3 assists this season, so yep they are inaccurate. Just for the record, CJ doesn't float my boat but i did comment that that thread title and some comment were rather poor.More nonsense, I have very rarely used stats in my posts. Today I have for Josh and CJ, the latter to demonstrate the harshness of the venom sent his way on Saturday. Feel free to look back through my posts to check the veracity of this response.
As for the stats, they are from an online site, repeated on all the others I looked at. Tell me the specifics of where they are even half-accurate.
If you want to bury your head and ignore his areas for improvement then fine. Offers to buy him don’t mean he doesn’t have those needs - the clubs won’t bury their heads - they are bidding on potential.
You stated about improvement, so have I, but for some reason you jumped on me for criticising him. The stats I gave were league, as stated.I pretty much stated there's always room for improvement so really don't get your last para. As for stats, well it's been established that he's had more than 3 assists this season, so yep they are inaccurate. Just for the record, CJ doesn't float my boat but i did comment that that thread title and some comment were rather poor.
And for the record, I've made no comment on any perceived valuation of Bowler. I;ve simply pointed out that four clubs higher placed than us are seemingly interested. It is intersting to note that Johnson at Forest, and last year at Lincoln on loan is considered a 20 million pound player yet Bowler is nowhere near that value. Are teams paying 20 mil for potential or is he the finished article. If so, he must have made remarkable strides this season.
Anyway, it's a monday and i'm out for the night now.
Don `t be discouraged from doing the stats I and am sure many others like to see them.HT here at OT. For the record on current form I wouldn't swap Bowler for Rashford and the player I came to scout isn't playing.
Also for the record I'd keep Bowler unless we got a silly money offer. I simply pointed out before his strengths and weaknesses and currently the latter outweigh the former. He certainly gets me out if my seat both ways. As for the stats thread I just post them for interest. I don't prepare them. Feel free to ignore them.
“All in all if we get offered anything over £500k I'd let him go.” You must be joking! If top Championship clubs are after him surely he’s worth a lot more?Without question Bowler is our most skilful player and from that point of view he will be very difficult to replace. He's good at taking the ball in his own half and getting us quickly down to the other end of the pitch and we don't have many others than can do that.
But that's where it all falls down. His decision making is dreadful and whilst we shouldn't necessarily judge him on his defensive qualities he is very weak in the tackle.
The other thing I commented on at the weekend is his frequent moaning. Now that could be frustration with himself but I just get the impression he might not fit in.
All in all if we get offered anything over £500k I'd let him go.
We won our next gameIf Bowler leaves we will drop like a stone , I was looking at the fixtures earlier and we have some massively tough games, 2nd part of the season is gonna be harder and for me the Boro defeat at home was devastating and you don't just shake them results off.
This is spot on.what a staggering thread this is. We have a player like Bowler who so many of us think is a truly exciting player to watch. Yet we have supposed Blackpool fans who seem to love nothing more than putting him down because of his supposed stats.
Stats are useful but I prefer my eyes.20s. You really are a dinosaur. Check the football staff lists and see how many analysts are employed supplying all that information you are so dismissive of.
If we're hoping CJ is good enough for this level, we've messed up.I think we'll see Bowler & CJ playing now, since Anderson has been injured and to be honest, if I was a defender I'd be cracking my pants. If they can click they are going to be so exciting to watch. They both need a proper run in the team, no chopping and changing. We don't want to be without either of them!
I’m not blinkered at all to Bowler. Can see his weaknesses, but can also see what he gives us and what the opposition think of him. Nobody else gives us what he can.Unfortunately Winkey's injured.
The football World use stats. Utd signed Ronaldi because he scores otspot of goals not just because he's got a nice haircut.
But like you I prefer to use my eyes without blinkers on. I'd probably be picking Bowler every week but that doesn't mean I can't see his weaknesses..And no we don't have a replacement.
28 appearances in two seasons, quality that. Hardly reliable.26 appearances, 1566 minutes played, 3 assists 1 goal.
Dale has scope and we’ve not seen the best of him. CJ needs game time, but scoring ability and record of assists is far greater than Josh.
CJ got slaughtered on Saturday, but still delivered 2 crosses that Lavery somehow managed to miss. He’s had 28 appearances in 2 seasons, just 5 this season with 191 game time. For comparison purposes, he scored 5 and had 3 assists in 23 appearances last season.
Bowler looked anything but a star against a L2 team, same issues as previously.