How Not to Run a Football Club - Official Discussion Thread

foggy said:
Quite simply, you don't know what you are talking about if you think the Huddersfield protest was organised a couple of hours before kickoff. That's just obviously not true, no matter how much you wish you were there for it. And if you've reread it you will know I never said the Knights organised the Derby protest, as you said. I know you decided beforehand you wouldn't like it, so if making stuff up is the best you can do to find inaccuracies, I will know I've done well.
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Foggy just ignore him he can’t help himself but l do find it surprising he’s got time to read a book and being Critchleys biggest critic at the same time!🤣🤣
 
Oh yeh l forgot mine arrived this afternoon too from Amazon, Fr Bayern said it’s the first time you’ve smiled all weekend when l opened it!😉
 
foggy said:
I think he's a bit upset people didn't keep him in the loop because they didn't trust he could keep his mouth shut...or so I was told
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Can’t find fault in any of Critch’s decisions today so needs something else to gripe about, mine’s just been delivered, resisting the urge to jump to page 64😂
 
foggy said:
Quite simply, you don't know what you are talking about if you think the Huddersfield protest was organised a couple of hours before kickoff. That's just obviously not true, no matter how much you wish you were there for it. And if you've reread it you will know I never said the Knights organised the Derby protest, as you said. I know you decided beforehand you wouldn't like it, so if making stuff up is the best you can do to find inaccuracies, I will know I've done well.
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No that's incorrect, absolute bollux

There are 3 people who were there at half time who set of the signal for the pitch invasion

I was one of them you certainly were not, neither are any of the people mentioned in the book, including the Knights

Don't want to fall out with you as generally its a decent book

But some of the stuff you are now posting proves you were a million miles away from any of
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
No that's incorrect, absolute bollux

There are 3 people who were there at half time who set of the signal for the pitch invasion

I was one of them you certainly were not, neither are any of the people mentioned in the book, including the Knights

Don't want to fall out with you as generally its a decent book

But some of the stuff you are now posting proves you were a million miles away from any of
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Are you actually Donald Trump?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
No that's incorrect, absolute bollux

There are 3 people who were there at half time who set of the signal for the pitch invasion

I was one of them you certainly were not, neither are any of the people mentioned in the book, including the Knights

Don't want to fall out with you as generally its a decent book

But some of the stuff you are now posting proves you were a million miles away from any of
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If it’s a decent book why are you asking for a refund ?

And if it’s that shit why did you read it one and a half times and not stop at one 🤔 and who reads a book one and a half times anyway 🤥

Get over yourself Philip, we have.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
No that's incorrect, absolute bollux

There are 3 people who were there at half time who set of the signal for the pitch invasion

I was one of them you certainly were not, neither are any of the people mentioned in the book, including the Knights

Don't want to fall out with you as generally its a decent book

But some of the stuff you are now posting proves you were a million miles away from any of
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I've literally spoken to people who were talking with the police days beforehand. You don't have to believe it if you want to feel like you were involved. I don't want to rob you of that. I'm happy with the truth.
 
The people who organised the Huddersfield pitch invasion were in the Bloomfield pub pre-march on JD1 as the police spoke about how it would play out
The TKs led that
BST supported but didn’t take the lead so as to avoid it’s committee being targeted for action - as I had been
From what I saw Foggy has it nailed on that
Equally I don’t see why we need to micro-analysis this
As I said in an earlier post it was a collective effort
 
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foggy said:
I've literally spoken to people who were talking with the police days beforehand. You don't have to believe it if you want to feel like you were involved. I don't want to rob you of that. I'm happy with the truth.
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Talking to the police ha ha

What sort of protest movement talks to the police and tells them what they are doing

** hell man

How naive ...

Anyway this thread was set up to ask for opinions I'm giving mine from stuff i was directly involved in and I'm getting grief for it

Bizarre
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Talking to the police ha ha

What sort of protest movement talks to the police and tells them what they are doing

** hell man

How naive ...

Anyway this thread was set up to ask for opinions I'm giving mine from stuff i was directly involved in and I'm getting grief for it

Bizarre
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It's cause it's not an opinion, you're wrong about a fact.

They were organising a civil protest, those sorts of things often involve the police. I have multiple sources who were there. Is it that hard for you to believe some things happened without you knowing?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Talking to the police ha ha

What sort of protest movement talks to the police and tells them what they are doing

** hell man

How naive ...

Anyway this thread was set up to ask for opinions I'm giving mine from stuff i was directly involved in and I'm getting grief for it

Bizarre
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You’re not you’re sulking because your ego is grazed,

Stating publicly that you are asking for a refund is churlish, childish and mean.
 
Phil was actually in the presence of Ollie for example on the day, the night, and the day after his last game. He said nothing at all… just got his bacon and eggs and sat down… he then reclaims history and slams it’s author.

o have often said this was a war fought on many fronts. All were amazing. I got to know many. I am in awe of them, they worked together, often different outlooks but a common goal. An incredib.e, united alliance that won. Well done Foggy for chronicling it. I’ll gladly reimburse the alleged refund.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Fair enough that Uncle Val delivered the 'coup de gras' but we fans all contributed to the Oystain's demise and departure....

Except of course those scab Mushrooms!

Why some fans need to criticise this book is rather pathetic and hilarious in equal measure.

WE should ALL rejoice in what WE achieved as a Tangerine collective.

UTMP.
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The author set up this thread to get feedback about his book, its a discussion point

I'm offering my opinion on things that i was directly involved in

Yet appear to be getting grief for it

Only in avftt land....
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The people who organised the Huddersfield pitch invasion were in the Bloomfield pub pre-march on JD1 as the police spoke about how it would play out
The TKs led that
BST supported but didn’t take the lead so as to avoid it’s committee being targeted for action - as I had been
From what I saw Foggy has it nailed on that
Equally I don’t see why we need to micro-analysis this
As I said in an earlier post it was a collective effort
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I might be miles off the mark hereTim, but I’m sure we knew well in advance something was happening at that game? I was already boycotting that season, and only went to the game because we were already aware we were doing something. I’ll acknowledge that I wasn’t in the loop, so we weren’t sure of details?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The author set up this thread to get feedback about his book, its a discussion point

I'm offering my opinion on things that i was directly involved in

Yet appear to be getting grief for it

Only in avftt land....
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If you offer an opinion there's not much to argue with. You didn't like the way Raggy/Reed were handled but I didn't say anything about that. If you post facts that are incorrect, because you're upset you weren't involved, I will correct them.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I'm offering my opinion on things that i was directly involved in

Yet appear to be getting grief for it
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You're only too happy to give other people grief.
In your eyes, the club never get anything completely right.
Critch never gets things absolutely right.
BST are always good for a shoeing.

Then you cry bollux or sulk if someone disagrees with you.
Grow up.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Talking to the police ha ha

What sort of protest movement talks to the police and tells them what they are doing

** hell man

How naive ...

Anyway this thread was set up to ask for opinions I'm giving mine from stuff i was directly involved in and I'm getting grief for it

Bizarre
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The talks weren't how and when it was going to be done, it was merely listening to the options they had at their disposal. They told us on the Tue/Wed they believed there would be a pitch invasion and told us what would happen if there was. The way the police delivered that message they were almost goading us to do it and it would be without consequence, it was all very bizarre but the way the O's spoke to police really riled them up to the point they were on the side of the protestors. Anyway at the meeting on the Thursday before JD1 it was decided that the 46th minute would be the best plan of attack as everyone was at ground level so the stewards wouldn't see it coming. No social media messages went out and people were told during the march that it would be the 46th minute. But I do believe you are right when you say about the fire alarms being set off and that wasn't done by the TK's. Whoever did that more than played their part in the plan being a success. I can't reply to other stuff being mentioned as my book doesn't arrive until Monday.

For those having a pop at Phil on here it has to be said he was at loads of protests, court cases and even helped rally 30 lads together to try and stop the Arsenal coach coming down Yeadon Way after it had got away from the lads trying to stop it in Preston. It was only because a copper spotted us all that he got on the radio and re-routed said coach. Otherwise me, Phil and others would have led down in front of it. He deserves respect not ridicule.
 
foggy said:
If you offer an opinion there's not much to argue with. You didn't like the way Raggy/Reed were handled but I didn't say anything about that. If you post facts that are incorrect, because you're upset you weren't involved, I will correct them.
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Look i was involved in loads of stuff thats in the book and I'm pointing out inaccuracies, surely you would want that feedback

Infact you have asked for it

As for Raggy and Afro thats my main beef, the way they are portrayed doesn't sit easy with me

It actually upsets me

They are both heros for what they did and the grief they caused the Oyston family the book makes them out to be a couple of idiots

They certainly are not and did more than most in the fight against the Oystons and were a thorn in the side for several years in this fight

Anyway I'm out on this now, too many clueless keyboard warrior cnuts around and i haven't got the time to answer every stupid post from people who simply were not there

Sharpey and Tim both have my number if you want a chat
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Look i was involved in loads of stuff thats in the book and I'm pointing out inaccuracies, surely you would want that feedback

Infact you have asked for it

As for Raggy and Afro thats my main beef, the way they are portrayed doesn't sit easy with me

It actually upsets me

They are both heros for what they did and the grief they caused the Oyston family the book makes them out to be a couple of idiots

They certainly are not and did more than most in the fight against the Oystons and were a thorn in the side for several years in this fight

Anyway I'm out on this now, too many clueless keyboard warrior cnuts around and i haven't got the time to answer every stupid post from people who simply were not there

Sharpey and Tim both have my number if you want a chat
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You've still not posted inaccuracies. You said I said the Derby protest was organised by the TKs. I didn't. You've not replied to this point yet, you said you skimread it so clearly didn't read that bit. Huddersfield was organised without you, I would suggest you get over it.

Raggy and Reed you're entitled to your opinion on. I expected that section to be contentious. But most of that stuff is from what Raggy told me himself. The judgement unfortunately speaks for itself. They went for it without the defence behind them, as we all ultimately found out. I respect them for what they did, but their cases were quite clearly in a different league to someone like Tim's or Paul's. I mean, Raggy literally challenged the Oystons to sue him and said he had proof of allegations, but he didn't. Not on record anyway. He absolutely accepts that
 
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Hertsseasider said:
Shame that this book is being discussed like this. Its a wonderful tale that we all played a part in. We should be celebrating that.
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Quite. The feedback so far has been a bit incredible to be honest. I know there's a lot of people who think we shouldn't be speaking about the Oystons anymore now the present and future look so rosy, so I hope this is a nice end to that chapter. Important to remember but important to look ahead too
 
First off, apologies to Phil, I’ve had a few beers and feeling tender. It’s probably not the best apology, but it is one.
Secondly, we’ve spent years saying someone should write our story, and now Foggy has we’re tearing it apart
, like we fought each other in the bad times.
Enjoy the book, we can update it in the future.
 
foggy said:
Quite. The feedback so far has been a bit incredible to be honest. I know there's a lot of people who think we shouldn't be speaking about the Oystons anymore now the present and future look so rosy, so I hope this is a nice end to that chapter. Important to remember but important to look ahead too
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If, for one moment, the comments on here make you doubt your work, I will find you and give you a slap.
What you have produced is a homage to the COLLECTIVE efforts of US ALL and for that you should not have to buy a pint in Blackpool, or, in my case London, ever again.
 
Hertsseasider said:
If, for one moment, the comments on here make you doubt your work, I will find you and give you a slap.
What you have produced is a homage to the COLLECTIVE efforts of US ALL and for that you should not have to buy a pint in Blackpool, or, in my case London, ever again.
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Very very kind Herts. Don't worry, I've never had to buy a pint in Blackpool anyway. It's always my dad's round 😉
 
Trammo said:
Did Scarecrow get a smack at Morecambe ? Never knew that. Ay up that's made my evening.😀
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No, around 200 Blackpool were drinking in the pub opposite the main entrance. When Owen came out with GO, everyone jumped the fence, one fan shouted in Owens face to stop suing fans and to sell up. When they got in the car people started smashing the car up. A police horse skidded and went over which was not nice to see. One arrest was made a few months later in the back of a police car in Lane Ends Car park, it was a fine and a section 5 for causing alarm and distress. When said fan asked what would happen to those who smashed the car up it was said they didn't have the evidence so providing said fan didn't grass anyone up and took the wrap that it would be brushed under the carpet. Also the copper told one of the O's to stop exaggerating about steel bars being used as it was a wind screen wiper. The whole thing was mentioned on a club statement one late Friday evening and it blamed TK.
 
foggy said:
You've still not posted inaccuracies. You said I said the Derby protest was organised by the TKs. I didn't. You've not replied to this point yet, you said you skimread it so clearly didn't read that bit. Huddersfield was organised without you, I would suggest you get over it.

Raggy and Reed you're entitled to your opinion on. I expected that section to be contentious. But most of that stuff is from what Raggy told me himself. The judgement unfortunately speaks for itself. They went for it without the defence behind them, as we all ultimately found out. I respect them for what they did, but their cases were quite clearly in a different league to someone like Tim's or Paul's. I mean, Raggy literally challenged the Oystons to sue him and said he had proof of allegations, but he didn't. Not on record anyway. He absolutely accepts that
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You need to do a bit more research regarding Hudds and i have no idea why the "get over it" comment

Maybe give Koudo another call if you won't take what i say

I will await the apology

But that can wait for another day as I've spent too long on this site now
 
I ain‘t read the book and probably won’t though I’m sure it’s very good ….but not sure why the author has started a thread for “feedback” when he just argues with the one person who just doesn’t tell him it’s a great book etc.

Im not sure you want any actual feedback other than “thanks, it’s a great book”

just my thoughts btw so anyone who wants to weigh into me feel free, I ain’t bothered. Went on every protest, Jez’s court case etc

Phil, I hate bullying and that’s what you’re getting on this thread albeit I know you won’t be bothered.

btw what way does the book portray Raggy and Afroman?…because I have a great deal of respect for both
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I ain‘t read the book and probably won’t though I’m sure it’s very good ….but not sure why the author has started a thread for “feedback” when he just argues with the one person who just doesn’t tell him it’s a great book etc.

Im not sure you want any actual feedback other than “thanks, it’s a great book”

just my thoughts btw so anyone who wants to weigh into me feel free, I ain’t bothered. Went on every protest, Jez’s court case etc

Phil, I hate bullying and that’s what you’re getting on this thread albeit I know you won’t be bothered.

btw what way does the book portray Raggy and Afroman?…because I have a great deal of respect for both
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It's a discussion thread, if someone wants to say something did or didn't happen I will talk about my sources where I can. Very happy to clear up where I can where someone might have a question about when/where etc. In this instance a poster wasn't aware of organisation and planning of a protest that happened in advance, so I filled him in. Whether he likes the book or not is up to him, just like everyone else. Lots of reporting is done behind the scenes so if anyone wants to discuss more in detail, I will happily help out where I can.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I ain‘t read the book and probably won’t though I’m sure it’s very good ….but not sure why the author has started a thread for “feedback” when he just argues with the one person who just doesn’t tell him it’s a great book etc.

Im not sure you want any actual feedback other than “thanks, it’s a great book”

just my thoughts btw so anyone who wants to weigh into me feel free, I ain’t bothered. Went on every protest, Jez’s court case etc

Phil, I hate bullying and that’s what you’re getting on this thread albeit I know you won’t be bothered.

btw what way does the book portray Raggy and Afroman?…because I have a great deal of respect for both
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From one if the biggest bullies on here, shame on you Bloodtangerine. Another gob like Phil who cant keep it shut.
 
foggy said:
It's a discussion thread, if someone wants to say something did or didn't happen I will talk about my sources where I can. Very happy to clear up where I can where someone might have a question about when/where etc. In this instance a poster wasn't aware of organisation and planning of a protest that happened in advance, so I filled him in. Whether he likes the book or not is up to him, just like everyone else. Lots of reporting is done behind the scenes so if anyone wants to discuss more in detail, I will happily help out where I can.
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Yes but you’re saying things like “get over it” and so forth…..that isn’t just “talking about sources” or “clearing things up“ Nathan…it’s being insulting and a bit provocative and you will admit that if you’re being truthful . I don’t want an argument with you full stop plus I know the way it goes on here and it will just be a load of people backing you against anyone who doesn’t simply say “it’s a great book”

I‘m just not sure why you started a thread on here for “feedback” to then be a little thin skinned….so Phil disagrees with a few things ….no big deal…. you’ve actually written a book, vast majority of people are excited to read it and enjoy it so let go a few comments that don’t unreservedly say it’s great read, just let them wash away….you don’t have to have 100% of people thinking it’s 100% accurate.

You’ve researched and written an actual book that 99.999% of people don’t do …..be proud, be happy….let a bit of feedback go without “answering“ it
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I ain‘t read the book and probably won’t though I’m sure it’s very good ….but not sure why the author has started a thread for “feedback” when he just argues with the one person who just doesn’t tell him it’s a great book etc.

Im not sure you want any actual feedback other than “thanks, it’s a great book”

just my thoughts btw so anyone who wants to weigh into me feel free, I ain’t bothered. Went on every protest, Jez’s court case etc

Phil, I hate bullying and that’s what you’re getting on this thread albeit I know you won’t be bothered.

btw what way does the book portray Raggy and Afroman?…because I have a great deal of respect for both
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That's a typical reply from you Blood. "Haven't read it" "Probably won't", "Bullying my mate", "Respect Afro & Raggy!"

Maybe, just maybe, this was a day Foggy was incredibly proud of but also nervous, the day of release, loads of supporters who have ordered it and are looking forward to receiving it and an author who wants to know what people think. WTF is wrong with that. Foggy isn't going to be averse to criticism or some negative comments but what Phil has gone on and on and on and on about, is not about criticism, it's his usual mean spirited, look at me, why isn't it about me bullshit he is so good at. He's not been bullied. He's made a fool of himself, which is a common occurrence, it was actually predictable. I mean going back in time with his pathetic so called shouting match with Ian Holloway, no one gave a shit, no one gives a shit. People on here are just sick of his negative diatribe and his persistent whinging. All it's done has spoilt or tried to spoil the release of a story of our history and a very important part of our history. Phil can think what he wants, but surely, if he thinks he has been misrepresented then he should take that up with Foggy off board, but no, it's all on here and it's all been replied to by Foggy and many others.

For someone who's never bothered about anything Blood you don't half give an impression of someone who is really bothered. But then this is deep rooted over the past 50 years, before the Oyston's you would never understand.

It's a message board, Phil has put his head above the parapet and so have you so prepare for some swipes. Bullying my arse!!

I haven't read it yet, I had lots of stuff Foggy could have put in the book, words and pictures but he hasn't. No one needs to make it about them, it's about an event in our football clubs history. It's called How not to run a football club, not; How Phil has been so hard done by it was all me, me, me, Bwah bwah bwah, even though that is a great name for a book!
 
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Bloodtangerine said:
Yes but you’re saying things like “get over it” and so forth…..that isn’t just “talking about sources” or “clearing things up“ Nathan…it’s being insulting and a bit provocative and you will admit that if you’re being truthful . I don’t want an argument with you full stop plus I know the way it goes on here and it will just be a load of people backing you against anyone who doesn’t simply say “it’s a great book”

I‘m just not sure why you started a thread on here for “feedback” to then be a little thin skinned….so Phil disagrees with a few things ….no big deal…. you’ve actually written a book, vast majority of people are excited to read it and enjoy it so let go a few comments that don’t unreservedly say it’s great read, just let them wash away….you don’t have to have 100% of people thinking it’s 100% accurate.

You’ve researched and written an actual book that 99.999% of people don’t do …..be proud, be happy….let a bit of feedback go without “answering“ it
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That's a much much better reply than your first comments, can't really argue with any of that. Although I don't see why you wouldn't want feedback from a book that has been hugely anticipated. There is criticism and then there is just plain bull shit
 
I think there's two things here. One is that the book covers so much ground that there is bound to be people and perspectives not included or things told from perspectives that are different from other perspectives that exist. You can't capture something as long running and emotive as what happens over the course of the book in it's entirety in 250 pages.

Two, it captures what is a hugely complex thing in a way that I think anyone could read, regardless of who they support.

I think it lives up to it's title. It conveys 'how not to run a football club' and it's a very good piece of writing. It manages to be crisp and concise as well as detailed. It could easily have gone under from the weight of minutiae but it doesn't.

I can't and never would claim to have done owt else other than stop going, chucked a few quid into crowd funding and stood about a bit outside the ground a few times, so I don't have the perspective that others do who were directly involved, but to me, the last 6 hours flew by as I read it.

It brought back the sense of what the club was like and told me some stuff I didn't know.

I thought it was excellent.
 
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