Policing on a Saturday - roads and that

My lad lives near the Bloomfield and has to get ready for work after the game looks like he's a bloody route march to get home.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness they’re on somewhat of a hiding to nothing really.

For me people are just picking fault for the sake of it. It’s a piss easy plan to understand, the police have gone to every effort across a range of social media platforms to ensure fans are well informed….

They do have to deal with a significant (let’s be honest about it) number of fans who are after bother…

What do people want them to do exactly?
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The key is really the execution of the plan. Last year was terrible. There were a whole range of really quite shocking mistakes. They didn't report the arrival of the PNE coaches in Blackpool so they arrived unexpectedly and that was chaotic. They funnelled fans away from the ground but together on back streets, but didn't anticipate that so whilst Bloomfield was calm, all help broke loose where there were no coppers, but anyone going east was right in the midst of it. They were too busy arguing with confused home fans about a plan they hadn't communicated to deal with the actual kick offs.

If they can actually resource the plan (i.e. don't have every copper in one place right outside the ground and no one where the inevitable trouble is) it will be acceptable.

As you say, the communication is at least better.
 
td53 said:
The key is really the execution of the plan. Last year was terrible. There were a whole range of really quite shocking mistakes. They didn't report the arrival of the PNE coaches in Blackpool so they arrived unexpectedly and that was chaotic. They funnelled fans away from the ground but together on back streets, but didn't anticipate that so whilst Bloomfield was calm, all help broke loose where there were no coppers, but anyone going east was right in the midst of it. They were too busy arguing with confused home fans about a plan they hadn't communicated to deal with the actual kick offs.

If they can actually resource the plan (i.e. don't have every copper in one place right outside the ground and no one where the inevitable trouble is) it will be acceptable.

As you say, the communication is at least better.
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They’ve listened, they’re trying, hopefully lessons have been learned. It might be an absolute fuck up, but so far they’re doing the right things.
td53 said:
I have to admit, I have no idea what the arrows mean... 🤣
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Surely it’s obvious?

They’re just showing the different routes our fans can take to access different areas of the ground and how to bypass the closed off area.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They’ve listened, they’re trying, hopefully lessons have been learned. It might be an absolute fuck up, but so far they’re doing the right things.

Surely it’s obvious?

They’re just showing the different routes our fans can take to access different areas of the ground and how to bypass the closed off area.
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Why are some one way and some two way though? That's what I'm not understanding.
 
td53 said:
Why are some one way and some two way though? That's what I'm not understanding.
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There’s just one ‘two-way’ one and it’s just showing that you can go one way if you’re going to the North End and the other way to the South end …. Come on ffs a four year old could work out that plan…

I know it sort of suits the general ‘agenda’ to make fun of them, but Deary Me, you’re stretching a point 😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There’s just one ‘two-way’ one and it’s just showing that you can go one way if you’re going to the North End and the other way to the South end …. Come on ffs a four year old could work out that plan…

I know it sort of suits the general ‘agenda’ to make fun of them, but Deary Me, you’re stretching a point 😂
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I'm not. I was just confused. We don't all have your sharpness of wit and general ability!!!
 
td53 said:
I'm not. I was just confused. We don't all have your sharpness of wit and general ability!!!
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I’m not sure it requires much sharpness of wit ffs..

Anyway, let’s hope it all works as planned…

By the sounds of it though they might have to employ personal carers / guides to ensure each of our fans can manage to negotiate their way through the complex maze.
 
20togo said:
bfc3 being contrary mary again. Keep the nobbers in for 20 minutes. Allow bfc fans to disperse as normal. Allow nobbers out under supervision. Perhaps different rules apply to what happened at Deepdale.
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You can’t keep them in for 20 minutes BEFORE the game though can you. Obviously fans need to be able to queue to get through the turnstiles…

And after the game they still need a sterile area to get their fans away on the coaches.

Bunch of moaning Minnie’s our fans…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You can’t keep them in for 20 minutes BEFORE the game though can you. Obviously fans need to be able to queue to get through the turnstiles…

And after the game they still need a sterile area to get their fans away on the coaches.

Bunch of moaning Minnie’s our fans…
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I haven't mentioned vefore the game have I as you can't control fans making their own way to the ground at variable times. What you can control is ALL the fans leaving the ground after the game. They kept our fans in after the game at Deepdale yet somehow they think there's no need to do it for their fans at BR,

Like i said you love to be contrary mary.
 
20togo said:
I haven't mentioned vefore the game have I as you can't control fans making their own way to the ground at variable times. What you can control is ALL the fans leaving the ground after the game. They kept our fans in after the game at Deepdale yet somehow they think there's no need to do it for their fans at BR,

Like i said you love to be contrary mary.
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I take it you haven’t bothered to read or listen to the Police updates, before levelling this criticism at me?
 
20togo said:
I haven't mentioned vefore the game have I as you can't control fans making their own way to the ground at variable times. What you can control is ALL the fans leaving the ground after the game. They kept our fans in after the game at Deepdale yet somehow they think there's no need to do it for their fans at BR,

Like i said you love to be contrary mary.
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This really is the obvious solution. Let most people disperse and then let the smaller number disperse shortly afterwards. You would then be left only with people who probably wanted a scrap looking for each other and you could then police that, instead of trying to police people who don't want a scrap and people who do want a scrap at the same time in a giant maze with BFC*3 in the middle of it shouting 'fools! the lot of you! It's left, left, right, left, right, left right, not right left, right, right left! Have you the brain of an amoeba?' at anyone who is slightly dawdling at a junction unsure of the best direction to turn.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You can’t keep them in for 20 minutes BEFORE the game though can you. Obviously fans need to be able to queue to get through the turnstiles…

And after the game they still need a sterile area to get their fans away on the coaches.

Bunch of moaning Minnie’s our fans…
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You were moaning cos people enjoyed Sheff Utd and you love to moan about moaning. 😜😜😜
 
Does the blue dot on the map indicate where the Brett Ormerod money is buried?

Will those big Tangerine arrows be painted on the roads to 'help' fans on the day?

Laughable planning tbh.
 
Limechase said:
When I get the £65k that the head plod gets pa, then I'll tell them...


Piss easy, keep away fans in for 15mins...
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Another one who hasn’t paid attention…

And clearly it’s not that ‘Piss Easy’ bearing in mind what actually happened at knob end last year.😉
 
Curryman said:
So, I'm hopefully arriving at North Station circa 11.15 giving me time to walk to the ground. just hoping there are no leaves on the line and the trains are running again between Hebden Bridge and Blackburn. Should I divert via Chapel Street and onto Seasiders way to get to and from the ground?
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Would be best or onto lytham rd
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I take it you haven’t bothered to read or listen to the Police updates, before levelling this criticism at me?
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so have the police said they are keeping the pne fans in after the game? It's you who is being contrary mary. You asked what do you want them [police] to do exactly? Keep the away fans in is the answer. It's not about what they are communicating that the plan is, it's about keeping fans separate on the day. And the best way to do that is by keeping their fans in until the bulk of the general fan home base have dispersed.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness they’re on somewhat of a hiding to nothing really.

For me people are just picking fault for the sake of it. It’s a piss easy plan to understand, the police have gone to every effort across a range of social media platforms to ensure fans are well informed….

They do have to deal with a significant (let’s be honest about it) number of fans who are after bother…

What do people want them to do exactly?
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This is numerically a small gathering, & plod has years of experience of crowd control what works & what does not, again local plod (management not the poor sods having to follow misguided orders) have shown piss poor implementation in recent past. Its not a lot to ask, but the average football fan will be treated disrespectfully & like cattle... It doesn't have to be like that...
 
20togo said:
so have the police said they are keeping the pne fans in after the game? It's you who is being contrary mary. You asked what do you want them [police] to do exactly? Keep the away fans in is the answer. It's not about what they are communicating that the plan is, it's about keeping fans separate on the day. And the best way to do that is by keeping their fans in until the bulk of the general fan home base have dispersed.
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Well if you’d takes time to listen to the short videos produced by the Silver Commander on Twitter, before gobbing off at me, you’d know the answer to your first question 😉

I was saying that I thought the advanced communication from the Police was very positive and that the plans provided were easy to understand and made sense.

Again if you’d checked, the communication from the Club, mainly refers to ‘getting in’ to the game and is aimed at giving home fans advanced instruction of the routes they can / can’t take. (This is also explained in the series of short videos).

As for what will happen after the game… Well, I’m not going to help you there 20’s… I suggest you take some time to research the subject matter that you are gobbing off about 👍
 
After reading this thread I still have no idea what's happening after the game. Me and my lad are supposed to be going in the arcade club next door after the game, does this mean we have to walk all around the stadium from the south west to the east or is it a free for all?
 
Limechase said:
This is numerically a small gathering, & plod has years of experience of crowd control what works & what does not, again local plod (management not the poor sods having to follow misguided orders) have shown piss poor implementation in recent past. Its not a lot to ask, but the average football fan will be treated disrespectfully & like cattle... It doesn't have to be like that...
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What the fuck has any of that got to do with anything?

What has happened so far this year?

1. The Police have taken time ‘in advance’ to consult with all relevant parties (club, supporters groups etc..)

2. The Police have provided clear instructions for home & away supporters, regarding planned routes in advance and via a range of different media.

3. The Silver Commander has made a series of short personal videos to explain the planning and answer common questions.

So up to this point at least they are treating the public with respect and making sure people are well informed with regard to plans.

Despite what people say, there would be an almighty kick off, if this match were not well policed.

I’m prepared to say ‘So Far So Good’….👍

I’m not commenting on what might or might not happen on the day… I’ll save that for after it has actually happened.
 
What group of Supporters did they consult, was it the BFC Under 5s Drawing and Colouring In class?

"Hello Children, today we want you to draw a picture of a boat on stilts, and the best one is the one we will use to stop it going off against PNE"
 
The police issued a statement immediately after the home game last season that the operation went well. It was only later they realised they'd realised they made a complete balls up of it.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What the fuck has any of that got to do with anything?

What has happened so far this year?

1. The Police have taken time ‘in advance’ to consult with all relevant parties (club, supporters groups etc..)

2. The Police have provided clear instructions for home & away supporters, regarding planned routes in advance and via a range of different media.

3. The Silver Commander has made a series of short personal videos to explain the planning and answer common questions.

So up to this point at least they are treating the public with respect and making sure people are well informed with regard to plans.

Despite what people say, there would be an almighty kick off, if this match were not well policed.

I’m prepared to say ‘So Far So Good’….👍

I’m not commenting on what might or might not happen on the day… I’ll save that for after it has actually happened.
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Most of last season week after week they did the same thing by letting the away supporters out of the south east gate into bloomfield Road, did they learn? Total cluster fuck week after week, so excuse me if I'm being sceptical, if some big silver back thinks he knows how to do it now, thank fuck, he's failed enough times

But thank you for communicating its a start...

Now Where's my bike that got nicked off squire's Gate retail park!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Well if you’d takes time to listen to the short videos produced by the Silver Commander on Twitter, before gobbing off at me, you’d know the answer to your first question 😉

I was saying that I thought the advanced communication from the Police was very positive and that the plans provided were easy to understand and made sense.

Again if you’d checked, the communication from the Club, mainly refers to ‘getting in’ to the game and is aimed at giving home fans advanced instruction of the routes they can / can’t take. (This is also explained in the series of short videos).

As for what will happen after the game… Well, I’m not going to help you there 20’s… I suggest you take some time to research the subject matter that you are gobbing off about 👍
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Not me who is being a contrary mary. Read the thread. I suggest you listen to the REAL concerns of the fans before gobbing off on here. Concerns that clearly haven't been addressed! Read TAM's post.
 
Farce of an operation again. What's the difference in having your human rights infringed by being penned/ shepherded by the police after the game outside, or keeping everyone safe by keeping them in for ten minutes after the full-time whistle?

And since when did this fixture suddenly become the worst one in the leagues for trouble? Overblown nonsense.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Yet again a complex solution that significantly inconveniences the majority and which will inevitably create flashpoints is devised when we have a simple solution staring everyone in the face that's tried and tested over decades
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Yet they’ve been very clear as to

a) that holding back PNE fans is an ‘option’ that is under consideration

b) communicating that a sterile area is required to ensure safe egress of Away Fans regardless

At the end of the day mate, they have to get knobbers into the ground as well as out of it and so they do need to cordon off an area (otherwise we’d just have a massive brawl)

It seems pretty clear to me (listening to the Silver Commander) that they are likely to hold knobber fans back… That said, they still require a sterile area (and frankly I 100% agree that they do)

It’s hardly a ‘complex solution’ either… They’ve cordoned off a small area of Bloomfield Road and people just need to do a small detour … It’s about as simple as you get..

In fact Simple Simon from Simpletonshire could grasp it with ease.
 
20togo said:
Not me who is being a contrary mary. Read the thread. I suggest you listen to the REAL concerns of the fans before gobbing off on here. Concerns that clearly haven't been addressed! Read TAM's post.
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Ill informed bollocks from TAM on this I’m afraid…

People like you are allowing past prejudices to colour their reactions, rather than actually judging the situation on face value.
 
If Lancs police can’t manage a crowd of 13k then they’re not fit for purpose

Hope for everyone’s sake they do a better job than last year .

And allowing pne fans to arrive before kick off would be a good start !
 
The Silver Commander makes it sound like the Cybermen will be doing the policing on Saturday. To be fair, they wouldn't get caught up in the emotion of the day...

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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yet they’ve been very clear as to

a) that holding back PNE fans is an ‘option’ that is under consideration

b) communicating that a sterile area is required to ensure safe egress of Away Fans regardless

At the end of the day mate, they have to get knobbers into the ground as well as out of it and so they do need to cordon off an area (otherwise we’d just have a massive brawl)

It seems pretty clear to me (listening to the Silver Commander) that they are likely to hold knobber fans back… That said, they still require a sterile area (and frankly I 100% agree that they do)

It’s hardly a ‘complex solution’ either… They’ve cordoned off a small area of Bloomfield Road and people just need to do a small detour … It’s about as simple as you get..

In fact Simple Simon from Simpletonshire could grasp it with ease.
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When you have to create a series of explanatory videos and a map to try to explain the plan it's creating a complex solution

A vast majority attending won't see these videos / the map and most want to go inland from the ground that involves significant detours with the NE gate being closed and a section of Bloomfield Road closed off

Egressing everyone at the same time with sections of Bloomfield Road closed will create problems in my view when if there is a 10-15 min delay for the away fans the vast majority of home fans will be clear of the immediate vicinity
 
How are the Knobbers getting to their away end from the Manchester?

Can’t see that on the flow chart…

Presume it’s police escort in past the West or North?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
When you have to create a series of explanatory videos and a map to try to explain the plan it's creating a complex solution

A vast majority attending won't see these videos / the map and most want to go inland from the ground that involves significant detours with the NE gate being closed and a section of Bloomfield Road closed off

Egressing everyone at the same time with sections of Bloomfield Road closed will create problems in my view when if there is a 10-15 min delay for the away fans the vast majority of home fans will be clear of the immediate vicinity
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No it’s not at all mate…

The map is just there to ‘help’ people and give a simple visual guide. It’s being done in advance to allow people who can be arsed interacting with Facebook, Twitter, Hull Match Programme, Club Email or AVFTT & the Gazette advance warning so they can plan parking etc…

For those that don’t see it, the routes are very straightforward.

We saw the mayhem that ensued at knob end last year and that was with them keeping fans back for 15-20 minutes and so there is no way that they could not have a sterile area.

It may be popular to have a pop at them, but this fixture is a potential powder keg. It needs policing properly and with big numbers (that’s the reality) and given the set up / facilities at BR, this is a reasonable and very sensible solution that has been well communicated.

At some point the knobbers have got to come out…So why the fuck would they want to introduce Blackpool Fans into that area beforehand?

And I’ll repeat …

If you actually take some time to listen to the commander… It seems very much like holding their fans back is in the cards.
 
I get that but surely allowing for a delay allows 80% or more to clear the area

Yes you'll have the usual idiots looking for a confrontation but the exclusion zone could be created once the majority are clear

An on the explanation I would be surprised if more than 5% of attendees will view the videos and of those no more than half will digest what's being said
 
All this talk about human rights?

It should be headlines in all the papers that human life has been found in Preston 🤪
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I get that but surely allowing for a delay allows 80% or more to clear the area

Yes you'll have the usual idiots looking for a confrontation but the exclusion zone could be created once the majority are clear

An on the explanation I would be surprised if more than 5% of attendees will view the videos and of those no more than half will digest what's being said
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They’re allowing for a delay… it’s part of their plans

Obviously they need operational / strategic flexibility…and therefore need the sterile area regardless.

What would happen for example, if they ended up with a crush situation inside the ground, during the lock back and needed to release fans to prevent ?

There’s literally no other option and to slag them for engaging and communicating well is pathetic. It’s exactly what we wanted and something we ought to be supportive of rather than taking the piss out of.
 
Adams Kebab said:
How are the Knobbers getting to their away end from the Manchester?

Can’t see that on the flow chart…

Presume it’s police escort in past the West or North?
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And how are they getting from South Station to the pub will it be a time machine with Doc Brown
 
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