Do we deserve to be where we are ?

AllOrNothing said:
Yes we do, the players are simply not good enough, doesn’t matter who’s in charge. The fact that we have a squad full of players not good enough is down to the board
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I agree that the player aren’t good enough for this division, however majority of these players are the same as last year that Critch got a tune out of… for the majority of last season. You have to then question the coaching, training, tactics etc.

How many hamstring injuries did we get under Critch? Not saying Critch is god, but based on the OP question, it is a good comparison to use.
 
Quite frankly we can have no complaints if we go down. Yes our injury record is horrendous, but that again is somewhat the clubs own making do to substandard training facilities. I also feel that as we’re are having to play in 6th fear every game just to try and compete this contributes to likelihood of injuries.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I keep hearing people saying that we are too good to go down, but the reality is we’re not
Does anyone really think we should any better placed than we are ?
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I don't think anyone thinks we're too good to go down, but we might be lucky enough for there to be 3 worse teams.

It's been obvious since before the Wigan game that we were deep in a relegation battle not helped by inept formations, and players injured through over training as much as anything.

By all accounts, Appleton's training consisted of lots of running, rather than sessions on keeping the ball and formation.

McCarthy was on a hiding to nothing taking over a squad cut to the bone, totally bereft of confidence.

I think we can stay up through home form and we as fans can get them over the line with unstinting support throughout. Going to the game and booing, tutting and generally complaining won't help anyone.
 
Writing was on the wall at the end of last season with the defeats by relegated Derby and Peterborough.
Critchley saw that and buggered off at the first opportunity, then we got two crap Managerial appointments in Appleton and the Dinosaur.
We're fucked at the moment, Mansford has to go, we need a miracle to be in the top half of Division 3 next season.
 
ParkerStraysOffside said:
Quite frankly we can have no complaints if we go down. Yes our injury record is horrendous, but that again is somewhat the clubs own making do to substandard training facilities. I also feel that as we’re are having to play in 6th gear every game just to try and compete this contributes to likelihood of injuries.
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I think that's a fair point.
 
Yes we deserve to be where we are…because we can can barely win one game of football all season in a convincing fashion, and for the complacency in our summer transfer dealings which set the stage for this debacle of a season.
 
yes we deserve to be where we are because we are not a good TEAM. Individually, I don't think we are too bad and if there was some sort of structure to how we play then we could have survived. McCarthy has come in and generally his football has been extremely negative with little structure to it. Structure is not about just hoofing the ball forward and then hoping it breaks for you to create a chance. It's about composure on the ball, it's about being able to pass to our own players and then movement into space. And that starts at the back. Prior to that, Appleton fared little better if at all. His team selections were bizarre.

So a lack of structure is I feel a major reason why this team has failed. You can't really fault the players for effort and commitment but anyone of us watching should be able to see there is really no method or whatever you want to call it as to how we play. And hoof ball is not a method.
 
Levi501 said:
Can’t say I’ve heard anyone say we’re too good to go down, bit of an old cliche that one tbh. I do know there’s half a dozen teams as bad as us, and this Championship survival is still in our own hands.
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There’s a good few on here who keep saying we won’t go down I wonder if they’ll be saying it with 2 games to go and 7 points adrift.

League table doesn’t lie we are we’re we are for a reason.
 
SeasideSid said:
I agree that the player aren’t good enough for this division, however majority of these players are the same as last year that Critch got a tune out of… for the majority of last season. You have to then question the coaching, training, tactics etc.

How many hamstring injuries did we get under Critch? Not saying Critch is god, but based on the OP question, it is a good comparison to use.
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Another comparison to pull was the squad that took us to the premier league. Were they good enough to take us up? No, they weren’t.

But because of a good manager, tactics and everything that came with it from belief and mentality it took us there.

The right coach, mentality, tactics etc would have kept us up. I’m sure of it. On paper the players we have are capable to survive in this league. From day one Appleton was negative. That mentality has rubbed off onto the players. The long run of consistent defeats has taken all confidence from them, and that’s why we are where we are.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
There’s a good few on here who keep saying we won’t go down I wonder if they’ll be saying it with 2 games to go and 7 points adrift.

League table doesn’t lie we are we’re we are for a reason.
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But we’re not in that position yet, of course we’re in a relegation battle but while there are games left and as I’ve said equally bad teams around us, it ain’t inevitable we’re down.
 
Levi501 said:
But we’re not in that position yet, of course we’re in a relegation battle but while there are games left and as I’ve said equally bad teams around us, it ain’t inevitable we’re down.
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It might not be inevitable just yet but with every passing game we end up pointless it’s looking more likely.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It might not be inevitable just yet but with every passing game we end up pointless it’s looking more likely.
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Obviously I know where you’re coming from, but after 60 odd years of supporting the Pool I like to stay positive to the very last, until it’s mathematically impossible to stay up, there I’ve said it again.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I keep hearing people saying that we are too good to go down, but the reality is we’re not
Does anyone really think we should any better placed than we are ?
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Depends what you mean really. Is there a scenario whereby we manage this season better on the same budget.

Yes.

Is the squad now, as it is at this moment any good.

No.

It just doesn't make sense. We've tried all the formations and combinations in the world and the results are the same. We've got some good players but the combinations of water carriers and flair players, big lads/little lads passers/tacklers etc is all wrong.
 
It would be so us to beat Burnley though and then make us all believe again and prolong this agony further.
 
Seasidestevo71 said:
I can’t remember watching a Blackpool team so lacking in ideas, able to pass and string a move together.
It’s like they panic when they get the ball and rush to make a pass, which currently is 75% to no where
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It's confidence. They were really good against Cov away, we battered PNE, the twenty minute spell against them where we took the game from them was class. We tore into Burnley and terrified them. We beat QPR when they red hot, we really should have had 3 points at Sheffield Utd, we looked comfortable until Marv had a mad one and so on and so forth. We matched Norwich and were unlucky.

Even Wigan away, we looked to be cruising until the red card...

It's just confidence. They're shot. They're not trusting themselves or each other.

It's sad.

There's some players in that team who've given me some of the best moments I've had as a football supporter and I don't want to remember them for this shitshow as it is.
 
td53 said:
It's confidence. They were really good against Cov away, we battered PNE, the twenty minute spell against them where we took the game from them was class. We tore into Burnley and terrified them. We beat QPR when they red hot, we really should have had 3 points at Sheffield Utd, we looked comfortable until Marv had a mad one and so on and so forth. We matched Norwich and we're unlucky.

Even Wigan away, we looked to be cruising until the red card...

It's just confidence. They're shot. They're not trusting themselves or each other.

It's sad.

There's some players in that team who've given me some of the best moments I've had as a football supporter and I don't want to remember them for this shitshow as it is.
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What do you know from inside the boardroom with your connections or are you keeping stuff close to your chest. For TAM replied to wrong poster.
 
td53 said:
It would be so us to beat Burnley though and then make us all believe again and prolong this agony further.
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That’s what we used to do. I just don’t recognise BFC anymore so we will almost certainly be on the end of an embarrassing spanking
 
ParkerStraysOffside said:
Quite frankly we can have no complaints if we go down. Yes our injury record is horrendous, but that again is somewhat the clubs own making do to substandard training facilities. I also feel that as we’re are having to play in 6th fear every game just to try and compete this contributes to likelihood of injuries.
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Seriously???? Training ground ??? Wow
 
I actually believe the attacking players we’ve had since January are much better than they’re being allowed to show. So I believe we should be doing better, I’d say bottom 8 rather than bottom 3.
Also my player of last season was Marv, he’s been nowhere near the same standard this. Loans like Sterling and Wintle haven’t been replaced position for position by the same standard.
But most importantly the managers have been negative. I thought Appleton got a raw deal to a certain extent, and there were probably 5 or so really good performances up to the Coventry game where you see some semblance of structure and a style of play. But there were also bizarre selections. The new guy is just hopeless and deluded, I can’t be bothered talking about him.
For us to succeed at this level we need an inspirational manager who makes the players believe they’re better than they are, and create a team better than the sum of its parts. Neither manager has got anywhere near that.
It will always be difficult with our budget at this level, and I’ll never be one calling for SS to indefinitely sustain the club to unreasonable levels. But it just didn’t have to be like this
 
Qblock said:
I actually believe the attacking players we’ve had since January are much better than they’re being allowed to show. So I believe we should be doing better, I’d say bottom 8 rather than bottom 3.
Also my player of last season was Marv, he’s been nowhere near the same standard this. Loans like Sterling and Wintle haven’t been replaced position for position by the same standard.
But most importantly the managers have been negative. I thought Appleton got a raw deal to a certain extent, and there were probably 5 or so really good performances up to the Coventry game where you see some semblance of structure and a style of play. But there were also bizarre selections. The new guy is just hopeless and deluded, I can’t be bothered talking about him.
For us to succeed at this level we need an inspirational manager who makes the players believe they’re better than they are, and create a team better than the sum of its parts. Neither manager has got anywhere near that.
It will always be difficult with our budget at this level, and I’ll never be one calling for SS to indefinitely sustain the club to unreasonable levels. But it just didn’t have to be like this
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Good post.

I dunno if Mick's clueless or the appointment was just misguided. It's like appointing a pizza chef then telling him he's got the ingredients to make a curry.

I agree with a lot of that but I think the key is this - Marv is exposed by a lack of defensive shield in midfield and the flair players are equally undermined by the inability of us to win or retain the ball in midfield.

Trybull was, I think, the broken answer to the obvious problem as was Bridcutt.

It's frustrating as fuck that we're both not that far off and yet way of it.
 
We go into every game with the worst midfield in the division so inevitably we will find our natural place in the table-probably bottom. I say that as someone who is inherently positive about all things tangerine.
 
Hadley said:
We go into every game with the worst midfield in the division so inevitably we will find our natural place in the table-probably bottom. I say that as someone who is inherently positive about all things tangerine.
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Each player in the midfield is not a bad player. It's the combination that is horrible.
 
If you look at our squad you can see exactly why we are where we are, we haven’t signed hardly anyone a players being out so long means the recruitment is the cause, it was inevitable. We are a Championship club being run like a mid table league 1 club
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I keep hearing people saying that we are too good to go down, but the reality is we’re not
Does anyone really think we should any better placed than we are ?
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Nope. Poor recruitment in terms of Appleton. It started there, he was never good enough, never a Championship manager, then the "we've got a bigger budget" malarkey. Where? I've not seen the bigger (playing) budget anyway.

We lost our manager early on in pre-season and that was a proper kick in the balls, the board have been playing catch-up ever since but the recruitment and injuries (I know they can't be helped but there's something clearly going wrong) have been poor.
 
It was going wrong before Appleton, the wheels were coming off in January last season and I don’t think Quitchley would have given up the amazing opportunity he had at our club unless there was something wrong. I don’t think he would have stayed even if Gerrard hadn’t come calling.

A fish rots from the head down.
 
hertfordseasider said:
It was going wrong before Appleton, the wheels were coming off in January last season and I don’t think Quitchley would have given up the amazing opportunity he had at our club unless there was something wrong. I don’t think he would have stayed even if Gerrard hadn’t come calling.

A fish rots from the head down.
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I'm with you a bit on this. I don't think everything was/is rosey at the club and NC jumped at the chance to escape it, he knew it would be a struggle playing with a slashed budget.
 
Yeah , there was a period of time when the Sheff U and Burnley away games were fresher in the memory where I thought we were much better than our position, still think the team is capable, but I can't see us recapturing the zeitgeist now.
 
For the division we are in it's a shockingly poor squad of players bolstered by well below average loanees that have been managed by 2 atrocious managers.

You reap what you sow. Our magnificent support deserves much better.
 
This team is nearly as bad as the team that went down in 2015.
When high flying Bournemouth came to town they put 6 past us.
I just hope we don’t have a repeat next Saturday.
Even the recently struggling teams like Huddersfield, Rotherham and Stoke have looked better teams.
We were lucky in all 3 games to come away with something.

As mentioned,we were starting to struggle towards the end of last season.
 
Recruitment has been disastrous where permanent players are concerned. However, you'll struggle to find a better front four in this division than Rodgers, Poveda, Bowler and Yates. Its what's behind them, and the fact they've rarely (ever?) played together that's the problem.
 
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