I guess unless Nike added a white background it was never going to be a St George's flag, it would have just been a red cross on a blue collar. I don't like it though, it's a poor decision by both Nike and the FA, which is a shame because it's one of the nicer England shirts and by far the best one Nike have produced.
Plenty of snide ones on the way as we speak £30!
A playful update according to the Americans.....
I noticed, as did others.
You seemed to notice after it became a news story mind...
It’s disgraceful but someone in the FA must have agreed the Nike shirt design
Don’t do snide ones lol
that's how things work though. Something gets noticed and then it starts to get commented on. Fact of the matter is that the flag of England is red and white. And that is what it should be. Every other countries fans would be outraged if their flag changed colour. How about putting orange stripes on the Irish tricolour? They just wouldn't do it and they shouldn't mess with our flag either.
You would if I bought you it.
So well said. Sadly it seems a lot of people fall for this crap and actually start to believe it’s important. Populism at its most cynical, Starmer and now Sunak trying to win voters over based on faux outrage at a design on a football shirt.
i notice you don't refer to colour colour change when talking about these changes over the years. Why is that? Is it because that the flag of England is a red cross on a white background. It's not anything else. If you care to show us the England kit from previous years which shows the flag as being of different colour then please feel free to do so. To put it bluntly the flag on the kit is not the flag of England. It really is simple as that!
Careful, this kit from years ago will be cancelled too!
It's not "woke", it's just a bit naff and unpatriotic. The English flag has always been a red cross on a white field so just because it's an American corporate decision doesn't make it acceptable to add blue to it. Next thing, they'll be putting four lions (or three eagles) on it
see aprils reply to you. As for your montage, well at least four of them don't have the flag on AND I'm not sure what the top right is meant to be. Do you.seriously think the Scots would be happy if they put the St Andrews cross on their shirt in red and white? You know full well it would cause outrage and rightly so. Why? Because it is simply not the colours of their flag..
20s, you invited me to share examples where the flag has previously been put on an England shirt in a different colour so I did. I see you've skirted my question around whether or not you were equally as annoyed by the 2011 shirt as by this years? Where was the outrage then?
i honestly can't remember or recall the designs of previous shirts and the badges/flags/logos on them, But i would certainly have been unhappy and disagreed with it. Why? Because it is not the St Georges cross of the flag of England. As for the 2011 rear shirt, is the first flag shown the actual correct colours? And as for skirting round questions, well do you think the Scots would be happy with the St Andrews cross being red and white?
Thanks for the correction, 20s, but it really wasn't necessary.
what is benign and trivial to some isn't necessarily that for others.
Im sure the feckin Yanks would have enjoyed then a flag with Biden's faces on it instead of stars.
yep, ir's rather amusing isn't it? So many on here seem to have a disdain for the Yanks when they get involved in issues around the world but they seem to have no objection to them interfering with the cross of St George. Some on here clearly have no pride in their country. But i knew that well before now anyway.
Hasn't the designer said he's done it to reflect a culturally diverse modern England?
I've not read this thread in detail but yes, you are right about the flag of St. George. However, 'woke'? I don't know what that's got to do with the matter.Woke shirt. Is nothing sacred anymore ffs. Our flag of over 800 years is RED and WHITE
Not that I am aware though I'm happy to be corrected but I have just seen the FA statement that says the colours were chosen deliberately to take inspiration from the '66 training kit.
Firstly I can't abide the term 'woke' but no, I don't. As soon as I saw the colours, I noticed they appeared to match with the trim on the rest of the shirt and also similarly with the detailing on the away shirt.
rather than what the FA have said which was clearly made to down play the issue, how about reading what Nike have said. ie "it disrupts history with a modern take on a classic" and "a playful update intended to unite and inspire". So what "classic" is that exactly? Never ever considered that a training kit which i doubt many people even saw would ever be described as a "classic".
Not for the first time and like the EFL not fit for purpose
Come on, 20s, Nike meddling with our history? Really?
yep, if they are "disrupting" it they are meddling with it. Football wise of course. Like i said and you haven't acknowledged it, if it had been the St Andrews cross of Scotland which had been done in red and white then there would have been an outrage. Why? Because it would no longer be the Sr Andrews cross and therefore would not represent the Scottish people.
I did acknowledge it here where I gave a direct example of a kit manufacturer changing the colours of the Scottish flag on the Scotland kit a few years ago.
There is a difference between not noticing and not caring. Today is the first day I was made aware of it and I think it's ridiculous to have a multi-coloured England flag on our national kit. What's the reasoning behind this then?
No idea, it doesn't effect my life in any way whatsoever, it's a cross on a shirt.
