10 Goals Short or 10 Goals conceded too many?

7YearCritch

7YearCritch

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Interesting looking at the table that we're only 6 goals behind Portsmouth scored but have conceded 10 more whilst we're 14 goals behind Bolton but have conceded one less.

So going forward, what needs to improve more?
 
7YearCritch said:
Interesting looking at the table that we're only 6 goals behind Portsmouth scored but have conceded 10 more whilst we're 14 goals behind Bolton but have conceded one less.

So going forward, what needs to improve more?
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Haven't looked at the stats at all, but my thoughts are that we score goals in clusters. ie when we get 1, we can go on and get 3 or 4. And it's that that makes our goals total look reasonable. But when you've done that in so many games the consequence is that in other games you've failed to trouble the goals for column. Not sure how many "nil"'s we've had but would guess a fair few. Think on the whole our goals conceded is pretty reasonable for where we are.
 
I think we struggle if we don't score first, as sides just need to keep their defensive shape and wait for us to attack. Problem is we can't break sides down well enough (hence the view about the goals being scored in clusters) as they watch us play it around our back line in front of them.

We have conceded far too easily this season (my opinion only), so to answer the o/p I would say we've conceded 10 too many, especially with a coach who seemingly sets up not lose (unsuccessfully this season), certainly away from home
 
20togo said:
Haven't looked at the stats at all, but my thoughts are that we score goals in clusters. ie when we get 1, we can go on and get 3 or 4. And it's that that makes our goals total look reasonable. But when you've done that in so many games the consequence is that in other games you've failed to trouble the goals for column. Not sure how many "nil"'s we've had but would guess a fair few. Think on the whole our goals conceded is pretty reasonable for where we are.
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Agreed. When it's our day, we're fine. Pretty good. Decent. Sometimes excellent.

We need to learn what to do when it isn't and how to make it our day when it's not going our way because when it doesn't go our way from the off, we're often pretty pathetic and massively lack ideas.
 
Getting it right consistently at both ends of the pitch matters. You don't have to be fully Championship ready to get out of League One, that gap is widening, and you don't have to be the great entertainers. But you do have to be set ready to cope with a 46-game season and build a body of work where you put the ball in the net at one end and keep the stupidity to a minimum at the other.

If a moment sums up this season for me then it's 0-0 away at Leyton Orient and thinking OK we've got nothing up front tonight so shut the game down, don't overplay and underpass at the back looking for non-existent movement that isn't there due to the absolutely aimless slow rigid and pointless way we play at times and just take the 0-0 we start with.

And then of course Matt Pennington ends up in no mans land completely out of his comfort zone with his teammates in a different postcode, of course it's immediately 0-1 and of course we've then lost regardless of the amount of remaining time to do something about it. Because of course we never have a response in that repeated situation. Other than pre-set subs at pre-planned times and a like-for-like going through the motions where the opposition can get the pipe and slippers out and save their sweat.

So short story long, Portsmouth just don't do that sort of thing and that's why they lead the way. You can sneer at them, take the piss out of Colby Bishop and whatever else you like based on a two-game snapshot. But they followed up the 0-0 v us with a 2-1 home win against Burton and a 1-0 away win at Peterborough and haven't lost since January.
 
poolfc said:
Getting it right consistently at both ends of the pitch matters. You don't have to be fully Championship ready to get out of League One, that gap is widening, and you don't have to be the great entertainers. But you do have to be set ready to cope with a 46-game season and build a body of work where you put the ball in the net at one end and keep the stupidity to a minimum at the other.

If a moment sums up this season for me then it's 0-0 away at Leyton Orient and thinking OK we've got nothing up front tonight so shut the game down, don't overplay and underpass at the back looking for non-existent movement that isn't there due to the absolutely aimless slow rigid and pointless way we play at times and just take the 0-0 we start with.

And then of course Matt Pennington ends up in no mans land completely out of his comfort zone with his teammates in a different postcode, of course it's immediately 0-1 and of course we've then lost regardless of the amount of remaining time to do something about it. Because of course we never have a response in that repeated situation. Other than pre-set subs at pre-planned times and a like-for-like going through the motions where the opposition can get the pipe and slippers out and save their sweat.

So short story long, Portsmouth just don't do that sort of thing and that's why they lead the way. You can sneer at them, take the piss out of Colby Bishop and whatever else you like based on a two-game snapshot. But they followed up the 0-0 v us with a 2-1 home win against Burton and a 1-0 away win at Peterborough and haven't lost since January.
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great post.
 
Remember Holloway's dictum on joining the club. He said his first objective was to turn the -11 at the end of 2008/09 into +11 the following season. It sounds a simple enough aim but it encapsulates precisely what this thread is about: shut up shop at the back and play foward with the intention of scoring goals.
 
td53 said:
Agreed. When it's our day, we're fine. Pretty good. Decent. Sometimes excellent.

We need to learn what to do when it isn't and how to make it our day when it's not going our way because when it doesn't go our way from the off, we're often pretty pathetic and massively lack ideas.
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What you have said sums up what a manager is supposed to sort.

I know this team (best XI) isn't Cship standard but they are good enough for this league.
 
I'd agree with @20togo if we'd scored in all those 0-0's or 1-0 defeats then we'd now be knocking on the Play Off doors.
Our goals conceded aren't that bad in comparison with the Top 6.
 
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