A Britain to be Proud of?

catinstalbans said:
Child poverty costs £38 billion pounds per year according to a new report.

Child poverty now costs Britain £38bn a year, says new independent report | Poverty | The Guardian

Despite Conservative claims to have reduced childhood deprivation, the burden on taxpayers has soared over the past eight years
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Yet we are supposed to back the government regardless according to some posters.
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Maybe if we paid less attention to those invading our shores, that would help?
 
Nice to know you think cutting £20 a week of the poorest driving even more into poverty is something a country can be proud of.
 
catinstalbans said:
Nice to know you think cutting £20 a week of the poorest driving even more into poverty is something a country can be proud of.
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I’m 79 next month, I work full time to keep my wife and I just about ok, but it’s a struggle. That’s after I had a successful business and a net worth of £2 million pounds 15 years ago before it all went pear shaped.

I know plenty who are playing the system to get benefits, so forgive me if I don’t feel any sympathy. They should get off there arses and do some work.

Yes, I love my country.
 
Matesrates said:
I’m 79 next month, I work full time to keep my wife and I just about ok, but it’s a struggle. That’s after I had a successful business and a net worth of £2 million pounds 15 years ago before it all went pear shaped.

I know plenty who are playing the system to get benefits, so forgive me if I don’t feel any sympathy. They should get off there arses and do some work.

Yes, I love my country.
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So no sympathy for hungry and poverty stricken children then. Lovely!
 
There isn’t a perfect nation.

Compared to many we have an abundance of equality, humanity and human rights.

There is no utopia and it’s no surprise that one hasn’t developed or evolved over the centuries.

I’m glad the U.K. is my home nation, and appreciate my freedoms and opportunities.
And I’m a working class girl from a working class background.
 
Lala said:
There isn’t a perfect nation.

Compared to many we have an abundance of equality, humanity and human rights.

There is no utopia and it’s no surprise that one hasn’t developed or evolved over the centuries.

I’m glad the U.K. is my home nation, and appreciate my freedoms and opportunities.
And I’m a working class girl from a working class background.
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And compared to many we don't.
And we are sliding down the table thanks to the current conservative government that would rather tax the poorest than millionaires, is attacking human rights left, right and centre, is gerrymandering democracy and has spent the last two years corruptly handing out contracts to its mates. No one should be proud of that!
 
catinstalbans said:
And compared to many we don't.
And we are sliding down the table thanks to the current conservative government that would rather tax the poorest than millionaires, is attacking human rights left, right and centre, is gerrymandering democracy and has spent the last two years corruptly handing out contracts to its mates. No one should be proud of that!
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You’re talking about an opinion on the current government and we are all overly certain of and constantly bombarded with your opinion on that.

I’m responding to ‘a nation to be proud of’, and I am proud of our nation in so many ways. As I said, perfection doesn’t exist.
 
Cat if you just stopped & thought before posting, maybe.....just maybe, you would have more effect, than most of us just rolling our eyes and moving on.

This £20pw was an addition, the government gave EVERYONE on UC during lockdown.
The government haven't 'cut' UC, they said 2 months ago that September will be the last time it's added....

And as for living below the 'poverty' line.
Household typesMinimum Income Standard - Inner London (AHC), 2020Minimum Income Standard - Outer London (AHC), 2020UK poverty line - After Housing Costs, 2020Destitution, 2020
Single, working-age£276£253£141£70
Couple, working-age£379£408£244£105
Single, pensioner£212£188£141NA
Couple, pensioner£393£325£244NA
Lone parent, one child (aged one)£297£315£190£95
Couple with two children (aged three and seven)£514£532£346£145

So for a single person.....after housing which includes rates......IF you don't have £141 a week to spend.....you're in poverty
Figures for a lone parent on UC with 1 child is around £22,000 a year.....but you're still in poverty?

A 37.5hr a week job on NMW £8.91 works out at a taxable amount £16k and a take home of £14k (or £1160pm or £270pw)
A year on UC (averages out) at just over £14.5k (and could be higher).......BOTH are still in poverty

SO.....what do YOU suggest.....Increase UC & benefits so people are not in poverty.....so you make more money sitting on your bum at home watching loose women and doing cash in hand jobs and not bothering to go out and work as you earn more doing nothing?

You (as a teacher) should understand there are lots of definitions of poverty.....99% of people you mention......are living in relative poverty.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Cat if you just stopped & thought before posting, maybe.....just maybe, you would have more effect, than most of us just rolling our eyes and moving on.

This £20pw was an addition, the government gave EVERYONE on UC during lockdown.
The government haven't 'cut' UC, they said 2 months ago that September will be the last time it's added....

And as for living below the 'poverty' line.
Household typesMinimum Income Standard - Inner London (AHC), 2020Minimum Income Standard - Outer London (AHC), 2020UK poverty line - After Housing Costs, 2020Destitution, 2020
Single, working-age£276£253£141£70
Couple, working-age£379£408£244£105
Single, pensioner£212£188£141NA
Couple, pensioner£393£325£244NA
Lone parent, one child (aged one)£297£315£190£95
Couple with two children (aged three and seven)£514£532£346£145

So for a single person.....after housing which includes rates......IF you don't have £141 a week to spend.....you're in poverty
Figures for a lone parent on UC with 1 child is around £22,000 a year.....but you're still in poverty?

A 37.5hr a week job on NMW £8.91 works out at a taxable amount £16k and a take home of £14k (or £1160pm or £270pw)
A year on UC (averages out) at just over £14.5k (and could be higher).......BOTH are still in poverty

SO.....what do YOU suggest.....Increase UC & benefits so people are not in poverty.....so you make more money sitting on your bum at home watching loose women and doing cash in hand jobs and not bothering to go out and work as you earn more doing nothing?

You (as a teacher) should understand there are lots of definitions of poverty.....99% of people you mention......are living in relative poverty.
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This is the crux of it. Well done having the patience to explain because I hadn’t.

A local employer, paying a part time female single mum £11.00 an hour working in a launderette lost her services after a week because she was better off on Univeral Credit.

Work has to pay. Clearly it isn’t doing , even when small business’s are paying as much as they possibly can.
 
The UK is a rich country with poverty at heart.

On average, low-income families in the UK have £95 in savings.
We also have the worst state pension in the developed world.
There was also a record number of food parcels given to people in crisis in the past year at 2.5 million by the Trussell Trust.
89% of those that use Food Banks were born in the UK.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Fuck has posting Union Jacks or saying you love your country got to do with child poverty?

Weirdos.
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I think some of us are taking our lead from the title of the OP Lytham.

And we are entitled to be proud of our nation without being made to feel stupid or cruel.

The child poverty aspects have also been addressed to some degree.

Agree or disagree it doesn’t mean that someone who is proud of their nation is a weirdo.
 
Lala said:
I think some of us are taking our lead from the title of the OP Lytham.

And we are entitled to be proud of our nation without being made to feel stupid or cruel.

The child poverty aspects have also been addressed to some degree.

Agree or disagree it doesn’t mean that someone who is proud of their nation is a weirdo.
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It's weird when people constantly bring it up with no context to the actual debate.

** weirdos.
 
chai_ste said:
The UK is a rich country with poverty at heart.

On average, low-income families in the UK have £95 in savings.
We also have the worst state pension in the developed world.
There was also a record number of food parcels given to people in crisis in the past year at 2.5 million by the Trussell Trust.
89% of those that use Food Banks were born in the UK.
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My non working neighbours were passing me half of their unwanted and un needed food parcels, delivered for their children throughout the pandemic, and I work full time.

They have a car, I don’t , they spend inordinate amounts on weed per week, keep 17 animals and have never done a days work.

I’m doing a Mr Micawber working out if I can get a dog.
All true.
The blinkers are on both sides I feel.
 
Title of debate

A Britain to be proud of

That’s why some of us have clearly stated why we are proud of being British.

It’s pretty weird not to see the correlation between that and some of our responses.
 
Lala said:
It is in context to the debate, especially the title of the op.
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Nope, and this proves my point.

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Lala said:
You can hear me , but you haven’t listened.

I’ve addressed all sides of the debate.

You have merely called people weirdos.
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As an English man are you saying it's not my right to say this, surely that means you hate this country?
 
Interesting episode of Inside No 9 might be a watch for some.

Last night of the proms.
Excellent thought provoking tv 👍
Highlights hypocrisy at its best.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
On this very thread Cat said,

"So no sympathy for hungry and poverty stricken children then. Lovely!"


Now that's a weirdo.
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In response to a right wing poster who said he had no sympathy for them, and then said they should get off their backsides and do some work. I know that some Tories think banning children from going up chimneys or working in the mills was a namby pamby act of wokeness, but come on.
 
catinstalbans said:
In response to a right wing poster who said he had no sympathy for them, and then said they should get off their backsides and do some work. I know that some Tories think banning children from going up chimneys or working in the mills was a namby pamby act of wokeness, but come on.
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No, in response to Mates who said that people - NOT children - were playing the system and that they should get of their @rses.

I'm not interested in your nonsense Cat and I'm out but have a good evening.
 
Chunkylad said:
The really interesting juxtaposition is that we have high child poverty rates at the same time as morbid obesity.
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Ain’t it just 👍

Also intersting, for Malced in particular, the unwanted remnants of my neighbours children’s food parcels that they gave me almost always consisted of vegetables and ‘from scratch’ cooking ingredients 🤔

I didn’t get no mayonnaise 😏
 
The government's own figures estimate fraud in the benefits system at 3.9% in 2020-21.
I know the % figures won't match exactly with the numbers of individuals but the data strongly informs that those illegally taking advantage of the system is a very small minority. Yet so many want to demonise all benefit claimants on this basis because it suits right wing scapegoating to blame the poorest.
 
catinstalbans said:
The government's own figures estimate fraud in the benefits system at 3.9% in 2020-21.
I know the % figures won't match exactly with the numbers of individuals but the data strongly informs that those illegally taking advantage of the system is a very small minority. Yet so many want to demonise all benefit claimants on this basis because it suits right wing scapegoating to blame the poorest.
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Don’t trust the government’s figures Cat
 
catinstalbans said:
In response to a right wing poster who said he had no sympathy for them, and then said they should get off their backsides and do some work. I know that some Tories think banning children from going up chimneys or working in the mills was a namby pamby act of wokeness, but come on.
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Talk about twist someone’s word to suit your own agenda...
 
Newholland said:
Talk about twist someone’s word to suit your own agenda...
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Yes , the poster concerned stated he was 79 and still has to work. He can’t retire early on a fat Teacher’s or NHS pension. I don’t suppose Cat is bothered about Senior Citizen poverty having to survive on £179 a week
 
catinstalbans said:
In response to a right wing poster who said he had no sympathy for them, and then said they should get off their backsides and do some work. I know that some Tories think banning children from going up chimneys or working in the mills was a namby pamby act of wokeness, but come on.
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Nobody wants kids to go up chimneys again, ever. That’s just silly l.
 
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