catinstalbans
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The quote you have taken is out of context based on another poster saying he had no sympathy for those on benefits. Not really a surprise that you would try such a tactic though.
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Lala
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And giving away the vegetables they get in their food parcels.
In my actual experience.
catinstalbans
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Citing one of the worst pensions in the richest developed actually strengthens the argument that too many people live in poverty. NO ONE should be forced to live in poverty in this country.
Old_Laytonian
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But you never pensioners? I agree that the £20 uplift should still be in place
catinstalbans
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They are the ONS and likely to be more reliable than personal anecdotes. Otherwise you can never use any data to inform policy choices.
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Lala
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Many of your points are out of context. You don’t do context or balanced arguments and that’s why some people get frustrated and bored sick of your threads.
That’s an observation, it isnt meant to be nasty, just an observation.
But you have also shown yourself to be exceptionally narrow minded and nasty when it suits.
catinstalbans
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Because the op and the article posted is about the cost of child poverty.
Tangerinemoss
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I am proud of the UK, equating the UK with our current dysfunctional bunch of ex Eton pillocks in Government is wrong. The UK public, whilst prone to whinging and blaming each other, are actually fabulous when they are needed. From the service men and women who go wherever they are asked, to the NHS who look after all of us and onto ordinary men and women who will always put their hands in their pockets for someone in need, we are a pretty special bunch. We don't need to wave flags or profess particular ideologies, whilst being totally tolerant of those who do.
Lala
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Old_Laytonian
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Old_Laytonian
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And you’re a one trick pony
Chunkylad
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Like takeaways, crisps and chocolate?
catinstalbans
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Bored.
Newholland
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So did the poster in question say he had no sympathy for hungry and poverty stricken children? OR did you take his post out of context?
Lala
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Nor should anyone go out and work full time , with little disposable income, to support those who chose to have children they can’t support and aren’t prepared to work for it.
And trust me, this shit is rife !!!
Two sides my friend, two very real sides.
catinstalbans
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Agree with most of that but don't believe we should be tolerant of a government which forces millions into poverty or corruptly siphons off taxpayers money to donors and friends.
Chunkylad
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And can’t be arsed cooking
Chunkylad
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That I agree with
TimperleyTangerine
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A quick scan shows me no posts by Cat in relation to wins against Fulham or Boro, or thoughts on our defeat to Huddersfield.
Now I know we have a non-football side to this forum, and it makes for interesting reading, but if Cat is purely going to focus on his / her political agenda, there must surely be a more appropriate site.
Now I know we have a non-football side to this forum, and it makes for interesting reading, but if Cat is purely going to focus on his / her political agenda, there must surely be a more appropriate site.
20togo
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Why would you expect a football post from him?. Every waking moment of his is full of hate and negativity so positivity about the football team simply doesn't register.. All his posts on here tell you that.
catinstalbans
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Another abusive post from you know who!
20togo
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what's inaccurate or abusive about what I've said. Refer me to when you last had anything positive to say?.
Newholland
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Thought you were bored ... busy changing your avatar.
Lala
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That isn’t actually abusive Cat. It states an opinion, and maybe some facts.
But it isn’t abusive, so that won’t wash.
You may have a few stalwarts that jump to your defence whatever you say but the victim card when you aren’t being a abused doesn’t score points with most.
Bluecabinboy
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Can’t help noticing that with all their angry huffing & puffing, our favourite resident Remainer LWNJ’s have finally met themselves coming back & ‘tis they who are surely the new ‘gammons’….
catinstalbans
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"Every waking moment is full of hate and negativity"
This is clearly abusive and a lie.
Even you would have to admit that when I post about teaching I am unerringly positive about the students regardless of other frustrations which to be fair are true of every profession. Yet he and others regularly say I'm unfit for my profession.
Earlier this afternoon my thoughts were about my A level chemists calculations, and then my lessons for tomorrow, in particular trying to make a lesson on the difference between mass and weight interesting for my year 9s. No hatred there. Or when I was doing the laundry or thinking about what to have for tea, or even when catching up on the goals from yesterday's game.
He repeats one factual error I made from a year or two ago and repeats that and the hate filled posts comment like a mantra. It's his hate, not mine.
This is clearly abusive and a lie.
Even you would have to admit that when I post about teaching I am unerringly positive about the students regardless of other frustrations which to be fair are true of every profession. Yet he and others regularly say I'm unfit for my profession.
Earlier this afternoon my thoughts were about my A level chemists calculations, and then my lessons for tomorrow, in particular trying to make a lesson on the difference between mass and weight interesting for my year 9s. No hatred there. Or when I was doing the laundry or thinking about what to have for tea, or even when catching up on the goals from yesterday's game.
He repeats one factual error I made from a year or two ago and repeats that and the hate filled posts comment like a mantra. It's his hate, not mine.
Newholland
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....bless...
Lala
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It’s an opinion Cat, not abusive.
Much like the opinion you have of our government and anyone who doesn’t agree with your political viewpoint.
I think you sometime have stress issues , and that’s not me being abusive, maybe seems patronising but not intentionally.
I have stress issues too from time to time, a lot of us do.
And they can manifest in reverting to obsessional type.
20’s rarely comes on here making a post that abuses you. He simply reacts to your lead and your posts.
You make mention of his ‘supposed’ form and he makes mention of yours. It’s fair game to be honest.
It’s a credit to you that you care about your students , but it doesn’t mean you can come on here and diss everyone who doesn’t agree with your political mantra without getting a response you don’t like.
We’ve all been there, we all get the grief and sometimes have to adjust our own behaviour to deal with it.
Or walk away.
Newholland
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Credit to you Lala, think you’ve put Cat well and truly in the naughty corner tonight.
20togo
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fact is you pretty much never share those thoughts on here do you? All you share with us is your abusive posts of everything the govt do. And it wasn't one factual error, it was a lie. I credit you with enough intelligence to know that you knew damn well you'd had that avatar previously. So spare me your excuses.
Lala
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I didn’t intend to do that.Credit to you Lala, think you’ve put Cat well and truly in the naughty corner tonight.
I think I can recognise stress and obsessional posting because I’ve done it myself, and will do again no doubt!
But stress doesn’t make you immune to a response you don’t like. And if that is making your stress levels worse you have to walk away, because everyone is allowed an opinion, and purposely setting out to provoke one will never help you feel better.
I’m sure cat is as decent as the rest of us, but 20’s is too.
We’re all fallible human beings. And I’m still proud to be British
EagleDay
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I hope you're ready for the fallout, Matesrates!
EagleDay
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Poverty these days is at a different level to what it was in the '50s and before, a lot of those would think they are reasonably well off in comparison
Lala
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A lot are reasonably well off in comparison
Crikey, we had nothing but the basics, just, even in the 80’s. But we had love and stability, and that was so important.
EagleDay
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We have the worst state pension in the developed world? And yet many seem to think pensioners are a wealthy group.
Newholland
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AgreedI didn’t intend to do that.
I think I can recognise stress and obsessional posting because I’ve done it myself, and will do again no doubt!
But stress doesn’t make you immune to a response you don’t like. And if that is making your stress levels worse you have to walk away, because everyone is allowed an opinion, and purposely setting out to provoke one will never help you feel better.
I’m sure cat is as decent as the rest of us, but 20’s is too.
We’re all fallible human beings. And I’m still proud to be British
Stress bit me too.. didn’t really understand what was happening till doc referred me to Minds Matter.dodgy_surname
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Many times I’ve hated being skint. Thankfully nowhere near poverty.
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Lala
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Well hope you are doing ok nowAgreed
It’s a beast and that lack of control and frustration can make you kick the cat or kick yourself.
Neither has a great outcome
No pun intended re the cat thing, just realised what I had written
EagleDay
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Yeah, tell me about it. Even with all the faults of those times, I think society was more content in general than it is these days.A lot are reasonably well off in comparison
Crikey, we had nothing but the basics, just, even in the 80’s. But we had love and stability, and that was so important.
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Malced
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Ain’t it just
Also intersting, for Malced in particular, the unwanted remnants of my neighbours children’s food parcels that they gave me almost always consisted of vegetables and ‘from scratch’ cooking ingredients
I didn’t get no mayonnaise
Hmm. I didn’t get no mayonnaise is a double negative meaning you DID get mayonnaise but you were trying to HIDE it from us cos you’re a secret Mayonnaise drinker. (And you like R whites lemonade).
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Scaramanga
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Never in the history of life have children been so ** spoilt rotten. Yes there’s some that don’t have what others have, but if anyone believes kids are starving and destitute you are a pollock. Even the poor kids in this country aren’t starving have the stuff I could only dream of as a poor person growing up from a broken home. Have a ** word with yourselves.
Lala
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I absolutely think it was a happier time. But you can't turn it back, it appears.
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Malced
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I love my country.
It isn’t perfect but it’s probs the best country in the world.
We can let the country turn into a complete failed shit hole like Venezuela by giving away all the money to the needy. That might help in the very short term but ultimately it will bankrupt us and life for future generations will be ruined for all.
Yea we need the state to step in an support the ill/disabled and those who have lost a job or had a life event which means they can’t work temporarily.
However we should be careful with how we use our resources to ensure they’re targeted at the genuinely needy and not broad-brushed spread across the feckless or those with a misplaced sense of entitlement where they assume it’s a something for nothing world.
I’ve said before, poverty is relative. There will always be millions in poverty because poverty is calculated as those living with income at a predetermined percentage below average income level. So no matter how the economy grows there will always be folk with less than the average and who will fall into our countries definition of poverty. But let’s be honest, so so many within this definition of poverty have a tv a roof over their head, mobile phones and the trappings of modern life. Are they all needy to the extent they need help from the state? I don’t think so.
They’re not living in absolute poverty. Nowhere near. It’s that our standard of living has increased. Being brought up on hand me downs and dripping sandwiches and having parents working more than one job to make ends meet was perhaps real absolute poverty. That’s a mile away from today’s definition. Yeah there’s the truly destitute and needy. And that doesn’t mean they don’t have a laptop or an iPhone. It’s a different discussion as to whether in this day and age all kids should have access to a laptop. But that’s not to be confused with real poverty.
By the way, not sure why we attack the government in light of this Guardian article? If it’s costing the taxpayer so much it means the government is indeed supporting those in poverty. Yet some want to spin that as something for the government to be ashamed of. If they weren’t helping those in poverty, surely that would be the valid cause for complaint.
It isn’t perfect but it’s probs the best country in the world.
We can let the country turn into a complete failed shit hole like Venezuela by giving away all the money to the needy. That might help in the very short term but ultimately it will bankrupt us and life for future generations will be ruined for all.
Yea we need the state to step in an support the ill/disabled and those who have lost a job or had a life event which means they can’t work temporarily.
However we should be careful with how we use our resources to ensure they’re targeted at the genuinely needy and not broad-brushed spread across the feckless or those with a misplaced sense of entitlement where they assume it’s a something for nothing world.
I’ve said before, poverty is relative. There will always be millions in poverty because poverty is calculated as those living with income at a predetermined percentage below average income level. So no matter how the economy grows there will always be folk with less than the average and who will fall into our countries definition of poverty. But let’s be honest, so so many within this definition of poverty have a tv a roof over their head, mobile phones and the trappings of modern life. Are they all needy to the extent they need help from the state? I don’t think so.
They’re not living in absolute poverty. Nowhere near. It’s that our standard of living has increased. Being brought up on hand me downs and dripping sandwiches and having parents working more than one job to make ends meet was perhaps real absolute poverty. That’s a mile away from today’s definition. Yeah there’s the truly destitute and needy. And that doesn’t mean they don’t have a laptop or an iPhone. It’s a different discussion as to whether in this day and age all kids should have access to a laptop. But that’s not to be confused with real poverty.
By the way, not sure why we attack the government in light of this Guardian article? If it’s costing the taxpayer so much it means the government is indeed supporting those in poverty. Yet some want to spin that as something for the government to be ashamed of. If they weren’t helping those in poverty, surely that would be the valid cause for complaint.
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EagleDay
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They'd probably talk themselves into thinking they are even worse off than they think they already are.
ElBurroSinNombre
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Compelling viewing.Just lightening the thread a little.
Super furry animals , Juxtapposed. We miss you Robbie
ElBurroSinNombre
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Another ton for the most prolific batsman AVFTT has ever seen.
Great work teach!
Great work teach!
ElBurroSinNombre
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On a more serious note, I feel that the systems that the state uses whether it be the benefit system, the judicial system or the war on drugs need reform and some unorthodox thinking. On this board and generally we tend to rehearse the same arguments with both sides advocating approaches that often don't work very well.
The book below is about tackling poverty by the introduction of a basic minimum income for all with no means testing. It's an interesting idea and the book is well worth a read;
en.wikipedia.org
Not sure whether it would work, but no political party of the current day will go anywhere near this. Maybe it's an idea that will have its day.
The book below is about tackling poverty by the introduction of a basic minimum income for all with no means testing. It's an interesting idea and the book is well worth a read;
Utopia for Realists - Wikipedia
Not sure whether it would work, but no political party of the current day will go anywhere near this. Maybe it's an idea that will have its day.