Alabama execution

Why not a lethal dose of anaesthetic I’m usually out after 3 seconds. If they must execute.
 
If they are going to execute people, i dont see how hard it is to put them under general anaesthetic first. Can't be difficult to get hold of, even if pharmaceutical companies are hesitating to supply it.
 
Having read the Sky article it sounds like they couldn’t give him a lethal injection in 2022 due to not being able to get an intravenous line into him. This smacks of incompetence as I’m pretty sure any trained nurse could do it. FFS a firing squad would be more humane. Unless they actually wanted him to basically suffocate to death.
 
tommytwojags said:
22 minutes to kill the guy? That's torture not execution.



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Kenneth Smith: Alabama prisoner 'struggled for his life' in nitrogen gas execution

"We didn't see somebody go unconscious in 30 seconds. What we saw was minutes of someone struggling for their life," one of the witnesses said.
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Oh boo hoo, 22 minutes to die.
Wonder how long it took Elizabeth Senett to die after being stabbed by him?
And to say some are glad the death penalty isn't used here anymore!!
After yesterday's sentencing of Valdo Calocane it's perfectly OK to go out tonight and go on a killing rampage and say my heads been a little hurty.
Try asking the families of the deceased what should happen to Colocane.
I wonder how some on here would react if they'd had a loved one taken from them in a senseless act of violence?
 
Wizzerboy said:
Oh boo hoo, 22 minutes to die.
Wonder how long it took Elizabeth Senett to die after being stabbed by him?
And to say some are glad the death penalty isn't used here anymore!!
After yesterday's sentencing of Valdo Calocane it's perfectly OK to go out tonight and go on a killing rampage and say my heads been a little hurty.
Try asking the families of the deceased what should happen to Colocane.
I wonder how some on here would react if they'd had a loved one taken from them in a senseless act of violence?
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Nail on head.
That Colocane should have been shown no mercy at all he ruined 3 families lives would have been even more had he managed to break into that hostel.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Oh boo hoo, 22 minutes to die.
Wonder how long it took Elizabeth Senett to die after being stabbed by him?
And to say some are glad the death penalty isn't used here anymore!!
After yesterday's sentencing of Valdo Calocane it's perfectly OK to go out tonight and go on a killing rampage and say my heads been a little hurty.
Try asking the families of the deceased what should happen to Colocane.
I wonder how some on here would react if they'd had a loved one taken from them in a senseless act of violence?
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All barbarism just begets more barbarism and always has. I am always cautious of people spouting simple solutions that are proven not to work.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Nail on head.
That Colocane should have been shown no mercy at all he ruined 3 families lives would have been even more had he managed to break into that hostel.
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The sentence was that Kenneth Smith be executed; that is, having his life removed. There was nothing in the sentence to require that it be done as painfully and as frighteningly as possible. This was state barbarism.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The sentence was that Kenneth Smith be executed; that is, having his life removed. There was nothing in the sentence to require that it be done as painfully and as frighteningly as possible. This was state barbarism.
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As wizzerboy already stated how long did it take his victim to die a slow painful death being both stabbed and brutally battered or does that not count?
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
Correct, it does not count.
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So if it doesn’t count why are you so concerned about a convicted murderer then?

The only thing I don’t agree with regarding executions are they are carried out far too long after the sentencing and should be done within weeks maybe a month or two but 44 years of being on death row awaiting your fate is just not right.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So if it doesn’t count why are you so concerned about a convicted murderer then?

The only thing I don’t agree with regarding executions are they are carried out far too long after the sentencing and should be done within weeks maybe a month or two but 44 years of being on death row awaiting your fate is just not right.
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Sounds like you would therefore be happy if innocent people died at the hands of the state.
Because the judicial system sometimes convicts people who are really actually innocent.
 
bill40 said:
All barbarism just begets more barbarism and always has. I am always cautious of people spouting simple solutions that are proven not to work.
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Barbarism or not, how would you feel if it was one of your loved ones?
Would you be happy that the murderer could walk free after a few years in prison whilst you get to visit a grave or remember your family members passing another way?
We are continually told prisons are full to bursting yet inmates like Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley and Ian Bradey.
Got bed breakfast and evening meal over many years (all of which you pay for!)
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Sounds like you would therefore be happy if innocent people died at the hands of the state.
Because the judicial system sometimes convicts people who are really actually innocent.
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Who said anything about I’m happy with innocent people dying?
I’m talking about clear cut cases of murder (like in this case) which there are far more than any dodgy convictions.
I’ve always supported the death penalty so any clear cut cases of first degree murder should be a life for a life plain and simple why should these animals spend a life of being fed and exercised and visited by loved ones in the hope one day they just might get released when the people they have killed don’t have that choice and their bereaved families have to live with the pain and suffering for the rest of their lives?
 
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Capital punishment will never be allowed again in this country, it’s such a contentious topic that no government will consider it, you can imagine the protests if they did.

That said, in certain circumstances it might just get the public onside. Where there is absolutely no doubt that the culprit is guilty; where it involved children, where the murder was shockingly brutal , proven serial killers, and possibly where police were killed attempting tan arrest .
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Who said anything about I’m happy with innocent people dying?
I’m talking about clear cut cases of murder (like in this case) which there are far more than any dodgy convictions.
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For example the Birmingham six and Guildford four all seemed clearcut until they weren't.
In your scheme they would have been dead before the truth came to light.
In other news, many postmasters and postmistresses had criminal convictions because a computer system didn't work.
There are no simple answers to some questions.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
For example the Birmingham six and Guildford four all seemed clearcut until they weren't.
In your scheme they would have been dead before the truth came to light.
In other news, many postmasters and postmistresses had criminal convictions because a computer system didn't work.
There are no simple answers to some questions.
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If you read what I’ve said I said first degree murder where all the evidence is there so in other words 100% they did it.
Those two cases as I recall were flawed from the beginning dodgy whiteness accounts etc etc police concerns same as those who were charged with the Steven Lawrence murder as it was proved police had tampered with evidence.

Clear cut means clear cut Harold Shipman the Yorkshire riper, Moors murders, Dennis Nilson, Fred West, all should have been hung in my opinion as the suffering they all caused was just inexcusable.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
If you read what I’ve said I said first degree murder where all the evidence is there so in other words 100% they did it.
Those two cases as I recall were flawed from the beginning dodgy whiteness accounts etc etc police concerns same as those who were charged with the Steven Lawrence murder as it was proved police had tampered with evidence.

Clear cut means clear cut Harold Shipman the Yorkshire riper, Moors murders, Dennis Nilson, Fred West, all should have been hung in my opinion as the suffering they all caused was just inexcusable.
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Fred West did hang, he did it himself rather than face up to his crimes.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Barbarism or not, how would you feel if it was one of your loved ones?
Would you be happy that the murderer could walk free after a few years in prison whilst you get to visit a grave or remember your family members passing another way?
We are continually told prisons are full to bursting yet inmates like Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley and Ian Bradey.
Got bed breakfast and evening meal over many years (all of which you pay for!)
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What a load of emotive tosh, as you've only made one point of sustance I'll address that. Murderers do not walk free after a few years in fact they are never free even when released. An indeterminite sentence means just that it doesn't end. In the unlikely event he is ever released his next step would be prison but that won't happen he'll die incarcerated. And don't be fooled by the term hospital either conditions are as harsh as prison just with more medical staff.
 
bill40 said:
What a load of emotive tosh, as you've only made one point of sustance I'll address that. Murderers do not walk free after a few years in fact they are never free even when released. An indeterminite sentence means just that it doesn't end. In the unlikely event he is ever released his next step would be prison but that won't happen he'll die incarcerated. And don't be fooled by the term hospital either conditions are as harsh as prison just with more medical staff.
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Emotive tosh eh.
Don't bother posting if a love one gets murdered looking for sympathy as you'll get none from me.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Sounds like you would therefore be happy if innocent people died at the hands of the state.
Because the judicial system sometimes convicts people who are really actually innocent.
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Are you happy that murderers are released from prison to kill again?
That's also a balls up in the judicial system where innocent people get murdered that should be safe from these monsters.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Are you happy that murderers are released from prison to kill again?
That's also a balls up in the judicial system where innocent people get murdered that should be safe from these monsters.
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No I'm not happy about that but you don't have to execute people to stop them from being released from prison. You just don't release them from prison.
 
Sooty59 said:
Having read the Sky article it sounds like they couldn’t give him a lethal injection in 2022 due to not being able to get an intravenous line into him. This smacks of incompetence as I’m pretty sure any trained nurse could do it. FFS a firing squad would be more humane. Unless they actually wanted him to basically suffocate to death.
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Happens a lot with veins, especially for an IV, although seems more humane than Alabama's previous method which was beating them to death with banjos.

Anyway, capital punishment is unworkable, see the examples on this thread and the other 4632 times it's been stated on here, one verdict can't be seen to be safer than another.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
No I'm not happy about that but you don't have to execute people to stop them from being released from prison. You just don't release them from prison.
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But prisons are full to bursting, I was told this by a court judge at Royal Lytham and St Annes golf club.
Maybe, just maybe, make prisons the hovels they once were to try and deter ANY crime!!
It will never totally be eradicated but must be used as a deterrent, Ronnie Kray had a butler, Taylor made suits and regular parties FFS!!
 
Wizzerboy said:
Are you happy that murderers are released from prison to kill again?
That's also a balls up in the judicial system where innocent people get murdered that should be safe from these monsters.
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Hold on a sec you moved on from mass murderers to prisoners who get let out you'd hang them all.
So basically it's life for a life.

It's also pure guess work on your half behalf that those who sadly lose people want the perpetrator to get the death penalty.

Also guess work that the prison population would decline because of it.
 
It’s an unpleasant business which ever way you look at it. Taking this particular execution on facts and its merits it’s hard to have any sympathy for a man who brutally murdered a wife and mother for money.

Lots of innocent folk die a worse natural death, so I’m not going to lose any sleep over this fella.
 
tommytwojags said:
22 minutes to kill the guy? That's torture not execution.



news.sky.com

Kenneth Smith: Alabama prisoner 'struggled for his life' in nitrogen gas execution

"We didn't see somebody go unconscious in 30 seconds. What we saw was minutes of someone struggling for their life," one of the witnesses said.
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Probably less time than it took his victim to bleed to death after he and his fellow murderers stabbed her multiple times

I don't believe in Karma, but if I did . . .
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Happens a lot with veins, especially for an IV, although seems more humane than Alabama's previous method which was beating them to death with banjos.

Anyway, capital punishment is unworkable, see the examples on this thread and the other 4632 times it's been stated on here, one verdict can't be seen to be safer than another.
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I never said I supported capital punishment. I don’t.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
As wizzerboy already stated how long did it take his victim to die a slow painful death being both stabbed and brutally battered or does that not count?
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No it doesn't. Surely the State doesn't have to sink to those depths?

There is no comparison at all.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So if it doesn’t count why are you so concerned about a convicted murderer then?

The only thing I don’t agree with regarding executions are they are carried out far too long after the sentencing and should be done within weeks maybe a month or two but 44 years of being on death row awaiting your fate is just not right.
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The length of time it took the victim. to die does not count in setting the sentence. That's what you asked about and that is what I answered. What are you on about now?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So if it doesn’t count why are you so concerned about a convicted murderer then?

The only thing I don’t agree with regarding executions are they are carried out far too long after the sentencing and should be done within weeks maybe a month or two but 44 years of being on death row awaiting your fate is just not right.
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Exactly far too long. But do you not think this is down to solicitors who love to make money out of these things i.e appeal after appeal. Why was his accomplice put to death in 2010 ? It’s a crazy situation
 
Wizzerboy said:
But prisons are full to bursting, I was told this by a court judge at Royal Lytham and St Annes golf club.
Maybe, just maybe, make prisons the hovels they once were to try and deter ANY crime!!
It will never totally be eradicated but must be used as a deterrent, Ronnie Kray had a butler, Taylor made suits and regular parties FFS!!
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I think you are confusing the fictional character of Grouty in the sit com Porridge. The idea he was based on the thug and gangster Kray is urban myth.
 
bill40 said:
I think you are confusing the fictional character of Grouty in the sit com Porridge. The idea he was based on the thug and gangster Kray is urban myth.
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Try watching the documentary on Broadmoor.
No mention of Grouty but plenty of other undesirables.
 
I don't need to I have a relative who works in such an institution so I know first hand. If the fact that there are undesirables in Broadmoor comes as a shock to you there is no help available.
 
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