Alan Nixon again

BM's really not gotten off to a great start has he? In fact he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. The thing that has bothered me about BM is that he says he "was" a footballers agent. Has there ever been a better time to be a footballers agent? He must have been chite to step back and take the position he has now? He sounds like a guy after the status without having the skills.

But we are where we are. And as terrible as SG's second coming was - I'd rather let a young hungry Lancashire lad like David Dunn have a go at taking us forward. He's played at the top level, has an international cap and without doubt has friends within the top level of the game. Yes he's an agent but he should - given the opportunity - let this go and see where it takes him.

For those reasons I say we give the lad a chance and get behind him. He's only 40. We want a young guy to take us forward - why not him?
 
Macseasider said:
BM's really not gotten off to a great start has he? In fact he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. The thing that has bothered me about BM is that he says he "was" a footballers agent. Has there ever been a better time to be a footballers agent? He must have been chite to step back and take the position he has now? He sounds like a guy after the status without having the skills.

But we are where we are. And as terrible as SG's second coming was - I'd rather let a young hungry Lancashire lad like David Dunn have a go at taking us forward. He's played at the top level, has an international cap and without doubt has friends within the top level of the game. Yes he's an agent but he should - given the opportunity - let this go and see where it takes him.

For those reasons I say we give the lad a chance and get behind him. He's only 40. We want a young guy to take us forward - why not him?
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You were bigging Thompson up last week,from one extreme to another. A nearing pensioner to a forty year old. Who will it be next week Mac,how about Lennon moving to a bigger club.
 
Anyone else getting the feeling that the club are extremely anxious to not getting into the trap of bowing to fan pressure ? They've seen what can happen at this club . Maybe just me , but they seem to be digging their heels in regarding Evo , and the more clamour for him there is , the less likelihood of him coming .
 
ansdellmafia said:
Anyone else getting the feeling that the club are extremely anxious to not getting into the trap of bowing to fan pressure ? They've seen what can happen at this club . Maybe just me , but they seem to be digging their heels in regarding Evo , and the more clamour for him there is , the less likelihood of him coming .
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Ansdell, could be. And also could be they just don't think he is the right man and not been involved at high enough level of management yet? I suppose fans decision are largely made with their head and that is something the board have to guard against?
 
I sometimes just love the debate on here. 🙂
You get those that criticise the board for saying we were naive for approaching the likes of Wellens and Robinson and then say we should get Thompson and Matt Williams in. 😄
We have our only current ITK'er in Rekt who's very plausible but who is he? 🧐
There are lots of assumptions about the CEO which started with a certainty that Heckingbottom would be our next Manager. Now I don't know enough about what he does, or is soley responsible for, to not praise him for the good things and only criicise him for the bad things he does, unlike some. 😗
Then there's Simon Sadler.
The financial sector is a bit like gambling but gambling where you carrying out enough research and due dilligence to make sure the odds are in your favour. But football ownership is a new world and Simon's on a rapid learning process and he'll get things wrong. If his team aren't performing I'm sure he will be professional and ruthless enough to move them on. So I'm happy to let him get on with that and never expected everything to be perfect from day 1 or even year 1.
One thing's for sure, as a fan, Simon will be used to be reading this messageboard and "he know's what we're after". 😇
See you all later for another windy one.
UTMP.
 
Insider said:
I sometimes just love the debate on here. 🙂
You get those that criticise the board for saying we were naive for approaching the likes of Wellens and Robinson and then say we should get Thompson and Matt Williams in. 😄
We have our only current ITK'er in Rekt who's very plausible but who is he? 🧐
There are lots of assumptions about the CEO which started with a certainty that Heckingbottom would be our next Manager. Now I don't know enough about what he does, or is soley responsible for, to not praise him for the good things and only criicise him for the bad things he does, unlike some. 😗
Then there's Simon Sadler.
The financial sector is a bit like gambling but gambling where you carrying out enough research and due dilligence to make sure the odds are in your favour. But football ownership is a new world and Simon's on a rapid learning process and he'll get things wrong. If his team aren't performing I'm sure he will be professional and ruthless enough to move them on. So I'm happy to let him get on with that and never expected everything to be perfect from day 1 or even year 1.
One thing's for sure, as a fan, Simon will be used to be reading this messageboard and "he know's what we're after". 😇
See you all later for another windy one.
UTMP.
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Good post Insy.

For me, I've no problems with trying to get managers in from other clubs. Isn't that what most other clubs do? Of course it is. And Wellens and Robinson were both realistic targets. Unlike those calling for Matt Williams and Thommo. Matt Williams won't leave a PL club for us and Thommo has a good job at the nobbers which I'm sure will pay more than the no 2 at us. From what I gather Thommo even though he grew up in Blackpool was never actually a Blackpool fan so I don't see why he would consider the job at Blackpool as a more attractive option than the one he's currently in.

I'd welcome Evatt back as a young manager starting out on his new career path and to some extent his appointment would be no more of a gamble than appointing a so called experienced manager. Grayson proved that point. But overall, I'm happy to leave it to those in charge to do as they see fit. Appointing any new manager always has an element of a gamble about it. And that can be at any level. .
 
Insider said:
I sometimes just love the debate on here. 🙂
You get those that criticise the board for saying we were naive for approaching the likes of Wellens and Robinson and then say we should get Thompson and Matt Williams in. 😄
We have our only current ITK'er in Rekt who's very plausible but who is he? 🧐
There are lots of assumptions about the CEO which started with a certainty that Heckingbottom would be our next Manager. Now I don't know enough about what he does, or is soley responsible for, to not praise him for the good things and only criicise him for the bad things he does, unlike some. 😗
Then there's Simon Sadler.
The financial sector is a bit like gambling but gambling where you carrying out enough research and due dilligence to make sure the odds are in your favour. But football ownership is a new world and Simon's on a rapid learning process and he'll get things wrong. If his team aren't performing I'm sure he will be professional and ruthless enough to move them on. So I'm happy to let him get on with that and never expected everything to be perfect from day 1 or even year 1.
One thing's for sure, as a fan, Simon will be used to be reading this messageboard and "he know's what we're after". 😇
See you all later for another windy one.
UTMP.
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As I said on the other board Insider, you are completely misrepresenting expressed opinions in order to suit your own ends and make your point.

Alan Nixon and posters on here who are echoing his sentiment, are not simply saying that approaching an employed Manager is naive. Instead it is the fact that we appear to have made public approaches to the host Clubs, without first securing the Manager's commitment to joining Blackpool F.C. that is at issue. I seem to recall Karl Oyston adopting a similar tac, in his endeavours to demonstrate how Blackpool did things properly🙄

So there's no problem approaching an employed individual, whether it is Karl Robinson, Matt Williams or Pep Guardiola, the important thing though is to make sure you have all but secured your man, through private discussions, BEFORE you make any kind of public approach.

In the case of Robinson, he has form for doing exactly what he did....So naive would seem appropriate.
 
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I'm not sure that Evo would come to be honest. He's been made out to be the unlikeliest candidate due to his perceived inexperience as opposed to a coach at Brighton who looks after their U-23's who is way up the preferred pecking order. It would appear to me that Mansford is starting to panic and could possibly offer the job to Evo because nobody else wants it. What if Evo rejected the approach ? I certainly wouldn't think badly of him.
 
Bifster. I simply compiled a few things in my post that have been said by other posters. I respect, in the main, what the majority of posters say but that doesn't mean I agree with them.
So just who specifically am I misrepresenting with a post that represents my opinion?
You might not get a response from me because I'm heading off to the golden coast shortly. 👍
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
I'm not sure that Evo would come to be honest. He's been made out to be the unlikeliest candidate due to his perceived inexperience as opposed to a coach at Brighton who looks after their U-23's who is way up the preferred pecking order. It would appear to me that Mansford is starting to panic and could possibly offer the job to Evo because nobody else wants it. What if Evo rejected the approach ? I certainly wouldn't think badly of him.
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Agree with that.
Imagine how Evatt feels if he suddenly gets a phone call, wasn’t considered good enough a couple of weeks ago but because managers ahead of him have all turned the position down he’s now suddenly thrust in the frame, wouldn’t surprise me at all if he stayed at Barrow now.
 
Insider said:
I sometimes just love the debate on here. 🙂
You get those that criticise the board for saying we were naive for approaching the likes of Wellens and Robinson and then say we should get Thompson and Matt Williams in. 😄
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Here you go Insider...

The statement above ... You try to suggest that posters are being contradictory by calling approaches to Wellens and Robinson naive and at the same time suggesting we should get MW or Thommo in....

That's a twisted interpretation.... And your laughing emoticon, is your expressed opinion, which is to laugh at or try and suggest that those supposedly contradictory opinions are somehow amusing..

Like I said, you've misunderstood what people are saying.....
 
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I actually think Sadler has made a bit of a dogs dinner since he came in.

1. Sentimental appointment of Grayson - was never going to work based on his recent managerial record.
2. Mansford, now seems to have been found wanting in the new manager recruitment process, which has frankly been embarrassing. He’s also appointed his mate Linton Brown, ex Barnsley, as Commercial Director.
3. Football on show this season has been garbage.
4. A few staff have left recently and from what I’ve heard it’s possibly not the nicest place to work.
5. There was the reported shambles with Brett Ormerod and his attendance at games as a former player ambassador

Rekt may be able to confirm point 4?
 
Quite interesting this debate and the pop at Mansford by some. Mansford has a good track record at his previous clubs and a good reputation in the game and he is just one member of the board (including SS) who will make this decision. And he wasn't involved in Grayson's appointment.
Let's look at what has happened. We have so far tried to engage 3 decent quality managers - Jones (who will have contractual complications still being on Stoke's payroll and who can afford to see what offers they may be in the summer) and Robinson and Wellens (who were doing well, vying for promotion, and contracted to other clubs, who we approached in the correct way). The only thing Mansford has perhaps done wrong so far is commenting on Evatt. He should have said nothing about any potential candidate.
We just need to be patient. Not all things fall into place at the first time of asking.
 
What I thought was bad was the way Mansford talked about Heckinbottom in the Gazette article. He really shouldn't be mentioning names to the media, whatever he has to say about them. Very naive! - Quote: “Look, I’m definitely not going to talk about anyone in work. But when you talk about Hecky, I like him, he did really well. Occasionally I’m told what is being said and I know Heckingbottom might be seen as my mate in football, but what I can say is that I was at the club (Barnsley) when he went from Under-18 coach to the Under-23s, he then went in as assistant and got two wins at Wembley in no period of time. He kept them in the Championship and I think they were third or fourth in the Championship when all the best players had to be sold when Patrick (Cryne), may he rest in peace, had to make decisions to sell the club. If it’s Hecky, it’s Hecky, but let’s focus on getting the right person".
 
I heard the Nixon interview and thought he was forthright, to the point and talked a lot of sense. It has been a shambles and if SS has now taken control, that's great news.
 
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I actually think Sadler has made a bit of a dogs dinner since he came in.

1. Sentimental appointment of Grayson - was never going to work based on his recent managerial record.
2. Mansford, now seems to have been found wanting in the new manager recruitment process, which has frankly been embarrassing. He’s also appointed his mate Linton Brown, ex Barnsley, as Commercial Director.
3. Football on show this season has been garbage.
4. A few staff have left recently and from what I’ve heard it’s possibly not the nicest place to work.
5. There was the reported shambles with Brett Ormerod and his attendance at games as a former player ambassador

Rekt may be able to confirm point 4?
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Staff were fired from the club and hotel for Gross Misconduct before Christmas. Not heard of anyone leaving because of the atmosphere. doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened though.

SS’s main problem is he’s trying to split his time across the globe.

Think he’s come to realise it poses more problems than even he anticipated.

We’re still at a very early stage of rebuilding an entire football club. Things take time, mistakes will be made. We‘re going in the right direction. The training ground looks very very good indeed, and they’ve gone the extra mile to place it close to the town centre.

BM’s been away from English football for a while,this is beginning to show at the moment.
May this level of football, you need an extensive nationwide contact base.
He is a very intelligent guy, I think he’ll turn this around. All the moves we‘re making in general are thinking 3 or 4 steps ahead.
We will never be run in the same way as the Oystons, lurching from one fiasco to the next.
 
We‘re going in the right direction. The training ground looks very very good indeed, and they’ve gone the extra mile to place it close to the town centre."

Have I missed something here?
 
I have read all the posts and opinions on the managerial situation with interest and for me the following points are important to remember:-
1. We, as fans, don't have the full picture of what's going on. Yes we know about the approaches for Wellens and Robinson and apparently Rusk. We know that Evo has been ruled out. But what we don't know why they were approached - did we really want them or were they speculative enquiries. My guess is that BM will say we identified a list of X managers we wanted to talk to and these three were on the list . Nothing more and we are looking at/talking to others.
2. We are told Nathan Jones was the no1 target....was he? Did we really think he would come?
3. Could it be that these approaches were a way of saying to the football world that these are the calibre of manager we are looking at so others might sit up and take note - were we using them for our own ends rather than the other way round?
4. We are a club that's being repaired and rebuilt from an absolute car crash of a poorly run poorly funded left to rot club. It will take years to get everything sorted and put right . There will be mistakes along the way of course their will but SS is a fan and a hugely successful business man with a record of absolute success. In 5 or 10 years I am sure we will look back and see that SS has got things a lot more right than he has got wrong. He will get this appointment right.
5. This season was always going to be a season of transition...SS to me is clearly looking to next year for the first big push.

just my take on things.
 
I know it's a side issue, which I may have missed, but where is the new training ground going to be located? I was told very recently by a member of club staff that it's close to the De Vere hotel and that's not "close to the town centre".
 
Rektseasider said:
SS is a genuine fan. Has been since he was a lad. He thinks like a fan.
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He may very well think like a fan but he also has to think like an owner too.
The way the whole situation has been handled leaves a lot to be desired, and to be honest its probably been delt with like a fan! (who thought we'd have a manager in within a week after Larry got potted?)

At the end of the day what Nixon says may well be true and we'll have a manager next week.
All I want when the process is finished is that, no matter who it is, gives 100% to the cause and gets the team playing in a way that'll get fans returning through the turnstiles.

It's the least Sadler deserves after what he's done 👍
 
I really don’t understand why we’re being criticised for a “public approach” for a manager when it was a leak. It wasn’t like we set up a press conference and announced it to the world. I think Nixon and whoever else is wrong to criticise us for something that leaked.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
I know it's a side issue, which I may have missed, but where is the new training ground going to be located? I was told very recently by a member of club staff that it's close to the De Vere hotel and that's not "close to the town centre".
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Closer to the town than any other plan that’s been proposed. It’s all relative.
 
Whoever is appointed needs to be accepted by the supporters and get off to a good start. The danger here is as a consequence of the way this has played out the supporters will see it as a failed process.
 
What we don’t know is and would love to know
Nathan Jones , has he turned us down and if yes was it for the stoke pay off and he can’t come to us or as he said no to pool coaching job
 
The only thing that is fact on this thread is that none of us, none of us, have any confirmed information from the club regarding the recruitment process. I handle recruiting on a regular basis and there's no information leaking outside that process - for legal reasons - and frankly the club are right to keep their cards close to their chest.

Whoever the club appoint, it will be with the best interest of the club in mind, with the mandate that BM discussed in his interview. Until that appointment is made and publicly announced I, for one, am treating all other info as fake news.

Up the Pool
 
Tangerine Manc said:
What we don’t know is and would love to know
Nathan Jones , has he turned us down and if yes was it for the stoke pay off and he can’t come to us or as he said no to pool coaching job
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The info I've been told from a close friend who has contact with a club employee was that yes he has turned us down and the reason given was that Jones wasn't prepared to accept/work with the training facilities as they are at Squires Gate. He's come from a premier league quality training academy setup at Stoke and wasn't prepared to wait 2years for ours to be built, especially when other options (clubs) could soon come calling for him.

This is all I've been told and I can't elaborate on it further as I don't know any more than that. Don't ask me to name sources cause I don't even know the name of the source within the club, just his position, which I'm not gonna say.

So I'm just gonna leave this here and you lot can make up your own minds if you wish to take it at face value or not.

If it is true however it's one more final kick in the balls from the legacy of the previous regime.

Right I'm off to the match!

UTMP
 
todayistheday said:
You were bigging Thompson up last week,from one extreme to another. A nearing pensioner to a forty year old. Who will it be next week Mac,how about Lennon moving to a bigger club.
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This is what happens on obscure football message boards. People throw ideas about.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Here you go Insider...

The statement above ... You try to suggest that posters are being contradictory by calling approaches to Wellens and Robinson naive and at the same time suggesting we should get MW or Thommo in....

That's a twisted interpretation.... And your laughing emoticon, is your expressed opinion, which is to laugh at or try and suggest that those supposedly contradictory opinions are somehow amusing..

Like I said, you've misunderstood what people are saying.....
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Bifster.
Back home now after a good day in Blackpool. Family and football, a combination I grew up with.
Just picking up on your response I think you have misread my post.
I have never suggested at any time that we should bring back Thommo or Matt Williams. Completly the opposite if you look back at what I hav posted previously.
Thommo is a number 2 and Matt Williams was never very well liked by the "staff", factamundo.
 
Insider said:
Bifster.
Back home now after a good day in Blackpool. Family and football, a combination I grew up with.
Just picking up on your response I think you have misread my post.
I have never suggested at any time that we should bring back Thommo or Matt Williams. Completly the opposite if you look back at what I hav posted previously.
Thommo is a number 2 and Matt Williams was never very well liked by the "staff", factamundo.
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He's 1st team coach at Pne,frankie mcavoy is assistant manager,no doubt a relation to mcseasider.
 
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