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Tons of Apples

Tons of Apples

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Does this headline in the Gazette and the sale of Bowler show that this is the way it's going to be in the future - we're a selling club and best not get too used to our favourite players?

Michael Appleton picks out one player that will make Blackpool 'a hell of a lot of money'​

Michael Appleton believes Dom Thompson could be a player that goes on to earn Blackpool a “hell of a lot of money” down the line.​

 
It's the way of the football pyramid. I don't think many players, especially those in their prime, will want to stay at Blackpool forever. The money that other clubs can offer will be a massive factor too.

I will admit that it's a fine line between running a club sensibly and not having any ambition to grow the club for the future. Hopefully we can get the balance right.
 
It’s all relative. Selling your best players and replacing with Mason Flotsam and Diego Jetsam is a sure fire way to devalue and denigrate your football club. Investing in recruitment to ensure you’re replacing well and (hopefully) improving the overall squad level and investing profits into the wider infrastructure of the club to build revenue generation is a long-term model for growth. Appreciate that’s not good enough for the ‘I want it now’ brigade, but it’s true.
 
straightatthewall said:
It’s all relative. Selling your best players and replacing with Mason Flotsam and Diego Jetsam is a sure fire way to devalue and denigrate your football club. Investing in recruitment to ensure you’re replacing well and (hopefully) improving the overall squad level and investing profits into the wider infrastructure of the club to build revenue generation is a long-term model for growth. Appreciate that’s not good enough for the ‘I want it now’ brigade, but it’s true.
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It's the only way that a club like ours can make progress.
Brentford are a prime example of what can be achieved with a system for identifying and investing in talent and selling and reselling.
Toney must currently be worth in the region of 50 million.
 
As the shamrock rovers manager said about Lyons, we have to understand where we are in the food chain. Big clubs will take our best and ideally we take the best from L1 or any other club below us in the chain. It’s the nature of the professional game. I’m fine with it. The trick is to do it well, that way you build and move up the chain.
 
straightatthewall said:
It’s all relative. Selling your best players and replacing with Mason Flotsam and Diego Jetsam is a sure fire way to devalue and denigrate your football club. Investing in recruitment to ensure you’re replacing well and (hopefully) improving the overall squad level and investing profits into the wider infrastructure of the club to build revenue generation is a long-term model for growth. Appreciate that’s not good enough for the ‘I want it now’ brigade, but it’s true.
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Equally selling your best players and replacing them with loans is the opposite of the model and limits the stage for your homies to shine, should you sign more than one.
 
Tons of Apples said:
Does this headline in the Gazette and the sale of Bowler show that this is the way it's going to be in the future - we're a selling club and best not get too used to our favourite players?

Michael Appleton picks out one player that will make Blackpool 'a hell of a lot of money'​

Michael Appleton believes Dom Thompson could be a player that goes on to earn Blackpool a “hell of a lot of money” down the line.​

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I just hope it is not as soon as January though. He is one hell of a player.
 
Get in for free or a minimal fee. Develop them over a couple of years and sell on for a big fee. Sounds good to me as we know with Simon Sadler some of the money will be invested in the playing side. More money they sell for then I’d say a better quality of player they’ll be able to afford to bring in.
 
To me the model works like this-

Start point for us is a £4/5m fund.

Buy 3 players for £1m (same size squad funded as normal).

Develop and sell one for £6m, one break even small profit (£1m) and one dud. The model needs to have failure to thrive built in and numbers but it can't if the team has too many loans.
 
fcblackpool said:
Equally selling your best players and replacing them with loans is the opposite of the model and limits the stage for your homies to shine, should you sign more than one.
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We have bought 3 prospects with the Bowler cash from what I can tell
Poveda / Corbineau are stop gap replacements while the development players are improved and bedded in. Next season we may not take loans in the wide attacking area because Emerson / whoever is now a first team regular
 
fcblackpool said:
Equally selling your best players and replacing them with loans is the opposite of the model and limits the stage for your homies to shine, should you sign more than one.
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Yes but I think it's a strategy involving a number of complementary routes. Buy and develop young talent to both improve the club's position in the league and to sell on at a profit. The loans, meanwhile can't gain us the profit but can improve our league position so that we can attract better full-time players. Also do well with the kian players and it improves our standing with the big clubs to obtain better loan players.
 
I think people need to remember the development squad is brand new and that it will take a couple of seasons (unless we’re very lucky) for those players and our youth team players to progress to a point where they’re not only in and around the first team but quality championship level players - until that happens loan signings will be a central part of our transfer business. It’s a smart business model. If the 18 year old signed for £200k takes 2 seasons to develop into first team player but then becomes a top player on a long term contract (and in the meantime loans can allow for this development time) it’s a lot better than the club signing a 26/27 year old for 7 figures and a relatively massive contract and then having a limited sell on value.
A string of 20,21 and 22 year olds breaking into the first team squad over the next 3/4 seasons and proving themselves as good championship players and top prospects wil ultimately bring in millions down the line. We’ve just got to keep that conveyor belt moving and get the infrastructure in place alongside it

It’s a big gamble by Sadler as if it fails it’ll be 3/4 million quid down the drain until that’s probably obvious and in the meantime money is also essentially thrown away on loans too as opposed to another model.

It’s very ambitious whichever you look at it tbh although I do think some of our fans aren’t quite seeing it as they’re looking for a model we’re simply not following.
 
fcblackpool said:
Equally selling your best players and replacing them with loans is the opposite of the model and limits the stage for your homies to shine, should you sign more than one.
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Yep. Agree completely founts and I think we've an over-reliance on loanees in the current squad that suggests we've either not got a big enough budget or we got our approach wrong in the summer.
Equally, the 'payback' from loan players in the past has been hit and miss to say the least. You can - and we often do - end up in the situation where we're allowing a player make mistakes for us on behalf of his development for a 'bigger' club.
 
Twas ever thus!

Hutch, Burns and Green. Brought in cheap from Scotland and Skem and sold on.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It's the only way that a club like ours can make progress.
Brentford are a prime example of what can be achieved with a system for identifying and investing in talent and selling and reselling.
Toney must currently be worth in the region of 50 million.
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Didn’t they sell Watkins to Villa for about £20m and bought Toney in for £10-12m? And who seems to be the better player now.🤔
 
straightatthewall said:
Yep. Agree completely founts and I think we've an over-reliance on loanees in the current squad that suggests we've either not got a big enough budget or we got our approach wrong in the summer.
Equally, the 'payback' from loan players in the past has been hit and miss to say the least. You can - and we often do - end up in the situation where we're allowing a player make mistakes for us on behalf of his development for a 'bigger' club.
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Good loans made and Appleton said not to read anything into it but he is hoping some of those loans turn into buys
 
There was a thread the other day about 'Boro getting a crowd of 30,000 in, there's I think 7 clubs still getting PL payments, the reality is that the only way to be competitive at this level is to buy smart and sell smarter.
 
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There's not a chance in hell we're turning Patino into a perm signing. Highly doubtful for Fiorini and Podeva too. Theo is a possibility.
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Really depends if they want to be bench warmers, Prem league development, or playing most weeks.
I could see that some of the loans may be sold with a hefty sell on fee as part of the deal.
 
Can't see any of the Prem loans becoming permanent. Their clubs will want a premium. More likely if Appleton sticks around he'll have to find some more. And it was a tough second year for him trying to do that at Lincoln.

15 contracts up as well next summer unless that changes between now and then.
 
Thompson is 22. I’d like to see us try keep hold of him and nurture him, as well as other young players into experienced pro’s.

I just don’t really like the idea of selling all our prodigy’s the minute a half decent offer comes in.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I think people need to remember the development squad is brand new and that it will take a couple of seasons (unless we’re very lucky) for those players and our youth team players to progress to a point where they’re not only in and around the first team but quality championship level players - until that happens loan signings will be a central part of our transfer business. It’s a smart business model. If the 18 year old signed for £200k takes 2 seasons to develop into first team player but then becomes a top player on a long term contract (and in the meantime loans can allow for this development time) it’s a lot better than the club signing a 26/27 year old for 7 figures and a relatively massive contract and then having a limited sell on value.
A string of 20,21 and 22 year olds breaking into the first team squad over the next 3/4 seasons and proving themselves as good championship players and top prospects wil ultimately bring in millions down the line. We’ve just got to keep that conveyor belt moving and get the infrastructure in place alongside it

It’s a big gamble by Sadler as if it fails it’ll be 3/4 million quid down the drain until that’s probably obvious and in the meantime money is also essentially thrown away on loans too as opposed to another model.

It’s very ambitious whichever you look at it tbh although I do think some of our fans aren’t quite seeing it as they’re looking for a model we’re simply not following.
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The dev squad is an interesting way to get the players before they potentially become beyond our reach.

It certainly could be good in a few years of development and additions.

As for the strategy of money we have now had he first big one, Bowlers sale.

This means we might have spend only some of the Critchley money on Wright. We have money from Bowlers sale to invest.

We then get a higher caliber of player than we could have got, or a few of them.

1 of them should do well and again in a few years go for maybe 5 million or whatever, another might go too, we reinvest again.

Each time we get a bit stronger and get players we couldn't have got initially. Rinse and repeat until we have a squad that can compete nearer the top end.

Now we could get a boost with a cash injection from SS.

If he can find 30+ million for the TG and stand, whos to say he couldn't find 6 million for players investment.

If he wanted to he could speed up the whole process, with the money we have plus this investment you could buy in a lot of players for 2m, 2m 1.5m, 1.5m, 1.5m, 500k plus some for wages.

Instead of waiting for the sales of players we haven't yet invested in we could get them sooner. But obviously his priority is the TG and stand right now and is using player sales to fund further sales. Its a fair strategy, but we could boost it faster with an initial investment. Not saying he isn't already putting in as they said he's putting in a million plus a year just on squad side.

Anyway the main thing is we have made our first sale move and cashed in on a free transfer.

We now need to reinvest and go again, some years down the line that money could be turned into a lot more of we invest wisely.
 
The Middlesbrough population etc has been discussed under that thread, its nothing like Blackpools. Its a lot bigger and far more from their area, whereas ours is smaller and far less from the area the more generations back you go. Theirs a far bigger catchment area with less clubs around, also no owner issues like we've had losing generations of fans.
 
Always tangerine said:
50-60 years ago .
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When was our last home game with over 20000 in attendance? 70s presumably? Bolton 1-0 (Ronson) 77 ish?

Or has my brain deteriorated to the point where I'm forgetting obvious more recent stuff? When did we last have a capacity over 20k? Long time ago mefink.
 
straightatthewall said:
Yep. Agree completely founts and I think we've an over-reliance on loanees in the current squad that suggests we've either not got a big enough budget or we got our approach wrong in the summer.
Equally, the 'payback' from loan players in the past has been hit and miss to say the least. You can - and we often do - end up in the situation where we're allowing a player make mistakes for us on behalf of his development for a 'bigger' club.
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DJ, Dobbie and Coleman. All loans without whom we wouldn't have got to the Prem.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
DJ, Dobbie and Coleman. All loans without whom we wouldn't have got to the Prem.
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Don't get me wrong; there's a time and place and some loanees will be great and give us access to players we couldn't afford. But there's a difference between DJ, Dobbie, Paul Dickov or even Charlie and untried EPL kids who are supposed to be world beaters, but haven't a clue what real football is like. Even Seamus spent 3 years at Sligo, learning his trade before moving to Everton.

For every Ellis Simms there's a Tyreece John-Jules.
 
straightatthewall said:
Don't get me wrong; there's a time and place and some loanees will be great and give us access to players we couldn't afford. But there's a difference between DJ, Dobbie, Paul Dickov or even Charlie and untried EPL kids who are supposed to be world beaters, but haven't a clue what real football is like. Even Seamus spent 3 years at Sligo, learning his trade before moving to Everton.

For every Ellis Simms there's a Tyreece John-Jules.
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Fair point.
 
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