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1966_and_all_that

1966_and_all_that

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The IPCC report on climate change.

I am not here looking for a yaa-boo slanging match between the 'obvious suspects'. I think we're past all that. We must do something, as a World, as countries, as individuals.
Of course, the biggest polluters have the most to contribute: the USA, China, India and Europe. But, we must all do something and it must go beyond sorting our rubbish. Me and wife have taken out the log burner and are contemplating going down to one car. OK, it's a rather middle-class response but it's something.
I hope posters are on the same page.
 
Up till about 10 yrs ago I was skeptical but it's becoming too obvious to ignore. We need to get a functional working public transport system to reduce the number of cars. The last 10 yrs the number of cars per household has increased a lot, you only have to drive down residential streets to see that. The likes of China, Asia and Africa are still on the catch up to match western wealth the key is to encourage them to seek alternative power without sounding overly sanctimonious. We pumped a mass of pollution into the atmosphere during the industrial revolution. One thing that doesn't sit well with me is electric cars, disposing of the battery firstly and secondly the power needed to charge them.
 
Shandypants said:
Up till about 10 yrs ago I was skeptical but it's becoming too obvious to ignore. We need to get a functional working public transport system to reduce the number of cars. The last 10 yrs the number of cars per household has increased a lot, you only have to drive down residential streets to see that. The likes of China, Asia and Africa are still on the catch up to match western wealth the key is to encourage them to seek alternative power without sounding overly sanctimonious. We pumped a mass of pollution into the atmosphere during the industrial revolution. One thing that doesn't sit well with me is electric cars, disposing of the battery firstly and secondly the power needed to charge them.
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Your right about electric cars, it will all end in tears.
 
Ban cars, we all have to use public transport, or walk, or cycle. We didn’t have cars just over a century ago.
 
I think all the pointless journeys need addressing and never gets mentioned, you know the 300 mile round trip to walk up a mountain or go to a football match…? 🤣…and don’t even go there with electric cars running off carbon fuel burnt/generated electricity, inefficiently stored then put in an un recyclable battery…😎
 
If the problems with electric cars and the powering and disposal of the batteries along with the precious metals needed to make them is known. Then why charge ahead with it and not listen to the science?.
Once again nothing to do with money and the massive car companies is it?????
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The IPCC report on climate change.

I am not here looking for a yaa-boo slanging match between the 'obvious suspects'. I think we're past all that. We must do something, as a World, as countries, as individuals.
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I don't believe there are any 'obvious suspects' who would take a different view on this subject. Everyone has a responsibility to help save the planet, even if it's just picking up litter or not having a BBQ. Eventually, people flying around the world are going to have to pay the price and that's likely to be a hefty environment surcharge. The electric car thing is also not the answer while manufacturing and battery disposal carry such a high environmental price. I expect that in the future what we currently take for granted, such as sports teams flying around the world (Formula 1, Champions League), international holidays, cruises etc will either be frowned on or will be massively surcharged.
 
People may make the odd sacrifice that their personal life can tolerate. But I don’t think that will be enough.
Push them past their comfort zone of restricting modern living and they won’t have it.
It will take massive legal input restricting a lot of what we accept as the norm to tackle this long term.
Can’t see that happening either in the main.
 
To achieve something, everyone needs to change their behaviour, even if only a few tokens, The biggies are burning carbon in the big industrialed countries, but hundreds of millions of people making small changes will help.

Eat meat one day less a week. Walk more, its better for your health as well. Put on an extra layer rather than the heating, saves you money too. Shower rather than bath, saves even more money. Work from home if you're allowed.

Every journey starts with but a single step.
 
It showed with Covid that where there’s a genuine will there’s a way as far as funding massive projects on a global level.

We already know how to carbon capture at a small level, we know how to artificially freeze water so could apply that in the Poles, we know how to power vehicles using Hydrogen, and we know how to recycle. We know how to generate heat and power from renewable energy sources and know how to capture and store and distribute power.

Our Global billionaires are racing each other to go to Mars yet we haven’t saved this planet yet.

Greta is right when she says it’s all talk and no action
 
So basically the peasants are going to be made to reduce their quality of life and our ruling class will horde the wealth and carry on as normal. The job of the media appears to selling this state of affairs so people believe it's for their own good. A doff my hat to them as it's actually working.
 
Shandypants said:
Up till about 10 yrs ago I was skeptical but it's becoming too obvious to ignore. We need to get a functional working public transport system to reduce the number of cars. The last 10 yrs the number of cars per household has increased a lot, you only have to drive down residential streets to see that. The likes of China, Asia and Africa are still on the catch up to match western wealth the key is to encourage them to seek alternative power without sounding overly sanctimonious. We pumped a mass of pollution into the atmosphere during the industrial revolution. One thing that doesn't sit well with me is electric cars, disposing of the battery firstly and secondly the power needed to charge them.
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And do you seriously think even if we had the perfect public transport system people would give up their cars? No chance, it would take legislation to limit individual car use for that to happen, it's like asking for people to sacrifice their mobile phones.
 
Bamber said:
So basically the peasants are going to be made to reduce their quality of life and our ruling class will horde the wealth and carry on as normal. The job of the media appears to selling this state of affairs so people believe it's for their own good. A doff my hat to them as it's actually working.
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There are always those who will be cynical until it's too late. However, I agree with you about the ruling class.
 
Bamber said:
So basically the peasants are going to be made to reduce their quality of life and our ruling class will horde the wealth and carry on as normal. The job of the media appears to selling this state of affairs so people believe it's for their own good. A doff my hat to them as it's actually working.
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I agree that sacrifices for some will be much less than others, that’s why I feel that without legislation this won’t work.
 
Some of the eastern EU nations still burn lots of coal, especially Poland. EU need to get to grips with the countries concerned.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
If I were a betting man, which I am, I'd be backing the 'hand wringing half arsed policies nothing really happens' runner.
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I hope so but if feels different this time. They already have their boots on our necks and seem unwilling to let go.
 
Lala said:
People may make the odd sacrifice that their personal life can tolerate. But I don’t think that will be enough.
Push them past their comfort zone of restricting modern living and they won’t have it.
It will take massive legal input restricting a lot of what we accept as the norm to tackle this long term.
Can’t see that happening either in the main.
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Needs to though.
 
EagleDay said:
And do you seriously think even if we had the perfect public transport system people would give up their cars? No chance, it would take legislation to limit individual car use for that to happen, it's like asking for people to sacrifice their mobile phones.
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Not too far fetched actually. When I lived in London I gave up my car after a year because the public transport system was better for getting around.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Address the issue. What will help to solve the problem?
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Legislation, which neither of the main parties would ever consider, it'd be a political suicide note.

We're not going to change any time soon as a species and as the report stated, it's probably too late anyway.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Legislation, which neither of the main parties would ever consider, it'd be a political suicide note.

We're not going to change any time soon as a species and as the report stated, it's probably too late anyway.
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But, with climate change and the environment at the heart of economic & social policy it will help. Building regulations, vehicle taxation, public transport investment, airline/flight environmental impact surcharges, increased working from home, early movement away from carbon-fuels, expanded nuclear power generation, exploitation of wind, solar and tidal power, surcharges on red meat products, restrictions on overseas travel.
Draconian - perhaps but it's the future of humanity we're talking about.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Legislation, which neither of the main parties would ever consider, it'd be a political suicide note.

We're not going to change any time soon as a species and as the report stated, it's probably too late anyway.
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Thankfully I’ll be 60 this year
Heads down no nonsense mindless boogie
Bang your head on a wall
Cremations are bad for the atmosphere, burials are fncking expensive
Throw me in the sea high tide 👍
 
1966_and_all_that said:
But, with climate change and the environment at the heart of economic & social policy it will help. Building regulations, vehicle taxation, public transport investment, airline/flight environmental impact surcharges, increased working from home, early movement away from carbon-fuels, expanded nuclear power generation, exploitation of wind, solar and tidal power, surcharges on red meat products, restrictions on overseas travel.
Draconian - perhaps but it's the future of humanity we're talking about.
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We've just had a majority vote for Brexit, millions of people voted for Trump, there's a lot of people not going to believe it or care why it's costing them.

I'm voting Green Party in future but they have little to no chance of any real influence.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We've just had a majority vote for Brexit, millions of people voted for Trump, there's a lot of people not going to believe it or care why it's costing them.

I'm voting Green Party in future but they have little to no chance of any real influence.
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Your dispiriting view of humanity is understandable but it will not be those people making policy. We must all do our bit and support those who are prepared to make the necessary changes. Voting Green is a step in the right direction. I will continue to write to the Labour Party cajoling them to put climate change at the centre of their policies.
 
EagleDay said:
And do you seriously think even if we had the perfect public transport system people would give up their cars? No chance, it would take legislation to limit individual car use for that to happen, it's like asking for people to sacrifice their mobile phones.
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My mate has lived in London for the last 10 years and despite being in a highly paid job hasn't got a car as public transport is so good. The problem up north is the system is so poor, if we had a system half as good why would you need a car? I bloody hate driving and sooner chill out on a train all day long. I also walk a fair bit, averaging 6 miles a day, I never dream of jumping in the car for journeys less than a mile or two I'd sooner walk. I read that 50% of adults walk less than half a mile per day, thats utterly pathetic.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Your dispiriting view of humanity is understandable but it will not be those people making policy. We must all do our bit and support those who are prepared to make the necessary changes. Voting Green is a step in the right direction. I will continue to write to the Labour Party cajoling them to put climate change at the centre of their policies.
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They can only make the policy if they're in power, how do you rate the chances of a manifesto with this much tax and legislation getting elected these days?

We've just had 18 months of economic carnage and (necessary) draconian legislation remember.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We've just had a majority vote for Brexit, millions of people voted for Trump, there's a lot of people not going to believe it or care why it's costing them.

I'm voting Green Party in future but they have little to no chance of any real influence.
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Never say never.

Greens are projected to be the 2nd largest vote in the German election this year behind only CSU/CDU Merkels party , could be a sign of things to come.
 
Foolweary said:
Never say never.

Greens are projected to be the 2nd largest vote in the German election this year behind only CSU/CDU Merkels party , could be a sign of things to come.
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You hope that people will get fed up and start to see through the same tired old rhetoric of the Tories and Labour but I don't know, people tend to do what they're told in this country.
 
After a lifetime of voting Labour, through tradition mainly and utter dislike of Tories, I’m seriously moving towards the Green Party. It’s going to take a massive rethink by the population to vote differently, but if the mass media jump onboard re climate change and the COP26 summit, who knows.
 
People just need to stop shagging. Every new kid that comes into the world is going to add a whole load more CO2 emissions over its lifetime. If Greta Thunberg ever becomes a mum, she'll lose all credibility for her campaign.
 
Shandypants said:
I voted green last election but the first past the post system means voting green is pissing in the wind.
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Can’t disagree with that, plus the great unwashed will still look at the Greens as kranks, odd balls and hippy tree huggers! but we live in hope.
 
I think the penny is beginning to drop with some people at last, but I think when these latest huge blast of wild fires die down that will probably stop.
It needs global leadership to achieve anything meaningful. I doubt that will happen, and from our own Government I expect a lot of noise, but not much else.
 
It'll take a gigantic disaster to wake us up, by which time it'll be too late, to do anything worthwhile, so we'll just have to live with the consequences. What surprises me are the younger generations, they seem even more wasteful & given it's supposedly been drummed into them at school, that in itself is worrying.
 
Matesrates said:
Ban cars, we all have to use public transport, or walk, or cycle. We didn’t have cars just over a century ago.
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Thats ok if your local and office based.
there is no direct public transport to where i work so i woud need to get a bus then 2 trains to work then walk which would make my commute time 2 and a half hours each way added to my day then when i get to work i then pick up people to take to job then have to drive to collect tools then drive to several different sites during the day then back to tip off then drop people back at base without a vehicle .So then I become unemployed great idea
 
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seasiderjohn said:
Thats ok if your local and office based.
there is no direct public transport to where i work so i woud need to get a bus then 2 trains to work then walk which would make my commute time 2 and a half hours each way added to my day then when i get to work i then pick up people to take to job then have to drive to collect tools then drive to several different sites during the day then back to tip off then drop people back at base without a vehicle .So then I become unemployed great idea
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My post was of course fantasy, but there are millions in this country who don’t need a car for work and could find other ways of getting around. Look at the so called Chelsea tractors, mums driving a mile to drop their kids at school for example.

So unless you need it for work, you can’t have one. That solves your problem.
 
Jeez reading some of these posts I was right about Kim jong un, communists unite.
 
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