Another owner's statement.

The more I see of the way our own fans are behaving recently (Social Media stuff mostly) the more I can sympathise with owners who essentially decide to pull the plug on funding. It is a tough one though, because you are allowing what is likely a very small percentage of fans to spoil it for the majority and some owners might be looking for an excuse to shirk their responsibility.

On balance I would probably fall on the side that any owner ought to know what they are getting themselves into and have a thick enough skin to understand that they will get some flak if things aren't going well. That said, I also think we need to do something to tackle the whole Social Media free for all (across the board) and start making people far more accountable for their actions.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The more I see of the way our own fans are behaving recently (Social Media stuff mostly) the more I can sympathise with owners who essentially decide to pull the plug on funding. It is a tough one though, because you are allowing what is likely a very small percentage of fans to spoil it for the majority and some owners might be looking for an excuse to shirk their responsibility.

On balance I would probably fall on the side that any owner ought to know what they are getting themselves into and have a thick enough skin to understand that they will get some flak if things aren't going well. That said, I also think we need to do something to tackle the whole Social Media free for all (across the board) and start making people far more accountable for their actions.
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Agreed, there is unfortunately a large percentage of football supporters who haven't got two brain cells to rub together, and because they've bought the home kit and been to matches, they've some given right to be abusive etc if the owner doesn't live up to their exacting standards. Village idiots now have a voice with social media.

In this particular case, I've no sympathy whatsoever with the MASSIVE. They obviously think there's a long queue of prospective owners willing to sink millions into their club annually and now the owner has called their bluff. Good for him.
 
Their game is live on sky tonight where there is sure to be another protest in full view of everyone watching
 
voyeur said:
Its maybe a lesson in how constant criticism of someone putting money into your club might backfire.
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If you go back to the 90's and the Jack Walker / Blackburn era, then an owner piling a big wedge of cash into a football club would generally produce a guaranteed result on the pitch. These days pretty much every man and his dog is throwing massive sums of cash at it and so many owners are forced to lose money had over fist just to tread water.

I suppose with a Club that has potential like Wednesday might be one that could attract interest from alternative buyers, but a change of ownership and more upheaval really doesn't come with any guarantees at all. Looking at it from our perspective, I'm not al all convinced that potential buyers would be falling over themselves to step into Sadler's shoes, so as you say it's maybe something we should bear in mind.

Whenever things like this come up I start thinking about where the solutions might lie and how we might get to grips with Football and Finance and regain some kind of control over the nonsense it' become, but in the end it just makes my brain hurt TBH.... It really is just a massive fuck up!
 
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Agreed, there is unfortunately a large percentage of football supporters who haven't got two brain cells to rub together, and because they've bought the home kit and been to matches, they've some given right to be abusive etc if the owner doesn't live up to their exacting standards. Village idiots now have a voice with social media.

In this particular case, I've no sympathy whatsoever with the MASSIVE. They obviously think there's a long queue of prospective owners willing to sink millions into their club annually and now the owner has called their bluff. Good for him.
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Agree with the first part, totally disagree with the second part.

He runs the club, if he is having to put in money, that's because of how he's decided to run the club.

Far more owners get far better value for their money that Chansiri is getting and that can only rest on his head, and fans are entitled to point it out when it's as extreme an example as Sheff Wed are.
 
Footballs a bit fucked really, like a lot of things in the world are.

People, including myself, would do well to try and take the positives out of any situation but as a race we seek the negatives🤷‍♂️

Football club owners are easy targets for keyboard warrior’s and as BFC x 3 says need to have thick skin to take it on.
 
Tango1953 said:
Agree with the first part, totally disagree with the second part.

He runs the club, if he is having to put in money, that's because of how he's decided to run the club.

Far more owners get far better value for their money that Chansiri is getting and that can only rest on his head, and fans are entitled to point it out when it's as extreme an example as Sheff Wed are.
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I must admit, I don't know the absolute details about their situation, what is the extreme situation and how exactly has he contributed to it?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If you go back to the 90's and the Jack Walker / Blackburn era, then an owner piling a big wedge of cash into a football club would generally produce a guaranteed result on the pitch. These days pretty much every man and his dog is throwing massive sums of cash at it and so many owners are forced to lose money had over fist just to tread water.

I suppose with a Club that has potential like Wednesday might be one that could attract interest from alternative buyers, but a change of ownership and more upheaval really doesn't come with any guarantees at all. Looking at it from our perspective, I'm not al all convinced that potential buyers would be falling over themselves to step into Sadlers shoes, so as you say it's maybe something we should bear in mind.

Whenever things like this come up I start thinking about where the solutions might lie and how we might get to grips with Football and Finance and regain some kind of control over the nonsense it' become, but in the end it just makes my brain hurt TBH.... It really is just a massive fuck up!
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I think perhaps we are one of the clubs caught up in a sort of 'corridor of uncertainty? Not enough fans attending to finance a strong push in th Championship, no big money owners/investors attracted to us like Bournemouth or Wrexham. But enough fans and investment to get into the Championship and flirt with the bigger richer clubs. Working to find and develop players and create a togetherness that allows us to mix it with them, some of the time at least. It may just be a matter of time before Derby, Bolton, Pompey return to tier 2. As they recover from financial mismanagement.

All of the Prem clubs bar Luton ( they have hit the jackpot though with no Oyston theft likely) and a lot of the Championship clubs now have a much higher level of finance than us. Most have appreciably bigger fanbases too. 14 cubs are averaging over 20000 this season, and only one is below 15000. Could we average over 15000 in the Championship? Maybe, at a push. We'v been close in the last decade, thanks to Holloway and cheap season tickets. We can do bottom half of that division if we get our shit together, but we can also drop out if we don't. We are not that different fron PKE or Rovers, really, of course. A bridgeable gap.

Perhaps SS will build the club into a more attractive asset. Finished ground, good training facilities, bigger fan base. In the meantime, we are in that corridor, with the money and the noise, Watford and Stoke on one side, and the financial prudence, Exeter and Lincoln and peace and quiet on the other. I guess the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham, Charlton, Posh and Wigan are in the corridor with us.
 
Tango1953 said:
They are losing money because of how he has run the club. He's then partially made the fans financially responsible for these errors with the hike in season tickets.

The equation of 'money spent' equating to 'being well run' and responsible ownership needs changing in fans m8nds and in owners like Chansiri's.
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It's a very fair point. If a club is being badly managed, then it ceases to be about investment and fans with no say in how things are run will get frustrated with the incompetence. There is still the question of how that frustration is expressed though. And a wider question of how clubs can avoid mismanagement by an all powerful owner. One approach is that of exeter I guess, at the cost of having no inward investment. I think I would like a league in which all clubs had to be run that way. But it won't happen obviously cos it's all about the money.
 
voyeur said:
I think perhaps we are one of the clubs caught up in a sort of 'corridor of uncertainty? Not enough fans attending to finance a strong push in th Championship, no big money owners/investors attracted to us like Bournemouth or Wrexham. But enough fans and investment to get into the Championship and flirt with the bigger richer clubs. Working to find and develop players and create a togetherness that allows us to mix it with them, some of the time at least. It may just be a matter of time before Derby, Bolton, Pompey return to tier 2. As they recover from financial mismanagement.

All of the Prem clubs bar Luton ( they have hit the jackpot though with no Oyston theft likely) and a lot of the Championship clubs now have a much higher level of finance than us. Most have appreciably bigger fanbases too. 14 cubs are averaging over 20000 this season, and only one is below 15000. Could we average over 15000 in the Championship? Maybe, at a push. We'v been close in the last decade, thanks to Holloway and cheap season tickets. We can do bottom half of that division if we get our shit together, but we can also drop out if we don't. We are not that different fron PKE or Rovers, really, of course. A bridgeable gap.

Perhaps SS will build the club into a more attractive asset. Finished ground, good training facilities, bigger fan base. In the meantime, we are in that corridor, with the money and the noise, Watford and Stoke on one side, and the financial prudence, Exeter and Lincoln and peace and quiet on the other. I guess the likes of Barnsley, Rotherham, Charlton, Posh and Wigan are in the corridor with us.
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When you look at this end of the spectrum and the level of expenditure from a Club like Wednesday it does perhaps make you re-evaluate our own situation. I do think with the bigger finances and the bigger clubs (high expectations / demanding supporters) there is a certain inevitability of financial collapse and subsequently the kind of 'time in the wilderness' that is currently associated with the Clubs you mention... So as they come back into the ascendency, I suspect that others will take their place perhaps.

From our point of view, I think Sadler is wise to try and run the Club as sustainably as possible and to focus on the areas that he has done. OK, we've burned through some cash (although it's small potatoes compared to many), but nonetheless you can see what he is trying to do, by focusing genuine experience and expertise in and around recruitment and having a coach who is (despite the many criticisms) capable of developing players and making them better.

There's an awful lot to be said for simply being a well run club with a clear strategy in a world that seems to be full of financial mismanagement and an over-reliance on 'pounds spent' being the key to success. I think that it is certainly the right approach for a Club like ours and it's probably the only way that we are going to be able to develop ourselves...
 
No matter how much money I had I would never buy a football club unless there was a decent chance of making some serious money like the Glazers did.

30 years ago I would have thought differently but the combination of social media and ridiculous fan expectation can make it quite unpleasant and thankless.

Thats why I admire people like SS . He stepped up to ensure BFC continued for future generations with little or no expectation of a return. He continues to pump money in amidst unwarranted and unjustified critiscm.

Its why I will always back him because without him or people like him I just don't think i'd have a club to go and watch and support.

The vast majority of clubs seem to be just money pits.
 
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They are losing money because of how he has run the club. He's then partially made the fans financially responsible for these errors with the hike in season tickets.

The equation of 'money spent' equating to 'being well run' and responsible ownership needs changing in fans m8nds and in owners like Chansiri's.
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I think he's also sold the stadium to one of his own companies hasn't he ?

As ever, there is always more to these situations than meets the eye. I was under the impression that he was a younger member of a family where the funding and wealth is generated by people other than him. So whilst I'm sure that this latest statement is in part prompted by criticism, it is possible that he is being reined in by his own relatives as well.

Whatever the background is, the published losses are eye-watering and suggest that he has a lot to learn about costs control.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If you go back to the 90's and the Jack Walker / Blackburn era, then an owner piling a big wedge of cash into a football club would generally produce a guaranteed result on the pitch. These days pretty much every man and his dog is throwing massive sums of cash at it and so many owners are forced to lose money had over fist just to tread water.

I suppose with a Club that has potential like Wednesday might be one that could attract interest from alternative buyers, but a change of ownership and more upheaval really doesn't come with any guarantees at all. Looking at it from our perspective, I'm not al all convinced that potential buyers would be falling over themselves to step into Sadlers shoes, so as you say it's maybe something we should bear in mind.

Whenever things like this come up I start thinking about where the solutions might lie and how we might get to grips with Football and Finance and regain some kind of control over the nonsense it' become, but in the end it just makes my brain hurt TBH.... It really is just a massive fuck up!
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BFCX3 i always think anyone who calls people by their surname is showing disrespect ,his name is Simon Sadler ,why not call him that, i worked for a guy who owned a quite big timber merchants ,his name was Roger , but some employees called him Rog, i maybe old school but think people should show respect a little more ,after all the guy has done for this club in his short time tenure, the least we all should do is call him by his full name.
 
Tango1953 said:
Agree with the first part, totally disagree with the second part.

He runs the club, if he is having to put in money, that's because of how he's decided to run the club.

Far more owners get far better value for their money that Chansiri is getting and that can only rest on his head, and fans are entitled to point it out when it's as extreme an example as Sheff Wed are.
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Fans criticising isn't the problem if you read about it, it's the personal and family abusethat are the issue, and quite rightly he's calling them out for it.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
BFCX3 i always think anyone who calls people by their surname is showing disrespect ,his name is Simon Sadler ,why not call him that, i worked for a guy who owned a quite big timber merchants ,his name was Roger , but some employees called him Rog, i maybe old school but think people should show respect a little more ,after all the guy has done for this club in his short time tenure, the least we all should do is call him by his full name.
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When I was at school all the teachers referred to us by our surnames only. Never, ever first names :)
 
If you go off the 28 million SS has invested in this club and take in we have an average of 10,000 fans per home game who lets say optimistically pay £30 a game [kids ,pensioners and season tickets paying a lot less].. That's £300,000 a game .23 home games a season ,that's just short of 7,000,000 . So with my calculations it would take 4 years to get his money back if it was all profit.

Now I know money is made from pies ,pints and the shop merchandise ,but whatever is made from that would not even cover the wage bill , or stewarding ,or policing and maintainance. I know these figures are not accurate ,but I can't see me being far out. So when someone moans about the lack of investment or bringing in poor quality players they should look at these figures and maybe think again or they really do have a brain made of cow pat.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
BFCX3 i always think anyone who calls people by their surname is showing disrespect ,his name is Simon Sadler ,why not call him that, i worked for a guy who owned a quite big timber merchants ,his name was Roger , but some employees called him Rog, i maybe old school but think people should show respect a little more ,after all the guy has done for this club in his short time tenure, the least we all should do is call him by his full name.
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As you say, It's probably an age thing... My generation (Simon's generation) are a lot less up our own arses 👍
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
Thank the lord i was brought up in the era of respect then, maybe what you said is partly why we live in this toxic world we live in then, i wonder if you were spoilt as a child 🤔then and if you have children do they respect thier elders or maybe not.
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I just think you're maybe getting respect confused with something else TBH...

Arguably it is / was impolite / disrespectful to actually refer to an individual by their forename unless you are familiar with them.. You've probably noticed it is common practice in them there public schools for pretty much everyone to be referred to by their surname!!

I wasn't spoiled as a child and my children are taught to respect people based upon their character and not their age 👍
 
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I must admit, I don't know the absolute details about their situation, what is the extreme situation and how exactly has he contributed to it?
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He is ultimately responsible for all contracts signed, so if he's spending £2 for every £ earned its his fault. That's objective.

Subjectively speaking, the manager change seemed odd at the time and his justification of it was lacking a bit of class.
 
Tango1953 said:
He is ultimately responsible for all contracts signed, so if he's spending £2 for every £ earned its his fault. That's objective.

Subjectively speaking, the manager change seemed odd at the time and his justification of it was lacking a bit of class.
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He is responsible for the budget, yes, although spunking money for little return is not exactly a unique thing in the world of Football.

I often wonder what it must feel like to be on the wrong end of tens of thousands of angry voices, who all blame you for essentially ruining something that they love. It's no wonder that some of these owners maybe lose it at times or the pressure gets to them and they lash out, say the wrong thing etc... Must be a bloody lonely and unforgiving place at times 😞

Their choice for buying a football club I suppose.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I just think you're maybe getting respect confused with something else TBH...

Arguably it is / was impolite / disrespectful to actually refer to an individual by their forename unless you are familiar with them.. You've probably noticed it is common practice in them there public schools for pretty much everyone to be referred to by their surname!!

I wasn't spoiled as a child and my children are taught to respect people based upon their character and not their age 👍
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I do not understand the reference to (them there public schools) if you are having a pop at me that comment ,i can assure you when i was a child my family were very poor, i went to a comprehensive school and never had the choice to go to a further education college ,as they were called them ( everything i own i worked very hard for all my life,) no one helped me i came from a very poor family, who also had to work just to survive, i will not get into a debate with you over this thread, as said i have it seems far more respect even now in my later years than you and probable the rest of you young family have, to end its only my opinion ,and i respect your points and your views on this ,we are all family on this board whether good or bad .
up the mighty tangerines ,lets hope we both have something to be happy about after Saturday ,take care fellow Seasider and 🤞for 3 points on Saturday.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
I do not understand the reference to (them there public schools) if you are having a pop at me that comment ,i can assure you when i was a child my family were very poor, i went to a comprehensive school and never had the choice to go to a further education college ,as they were called them ( everything i own i worked very hard for all my life,) no one helped me i came from a very poor family, who also had to work just to survive, i will not get into a debate with you over this thread, as said i have it seems far more respect even now in my later years than you and probable the rest of you young family have, to end its only my opinion ,and i respect your points and your views on this ,we are all family on this board whether good or bad .
up the mighty tangerines ,lets hope we both have something to be happy about after Saturday ,take care fellow Seasider and 🤞for 3 points on Saturday.
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The reference to Public Schools was simply to emphasise that in 'so called' polite society, it is perfectly normal for people to be called by their surname.

For clarity (and I realise it's often difficult to have much clarity from behind that haze of alcohol) it is you here who is 'having a pop' at me. Firstly, there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with referring to our owner as 'Sadler' in the context of this forum. Secondly there is absolutely no need whatsoever for you to snidely question the integrity me and my kids and the way they or I have been brought up.

This is the second time me and you have had words on here... The first time was as a direct result of you being outrageously abusive (in the midst of another drunken haze) to another poster, which was totally unjustified... So you'll have to forgive me for finding your advice about respect, nothing short of laughable.

I think my era (and those younger than me) have learned very much to our personal cost, the dangers of handing out 'respect' to those who simply deserve non whatsoever.
 
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The reference to Public Schools was simply to emphasise that in 'so called' polite society, it is perfectly normal for people to be called by their surname.

For clarity (and I realise it's often difficult to have much clarity from behind that haze of alcohol) it is you here who is 'having a pop' at me. Firstly, there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with referring to our owner as 'Sadler' in the context of this forum. Secondly there is absolutely no need whatsoever for you to snidely question the integrity me and my kids and the way they or I have been brought up.

This is the second time me and you have had words on here... The first time was as a direct result of you being outrageously abusive (in the midst of another drunken haze) to another poster, which was totally unjustified... So you'll have to forgive me for finding your advice about respect, nothing short of laughable.

I think my era (and those younger than me) have learned very much to our personal cost, the dangers of handing out 'respect' to those who simply deserve non whatsoever.
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Have a nice day.
 
I think we are very lucky to have an owner like Mr Simon Sadler (don’t want to get into a rumble for not addressing him correctly). My only criticism is that we need more money / investment but that isn’t necessarily S Sadler Esq’s fault.

I do however find statements to fans from owners embarrassing, no matter how well intentioned, and do wish Simon would remember that he’s one of us and having to justify himself is simply not necessary.

Si Baby does need to be a bit more thick skinned though in my opinion because as others have suggested, the general chatter will always include nonsense from knobheads, nobbers and WUMs.
 
LWYRUP said:
I think we are very lucky to have an owner like Mr Simon Sadler (don’t want to get into a rumble for not addressing him correctly). My only criticism is that we need more money / investment but that isn’t necessarily S Sadler Esq’s fault.

I do find statements to fans embarrassing However and do wish Simon would remember that he’s one of us and having to justify himself to the rest of us is simply not necessary.

Si Baby does need to be a bit more thicker skinned though in my opinion because as others have suggested, the general chatter will always include nonsense from knobheads, nobbers and WUMs.
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Si Baby possibly crosses a line I’d have thought.

It’s a minefield - tread carefully 😉
 
I absolutely love the story of Steve (Afroman) and Raggy turning up for a meeting with S of a R at BR with a load of empty lever arch files and then rearranging the room before S of a R and his entourage arrived. Really makes me smile every time I think of it.
 
LWYRUP said:
I absolutely love the story of Steve (Afroman) and Raggy turning up for a meeting with S of a R at BR with a load of empty lever arch files and then rearranging the room before S of a R and his entourage arrived. Really makes me smile every time I think of it.
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The one that will stick in my memory is the Judge at Manchester whilst Afroman was ‘cross-examining’ Karl in court.

Judge - “Did he say that to you Mr Oyston ?”

Karl - “Did he say What ?”

Judge - “Did he say - Don’t point that at me, you Son of A Rapist”
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
At least he called him Mr Sadler , that shows far more respect than you gave him.
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Just to be clear (as it seems the education system has failed you) it’s perfectly proper and polite to refer to an individual by their surname when referencing them in the context of this forum or, say, a news article etc…

However calling someone a Prick or a Stupid Bastard (without provocation at least) is generally considered impolite. 👍

I hope this helps you to navigate future interactions. At the ripe old age of 70+ ? I’m surprised that such things have escaped you.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The more I see of the way our own fans are behaving recently (Social Media stuff mostly) the more I can sympathise with owners who essentially decide to pull the plug on funding. It is a tough one though, because you are allowing what is likely a very small percentage of fans to spoil it for the majority and some owners might be looking for an excuse to shirk their responsibility.

On balance I would probably fall on the side that any owner ought to know what they are getting themselves into and have a thick enough skin to understand that they will get some flak if things aren't going well. That said, I also think we need to do something to tackle the whole Social Media free for all (across the board) and start making people far more accountable for their actions.
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Totally. And these owners appear to be addicted to trawling social media probably fishing for compliments but getting the total opposite. Quite sad really.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
Thank the lord i was brought up in the era of respect then, maybe what you said is partly why we live in this toxic world we live in then, i wonder if you were spoilt as a child 🤔then and if you have children do they respect thier elders or maybe not.
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Listening to footy commentary must be positively frightening for you?

Would you prefer Chissy saying “ball forward to Jordan, lays it off to Matthew and then to Kenny and across to Christopher. Back to Matthew and then to the other Matthew and James and finally back to Daniel. Long ball out for a throw in to Barnsley”?
 
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