Another summer ruined?
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Tangerinewookiee
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I think Southgate is one of the worst England managers we have had, he keeps selecting players who are either woefully out of form or are not playing for their clubs (Maguire, Horrenderson, Phillips, etc).
I would love England to sack Southgate (even though he seems like a nice guy, just not cut out for top level management) and replace him with Eddie Howe.
Southgate never did anything as a club manager, to warrant his involvement with England. Any half decent manager could have done what he has done with England U21's and the National team. A good manager would have won something by now with the resources available to him!
I would love England to sack Southgate (even though he seems like a nice guy, just not cut out for top level management) and replace him with Eddie Howe.
Southgate never did anything as a club manager, to warrant his involvement with England. Any half decent manager could have done what he has done with England U21's and the National team. A good manager would have won something by now with the resources available to him!
FY4Representer
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I get that you don’t rate him, but to call him one of the worst managers we’ve ever had after getting us to 2 x WC semi finals and a Euros final is up there with one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever seen on here.
The facts speak for themselves - the most successful manager England have had since Ramsey.
Tangerinewookiee
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Any half decent manager would have achieved that as a minimum with the talent available in the squad (Appleton & Mcarthey not included). A good manager would probably have picked up at least one trophy possibly two.
Wizzerboy
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Successful by winning nothing!
Just the same as Ericsson, Allardyce, Taylor, Robson, Revie etc etc
Albert Ross
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Some people have a funny idea of success.
Using that yardstick, if we lost in the playoffs semi final and finals in 3 successive years, Critchley could be considered an outstanding success.
For managers still on an upward curve with their careers the England job isn't the pinnacle any more. The Newcastle job is more attractive to an established manager in his forties and fifties.
International management is.more suited to a manager that has peaked as a club manage or is currently out of favour.
Probably the best realistic English candidate is Graham Potter.
Generally agree with you about Southgate apart from him ruining summer!
Seaside shuffle
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Southgate has achieved most since Ramsey, I'm old enough to remember us not even qualifying for the '74 and '78 World Cups.We don't have a given right to actually win anything, there are many highly talented football nations across the globe.
Southgate has been a very successful manager and we go into next summer's tournament with a good chance of success,along with 5 or 6 other nations. Fingers crossed!
Southgate has been a very successful manager and we go into next summer's tournament with a good chance of success,along with 5 or 6 other nations. Fingers crossed!
Critchknows
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I think the England team have achieved what they have despite Southgate not because of him. Let's be clear though, they've won nout up to now.
Lytham_fy8
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Shit thread full of shit opinions.
People forget farces like Iceland so easily.
People forget farces like Iceland so easily.
premierdream2010
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Have to agree there is some woppers on here !!
PNENIL
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A thread full of delusion, arrogance and stupidity.
The funny thing is, if and when England don't win another tournament they'll be all back telling us that they told you so.
Absolutely no idea how hard it is to win an international tournament every two years and totally disregarding the quality of other teams. Just disrespectful .
The funny thing is, if and when England don't win another tournament they'll be all back telling us that they told you so.
Absolutely no idea how hard it is to win an international tournament every two years and totally disregarding the quality of other teams. Just disrespectful .
GrahamwantshisOates
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He had chance to win that Euro Final.
To select youngsters like Saha and Sancho to take the penalties was baffling.
To select youngsters like Saha and Sancho to take the penalties was baffling.
1966_and_all_that
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Here we go...England are God's gift to football. The best league in the world, super Sunday, massive TV audience...might you ever think you're being conned.
Dougz
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Is that the multi trophy winning Eddie Howe ? ;-)
A better manager would of won something with the squad we have I lost all hope when we had the final at Wembley and bottled it he is responsible for that and all the other failures he is responsible for us failing at euro 96 he’s pathetic hes not the worst England manager allardyce takes that one but he’s not far behind him he's useless I refuse to watch them while he’s in charge
Paul Gardner No2
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He’s an FA figurehead and a shit manager. The former counts for more in this Woke piece of shit of a country. The talent we have available is an embarrassment of riches. Never has there been a better pool to draw from. But he is far too cautious playing with a wheel clamp on never mind a handbrake!!
poolseasider
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poolseasider
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ER not really three out of the last five Champions league winners have been English sides.
poolseasider
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Nope as no foreign manager has EVER won the World Cup like the players has to be someone from your country.
PdxTangerine
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Easy to say any decent manager would have achieved 2 semis and a final at major tournaments but is the talent level of those squads really that much better than we had under Sven, Capello etc?.
Fact is even with Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc these managers couldn't match what Southgate has achieved.
Fact is even with Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc these managers couldn't match what Southgate has achieved.
Hankey2009
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Don’t think it’s a straight forward a question as it appears, Southgate has had many favourable draws however major teams have dropped out and left the door open for us to progress. Are the best teams not as good and are the poorer teams improving? He’s done well to get us so far but IMO needs to win the Euros next year, we really do have one of the best squads in World football and we have to utilise it in the right way, it’s up to him to do that. I’d only be worried of France in the Euros, Germany will be better for been on home turf, Spain will be there or there abouts, have Belgium gone? Portugal maybe dark horses but they said that about the Dutch in the World Cup last year.
Old_Laytonian
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I'll be in Crete for the Final so it won't ruin my Summer. If we're there then what a bonus. I know where I'll be watching it already.Manos will have a table reserved for me.
poolseasider
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And Ashley Cole,Rio Ferdinand,Paul Scholes,David Beckham.
We've had top top players and won stuff all but where as other countries think getting to a quarter or semi is a success we class it as a failure unless we win the whole God thing.
This thread be a classic example of the mentality(for some) of football.
Wilburrabbit
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I’m not a huge fan of Southgate’s tactical nous but you cannot deny his record over recent tournaments is excellent. Only one team wins each tournament guys.
I can still remember the failure to qualify we had to put up with in the 1970’s so perhaps some perspective?
I can still remember the failure to qualify we had to put up with in the 1970’s so perhaps some perspective?
South shore lad
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2 below par results when we're missing key players and Southgate tinkered with the team a bit to give some players a chance to make their case for next summer and some already think we've lost the Euros. Classic AVFTT.
We've had a lot of good games/ results this year and Southgate has done a better job than anyone else has in a long time. The England youth set up in general has been incredible in recent times producing the players we currently have.
Do none of you remember what our team looked like 10 years ago during what can only be described as the dark times?? Our front 4 in our opening game at the 2014 world cup was Barkley, Lallana, Milner and Sturridge for fuck sake. You only have to look at our squad during the 2014 world cup to see how far we've come in recent times.
If we don't win next summer i'd agree that it's time to move on from Southgate and give someone else a chance but some people need to get some serious perspective on how far we've come.
We've had a lot of good games/ results this year and Southgate has done a better job than anyone else has in a long time. The England youth set up in general has been incredible in recent times producing the players we currently have.
Do none of you remember what our team looked like 10 years ago during what can only be described as the dark times?? Our front 4 in our opening game at the 2014 world cup was Barkley, Lallana, Milner and Sturridge for fuck sake. You only have to look at our squad during the 2014 world cup to see how far we've come in recent times.
If we don't win next summer i'd agree that it's time to move on from Southgate and give someone else a chance but some people need to get some serious perspective on how far we've come.
1966_and_all_that
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Oh, you mean our Europeans beat other teams Europeans.ER not really three out of the last five Champions league winners have been English sides.
1966_and_all_that
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"Woke piece of shit of a country." Says more about you than it says about the England manager.
poolseasider
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Go on I'll bite last ten year World Club champions have all been from Europe.
1966_and_all_that
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And....?
poolseasider
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Here we go...England are God's gift to football. The best league in the world, super Sunday, massive TV audience...might you ever think you're being conned.
Thought you where being dismissive of the English clubs or did I read the room wrong?
I was trying to put your argument down as wrong.
1966_and_all_that
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My point is that everyone gets on the back of the England players and manager because they believe all of the advertising shite that England is the home of world football. It's bollocks, it's dirty money and it's a conn.
Killingmesoftly
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For a minute I thought critch had a contract extension…..
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Wizaard
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We've Won 8, drawn 2 with no defeats in the calendar year.
Unbelievable to describe him as one of the worst.
8Ball
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It’s the squad that’s carrying him
Sven
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It's been well documented that England squads used to be fractious but players seem to enjoy playing for England now, many of them have said the manager has played a big part in that. It's probably helped us to a best ever finish at the Euros and a first WC semi since 1990.
Not to worry anyway, it's coming home
Not to worry anyway, it's coming home
voyeur
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Yeah but no but thems shit that englund init an as for sothgate wots he ever done as a manger he wont even get a job at ren rovers if I ad out to do wiv it Ollie shoood be englund boss we wood be championes of everything and I wood even wotch it cos it d be atack atack atack but we av to put up wiv shit woke sothgate an I cont be arst and hendo needs lockin up in sowdi for crimes agenst football but also, in total contradiction of the manager's commitment to fight discrimination in football, against the LGBTQ+ community. England’s failures over the last seven years have come from their coach not having the willingness to impose his style on an opponent. You need a manager who takes tough tactically astute decisions based on experience, like Roberto Mancini who beat Southgate in the Euro 2021 final. Evidence shows that unlikable coaches like the Italian tend to get results. Not only does the Italian have a Euro 2021 winners medal in his collection, he also counts the Premier League, Serie A, the FA Cup and Coppa Italia amongst his collection.
Dougz
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That’s the spirit pal
Raging_Bull
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Southgate has lots of good qualities that I admire but he lacks a pair of bollox which will always stop him winning the big prize, the Italy game at Wembley summed him up, we go 1-0 up and he changes shape in to a defensive shell hoping to hang on and hit them on the break when we were the home side FFS, he then strangely picks three of the five young inexperienced subs who are not match ready to take penalty's, surprise, surprise they all miss them.
His record at qualifying for tournaments is very good compared to other European teams and yes he does have some excellent talent at his disposal, however his blind loyalty to players like Hendo, McGuire, Philips is just downright senseless and is a serious hinderance to moving the team to the elite level of tournament winners, we have lots of quality players in midfield like Foden, Rice, Saka, Bellingham and Grealish, but we are poor at goalkeeper and centre backs and no team ever wins the big prizes when you are weak in such key areas, no matter who is running the show.
That will always be our Achilles heel until the right quality players comes along.
His record at qualifying for tournaments is very good compared to other European teams and yes he does have some excellent talent at his disposal, however his blind loyalty to players like Hendo, McGuire, Philips is just downright senseless and is a serious hinderance to moving the team to the elite level of tournament winners, we have lots of quality players in midfield like Foden, Rice, Saka, Bellingham and Grealish, but we are poor at goalkeeper and centre backs and no team ever wins the big prizes when you are weak in such key areas, no matter who is running the show.
That will always be our Achilles heel until the right quality players comes along.
Dougz
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Poor at goalkeeper ?? Pickford has a great record for England, not sure how we could improve on him.
Raging_Bull
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Sorry pal not for me, I rate Pickford as pretty average and he certainly doesn't come anywhere near the best in the PL when you compare him to the keepers at the other clubs, the other issue is we have no depth at keeper when you compare us to the other top tier nations.
You're right Pickford has done well for England, but he's nowhere near the level of the likes Martinez, Edison, Alisson and Raya for me.
Eternaloptimist
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ER, excuse me Wizz but Sam Alardyce is the most successful manager of England ever with a 100% record.
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes
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Southgate has brought belief to players chosen to play for England. They enjoy playing, they don't fear it. He hasn't squandered a golden generation whilst having an affair with a panelist of Shooting Stars, he hasn't exchanged money in brown envelopes and he certainly hasn't taken the money and run.
Yes he's got a great squad of players, but also other nations have caught up with coaching, fitness and methods of playing, so arguably he's got a more competitive time of it.
Best England manager in my lifetime and the closest we've seen to England winning anything.
Yes he's got a great squad of players, but also other nations have caught up with coaching, fitness and methods of playing, so arguably he's got a more competitive time of it.
Best England manager in my lifetime and the closest we've seen to England winning anything.
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Dougz
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Actually if you check his XG stats they are very good although I suspect that relates to amount of shots faced and playing behind the Everton defence, let’s face it he is going to be kept busy !
Eternaloptimist
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The problem with a lot of sport in this Country is that most of those who are appointed managers always take what they believe to be the safest option and that is to bring in the old guard. Cricket was notorious for it back in the day.
Southgates record for England isn’t as bad as some are making out on here but it is evidently clear that he is a yes man and doesn’t want to upset anyone at the FA for fear of losing his job.
People are saying that he shouldn’t have used the younger players to take penalties but, in essence, that means to stick with the old “reliables” which is somewhat hypocritical.You can’t have it both ways.
They may be young players but they are professionals who earn a hell of a lot of money so should be able to cope with the pressure; it’s their job and if they are good enough to play for their Country then they should be good enough to take penalties under any given set of circumstances.
We’ll never know how good Allardyce could have been but I know one thing, he would have been his own man and wouldn’t have sucked up to the FA
Southgates record for England isn’t as bad as some are making out on here but it is evidently clear that he is a yes man and doesn’t want to upset anyone at the FA for fear of losing his job.
People are saying that he shouldn’t have used the younger players to take penalties but, in essence, that means to stick with the old “reliables” which is somewhat hypocritical.You can’t have it both ways.
They may be young players but they are professionals who earn a hell of a lot of money so should be able to cope with the pressure; it’s their job and if they are good enough to play for their Country then they should be good enough to take penalties under any given set of circumstances.
We’ll never know how good Allardyce could have been but I know one thing, he would have been his own man and wouldn’t have sucked up to the FA