Another summer ruined?

[Raging_Bull]

The problem with a lot of sport in this Country is that most of those who are appointed managers always take what they believe to be the safest option and that is to bring in the old guard. Cricket was notorious for it back in the day.
Southgates record for England isn’t as bad as some are making out on here but it is evidently clear that he is a yes man and doesn’t want to upset anyone at the FA for fear of losing his job.
People are saying that he shouldn’t have used the younger players to take penalties but, in essence, that means to stick with the old “reliables” which is somewhat hypocritical.You can’t have it both ways.
They may be young players but they are professionals who earn a hell of a lot of money so should be able to cope with the pressure; it’s their job and if they are good enough to play for their Country then they should be good enough to take penalties under any given set of circumstances.
We’ll never know how good Allardyce could have been but I know one thing, he would have been his own man and wouldn’t have sucked up to the FA

Allardyce? We all saw what he did when he got the job and met up with that reporter and got himself sacked by the FA, I wouldn't want a man of his morals not to mention his style of play anywhere near the England job.

 

[Eternaloptimist]

Allardyce? We all saw what he did when he got the job and met up with that reporter and got himself sacked by the FA, I wouldn't want a man of his morals not to mention his style of play anywhere near the England job.

Bull, I wouldn’t want him as England’s manager either.
I was just making a point that he would be someone who wouldn’t suck up to the bosses like a lot seem to do.
Anyway, can you go onto my other thread and tell me how you chose your username please as I’d be interested to know

 

[Tango1953]

I get that you don’t rate him, but to call him one of the worst managers we’ve ever had after getting us to 2 x WC semi finals and a Euros final

Agree.

As well as the achievements which are objectively the best and most consistent we've had in generations, there's also the context about where we were when he took over.

A squad with holes all over, a lack of quality, systems that didn't suit the personnel, a tendency for players to hide, a reliance on star players to "do something" and most damaging a fear factor about playing for England that created hostility between fans, media and the players.

Southgate essentially managed all these and created a positivity around England for all parties. He'll leave after this tournament (it makes sense whatever we do in it) but he'll be passing it to the next man in tremendous shape and he deserves credit for that.

It's something essentially no-one since Venables has been able to do, so it shouldn't be taken for granted.

 

[FY4Representer]

Agree.

As well as the achievements which are objectively the best and most consistent we've had in generations, there's also the context about where we were when he took over.

A squad with holes all over, a lack of quality, systems that didn't suit the personnel, a tendency for players to hide, a reliance on star players to "do something" and most damaging a fear factor about playing for England that created hostility between fans, media and the players.

Southgate essentially managed all these and created a positivity around England for all parties. He'll leave after this tournament (it makes sense whatever we do in it) but he'll be passing it to the next man in tremendous shape and he deserves credit for that.

It's something essentially no-one since Venables has been able to do, so it shouldn't be taken for granted.

Exactly this. No idea why people have this expectation that we should be winning more than we actually do. One World Cup and we only really won that because it was on home soil, let’s be honest. We really do have an entitled set of fans here in England.

Considering where we were at, people really need to put some respect on his name.

 

[Wizaard]

Sorry pal not for me, I rate Pickford as pretty average and he certainly doesn't come anywhere near the best in the PL when you compare him to the keepers at the other clubs, the other issue is we have no depth at keeper when you compare us to the other top tier nations.

You're right Pickford has done well for England, but he's nowhere near the level of the likes Martinez, Edison, Alisson and Raya for me.

Who else is better, playing regularly at the top level and English is the conundrum.

 

[Enzo]

And Ashley Cole,Rio Ferdinand,Paul Scholes,David Beckham.
We've had top top players and won stuff all but where as other countries think getting to a quarter or semi is a success we class it as a failure unless we win the whole God thing.

This thread be a classic example of the mentality(for some) of football.

We was cheated back then there was nothing wrong with sol campbells headers in the World Cup and euros two years later it was no suprise to see fifa get raided not long after they hated us and couldn’t wait to see us out

 

[Raging_Bull]

Who else is better, playing regularly at the top level and English is the conundrum.

Nobody is better Wiz and that's the problem, if the lad was Spanish, German, Belgian or Italian he'd be nowhere near the squad. As for Brazilian or an Argie, forget it.