cars now the fire service are at it! You maybe rich but 17,000 is a lot of money wasted. But puddle headed councils are first class waster of public money.
No doubt you wear a hair shirt and only eat raw turnip.You couldn’t make this up! First the police with their baseball caps and rainbow
Can’t be long now until the Ambulance service follow suit.
I'm not rich, a country that collects 700 billion in taxes every year is. 0.000002% of that was spent on this. For the normal every day tax payer, a tiny fraction of a penny. And presumably it's done on older models in need of a lick of paint because they have decided it's good advertising and a way to get a small boost public trust.
The Daily Mail would rather stir up outrage over 17 grand spent on this than have people care about its own owner (a member of the House of Lords) tax dodging millions through non-dom statusIt looks jollier, red is so 1970’s. I’d be beaming if this turned up whilst my house was burning down.
In all seriousness though, it really doesn’t offend or bother me. Billions of pounds spent on useless PPE towards companies that Tory MPs have an interest in, as one example, does
Not when you add it together with all the other wasted "one thousandth's of a penny" it doesn't, it comes to millions if not billions of wasted cash that could be put to better use. Who needs a rainbow fire engine? 17 grand would go quite a long way on something useful, like the NHS or public transport for example.
It absolutely would not even be a drop in the ocean for either of those things. I promise you there is no meeting in Government where there was a vote whether to pay for a new NHS staff position or a fire engine remodel and they chose this. Thats not how government policy works.
What's the old saying 'take care of the pennies' etc. I would have painted it for a whole lots less. Or better still art students from a college.
Its not the cost of one paint job it's multiple. And if you can find me 500,000 similar policies we can scrap to give an extra 1% to the NHS I'm all ears.
Who said it is a multiple job? and where did you get 500,000 policies from?
Everyone that reported the story said it was multiple jobs.
Is red paint free? It really means nothing
We could go on but football beckons.
Talking bollocks mate and you know it. Repainting on top of red if want be pedantic.
Ok millions then smart arse, you pay for it if it amounts to nothing. I was talking about wastage of the tax payers money in general, far greater than this amount, but it all counts.
Oh jeez man.
Ok so millions, it would take doing this a trillion times over to cost a million to regular tax payers like you and I. If you're complaining about other wastes of actual significant money that's a completely different thing isn't it. That's a different argument. Like tax breaks for the super rich which our incoming Prime Minister seems to want. Or companies dodging tax. Can talk about that if you want. But quite why you've spat the dummy out and said 'you pay for it then', I don't know. If I had a trillion pounds a year to spend like the UK government did I'd have no problem with that. Unfortunately I earn a bit less than that, so that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say, isn't it?
Two wrongs don't make a right mate , that's all I'm saying. You can't have it both ways. Squandering public money in these difficult times is not on.
I would think it will be a vinyl overlay.
Yes you can have it both ways. Here's how. I care about billions squandered through tax dodging companies. Billions that could double the NHS budget. I don't care about a probably unnecessary but kinda nice and harmless all in all policy that fire services think will boost recruitment and public support that cost me one hundredth or one thousandth of a penny. I wouldn't give a shit if I dropped a penny on my walk to work today, and that would cost me 100 or 1000x more than this policy
FFS
What about the trillions squandered trying to copy China's Covid policy when there was a much cheaper, lesser restrictive (Swedish) pre-planned (UK) pandemic strategy? Or can you spunk whatever you want on the 'right' things?
Dunno, not really read any studies on the efficacy of different countries COVID responses and it's certainly not something I plan to learn about on an internet message board.
Thought so
Sorry, do you have a point to make?Thought so
Yeah, my point is you're quick to jump in around £17,000 spent on fire engines but not a peep about trillions squandered pursuing a daft strategy of trying to eliminate an airborne virus.
Well that's an easy one, 17k on fire engines is completely insignificant and nobody needs to spend a single second of their day worrying about it and so it's pretty easy for me not to care whether they are necessary and will achieve what fire services want to achieve. It's such a piddly sum of money in our 1 trillion pound budget, if you read my posts I'm amazed you haven't gathered this is my point. Whereas whether the UK's COVID strategy (which did not cost trillions) was good or bad, how it ranks among the rest of the world, is such a big, massive question that encompasses an almost infinite number of variables that require expertise in many different areas from economics, to public health, to data science, to epidemiology, that I don't really feel any benefit discussing it with rockontommy on a football forum. Sometimes people can have opinions on one thing without having an opinion on literally everything else in the entire world.Yeah, my point is you're quick to jump in around £17,000 spent on fire engines but not a peep about trillions squandered pursuing a daft strategy of trying to eliminate an airborne virus.
(Worldwide) Inflation going through the roof a result of Brexit or Ukraine, I suspect?
There's no way you think this is how fire call outs work
The thread is clearly about taxpayers' money. The clue is in the title. Anyway, not interested in a debate, just thought I'd put it out there. Wondered whether you were interested in the the biggest spunking of taxpayer cash ever. Clearly not.
I’m looking at Divisional level and above - which I think you know
I'll refer you back to my previous post
You asked if people would be happy if our loved ones died in a fire that emergency services didn't attend as a direct result of repainting a fire engine and I'd love to know how that would ever happen.
Because the money was spent incorrectly at the higher level resulting in less firefighters etc. If you have no idea how National or strategic budgeting works I can’t help you
Local authorities set budgets for their fire services based on funding from central government and council tax. Here some authorities have decided to spend a couple of grand on some new paintjobs, which is quite a bit less than the cost of a firefighter. What you have offered is probably the most egregious false equivalence I have ever heard in my life.
Then you haven’t lived much or operated at the highest levels of government, if that disappoints you get more active in politics an change things or if you can’t be bothered to do that go to bed and leave the adults to lead.
Ok now you have that out of your system can you please explain how a council with a 60 million quid budget spending 3,000 on paint means my family is now at more risk of death.
Sorry I believe you were saying something about being an adult
Don’t be sorry - I understand
They think it will help recruitment and public support. Who am I to argue. I didn't even say it would be a positive, I don't know.
