Anyone else not overwhelmed by the Critchley return?

Macseasider said:
You seem to rim whoever the manager is or whatever decision is made. Proper nodding
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Macseasider said:
You seem to rim whoever the manager is or whatever decision is made. Proper nodding dog.
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1) you’re chatting shite. I criticised both the Appleton and McCarthy appointments

2) if trusting the club to make the right decisions, backing the owner who pulled us out of the mud, trying to remain generally positive, and not personally attacking people people at the club makes me a ‘nodding dog’ then so be it.

I’d much rather be that than a grown man spending hours at a screen spitting my dummy out and whinging every post and abusing people I’ll never meet.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
What is it with Sadler and ex Pool Managers returning?
Grayson, Appleton, Critchley. 🤷‍♂️
I suppose we could have done a lot worse Who next Wor Lee, Ince, McPhillips?
I just can’t believe we’ve gone back in for someone who left us in the lurch and pretty much overnight started the relegation dog fight battle that was last season.
Far better managers out there and some we’re interviewed.
Sorry but for me it’s put a real dampener on things tonight. 👎
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It's not his fault the club had no plan for him leaving or, with plenty of time still, went for Appleton and had a poor summer.

He should have said goodbye and has acknowledged that.

I wasn't particularly wanting him back, as his leaving left a bit of a bad taste and I knew it would divide some, although it wasn't as much as I thought.

Why would it put a dampener on things, he did actually do well here.

Any new manager has to learn the squad before we decide exactly what's needed for all areas. NC at least knows much of the squad by and large.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He can’t not do the fist pump!!😲

That’s how Manager & Fans engage, it how you build a sense of togetherness, positivity and that buzz around the place that creates the platform for success.

Our fans need to drive out this negativity and jump on the bus…. We’re either in wholeheartedly or we’re not in at all…

There can be no half measures 👍👍
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Maybe he needs to fist pump the south instead, or even the west - or start with the Director's Box and branch out from there?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
What is it with Sadler and ex Pool Managers returning?
Grayson, Appleton, Critchley. 🤷‍♂️
I suppose we could have done a lot worse Who next Wor Lee, Ince, McPhillips?
I just can’t believe we’ve gone back in for someone who left us in the lurch and pretty much overnight started the relegation dog fight battle that was last season.
Far better managers out there and some we’re interviewed.
Sorry but for me it’s put a real dampener on things tonight. 👎
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If Critchley fails it will be Graysons turn again probably
 
glasshalffull said:
Would have preferred Dobbie, but there are some good reasons for going back to NC. I hope it works out 🤞.
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Why Dobbie?
You do realise that people have to have the required skills?
Dobbie can go ahead and apply for the vacant jobs in League 2 - he won't get any of them.
That's why he's reverted to the Under 23s.
Pretty sure Rochdale need a new manager. It's not just about being an ex-player, it's about the whole package.
Dobbie couldn't sign the players we need to sustain our League 1 campaign, whereas Critchley can hand-pick 20 of them at the drop of a hat.
 
voyeur said:
You'd hope SS and NC will be talking to Dobbie about his development, his value, helping him in his career. Be very poor not to. NC was valued at Liverpool and knows the value of developing all the coaching staff and them getting involved with the first team at times. We will want to bring dev squad players into the first team and the coaches to work together. Dobs could and should get a pay rise too perhaps. Handle him right, keep him on board and prepare him for the future.
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I think NC will not be too displeased if Dobbie got a gig elsewhere. Managers do not like someone hovering in the background, particularly when they are liked and applied for the same job.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I think NC will not be too displeased if Dobbie got a gig elsewhere. Managers do not like someone hovering in the background, particularly when they are liked and applied for the same job.
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Get it down on paper.


Critchley - Signed Grimshaw, Yates, Simms, Ballard, Bowler, Lavery, Ekpiteta, Gabriel, Keshi Anderson. Got us promoted first time of asking, kept us comfortably in the Championship.

Dobbie..........had 6 games as temporary manager.
 
FYForesight said:
Get it down on paper.


Critchley - Signed Grimshaw, Yates, Simms, Ballard, Bowler, Lavery, Ekpiteta, Gabriel, Keshi Anderson. Got us promoted first time of asking, kept us comfortably in the Championship.

Dobbie..........had 6 games as temporary manager.
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Think before you type, where did I advocate Dobbie as manager or state anything contrary to your post?

Jeez, you’re an angry man.
 
FYForesight said:
Why Dobbie?
You do realise that people have to have the required skills?
Dobbie can go ahead and apply for the vacant jobs in League 2 - he won't get any of them.
That's why he's reverted to the Under 23s.
Pretty sure Rochdale need a new manager. It's not just about being an ex-player, it's about the whole package.
Dobbie couldn't sign the players we need to sustain our League 1 campaign, whereas Critchley can hand-pick 20 of them at the drop of a hat.
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I for one was impressed by the way he managed to turn things around and get some half decent performances out of a broken team, and squad, AND in that league.

Not many games and not a lot to go on maybe but I think worth the risk. NC is a risk as well especially after the QPR spell.

I will be right behind him though. An automatic promotion with a very busy and full Bloomfield Road, which I think he might be capable of would be just what we need.
A good start to the season would be really helpful to unite the fanbase.
 
glasshalffull said:
I for one was impressed by the way he managed to turn things around and get some half decent performances out of a broken team, and squad, AND in that league.

Not many games and not a lot to go on maybe but I think worth the risk. NC is a risk as well especially after the QPR spell.

I will be right behind him though. An automatic promotion with a very busy and full Bloomfield Road, which I think he might be capable of would be just what we need.
A good start to the season would be really helpful to unite the fanbase.
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Dobbie had been set a very low bar after MM. We had many games where we didn't even have a proper shot on target under MM, so Dobbie had a win-win situation in terms of improving performances, if not necessarily the results.

When you mention the QPR spell for NC, you do realise he had 12 games, no transfer window and they signed him for 3.5 years.
They almost sacked Ainsworth as well. He joined a basket-case of a club, it's no reflection on his ability.
Fact remains, every player who's looked decent or been a crowd-pleaser in the time under NC, he signed them.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I think NC will not be too displeased if Dobbie got a gig elsewhere. Managers do not like someone hovering in the background, particularly when they are liked and applied for the same job.
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True but maybe SS can reassure him and set up a relationship where NC mentors SD. Which would be good for SD with NCs background and might persuade him to hang around. I dont think NC will let SDs presence bother him tbh. He's loaded already and he's not the insecure type. I think.
 
voyeur said:
You'd hope SS and NC will be talking to Dobbie about his development, his value, helping him in his career. Be very poor not to. NC was valued at Liverpool and knows the value of developing all the coaching staff and them getting involved with the first team at times. We will want to bring dev squad players into the first team and the coaches to work together. Dobs could and should get a pay rise too perhaps. Handle him right, keep him on board and prepare him for the future.
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And maybe Dobbs might be able to reciprocate with some tips on good manners and loyalty.
 
voyeur said:
True but maybe SS can reassure him and set up a relationship where NC mentors SD. Which would be good for SD with NCs background and might persuade him to hang around. I dont think NC will let SDs presence bother him tbh. He's loaded already and he's not the insecure type. I think.
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I hope you’re right, but it’ll be difficult, particularly if things don’t start well.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I hope you’re right, but it’ll be difficult, particularly if things don’t start well.
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I think you're maybe imagining issues that don't exist. The likeliest problem is that SD is feeling very deflated and unappreciated and looks for a fresh start elsewhere. Which wouldn't surprise me.
 
voyeur said:
I think you're maybe imagining issues that don't exist. The likeliest problem is that SD is feeling very deflated and unappreciated and looks for a fresh start elsewhere. Which wouldn't surprise me.
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Yes, my thoughts too re him moving on. He’s a good lad and clearly a passionate motivator. I just wonder what would have happened had he kept us up. If he’d been in place for the Cardiff game it might have happened. We’ll never know the answer.

I’m honestly not imagining issues, managers really don’t like someone hovering. I don’t think that’s just in football. Time will tell.
 
FYForesight said:
Dobbie had been set a very low bar after MM. We had many games where we didn't even have a proper shot on target under MM, so Dobbie had a win-win situation in terms of improving performances, if not necessarily the results.

When you mention the QPR spell for NC, you do realise he had 12 games, no transfer window and they signed him for 3.5 years.
They almost sacked Ainsworth as well. He joined a basket-case of a club, it's no reflection on his ability.
Fact remains, every player who's looked decent or been a crowd-pleaser in the time under NC, he signed them.
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Even if there was a low bar I think SD did well.
Sometimes you can over think things and miss opportunities! Who knows?

NC had a poor start with us and a very poor start at QPR, who timed him out. Some very good managers are like that while they put things into shape.

Ferguson had a slow start at United, and he wasn’t too bad in the end.

There are people amongst our support, not me, who will be waiting to turn on him because of the way he left. A good start to next season would be helpful.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Yes, my thoughts too re him moving on. He’s a good lad and clearly a passionate motivator. I just wonder what would have happened had he kept us up. If he’d been in place for the Cardiff game it might have happened. We’ll never know the answer.

I’m honestly not imagining issues, managers really don’t like someone hovering. I don’t think that’s just in football. Time will tell.
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I know all about managers.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Mr Sadler’s final paragraph in his statement was an interesting addition...

“I’d also like to thank Stephen Dobbie for stepping up for the final six matches of the season. He did a wonderful job in what were challenging circumstances, and I am confident he will have a successful career in first-team management in the years to come.”

I am pleased he took the opportunity to thank Mr Dobbie, that was inevitable, he deserved at least that and I hope he gets more opportunities to integrate his coaching activities with the first team squad.

But... will Critchley view that paragraph as encouraging his staff well, or as a Sword of Damocles hanging over himself, implying that Mr Dobbie is there to immediately take over full-time if he fails? And has Mr Dobbie been promised that? The last half of the 2nd sentence might indicate that.

It all feels a bit “Amateur Psychology Hour” to be honest and it might work out OK or it might lead to unnecessary friction. Well, we will see. I hope the Muckers give everyone a fair chance.
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He needs to make Dobbie no.2 in charge. Assistant manager or similar, so if it all goes tits up with Critchley, he’s got a contingency plan this time around.
 
Listening to the interview that doesn’t seem to be the plan and Dobbs will be back with the U23s
Think most will be of the view that he deserves better than that and for me it would be a great call on a number of levels if he were to be offered a place on the first team coaching staff
 
Dont know why but for me was such a strange and weird interview that video. Sat in the portacabins a good few seats apart looking and speaking to try and convince each other they have done the right thing. Didn’t feel very genuine and edited. Wonder how many takes were done plus the interviewer fancied getting himself in the video aswell im guessing so they could cut it to the answer they liked after doing a few alternatives when panning back to Sadler and Critch.
 
Martonmosser said:
Obviously upto Simon as he pays the bills at the end of the day but I was personally bored senseless by his style of play before he left…… hope it’s a bit more exciting this time round 🤔🙄
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Excitement doesn’t come into it it’s a lot more basic. For example there are Prem teams that don’t play ‘exciting football’ but they make a rich living in that Division.

Attractive style of football is a luxury especially in League 1

The first thing NC has to do is restabilise a Club that no more than 1 year ago was in a very good position in the Championship Division under his management - the car crash since also has much to do about him.

League 1 is going to be a tough division - we need to first stay in it and anything higher this season will be a bonus.

NC’s true football morals and values also need a closer examination. He owes US, the fans big time. He has the moral lead on winning the fans back - we just judge his reparation apology
 
Steve M said:
He did a runner once and he will do it again, I feel sorry for Dobbie.....
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So did Bowler, yet was welcomed back, it's football, the better talents attracting interest will always leave BFC when big. money comes in.

People can accept it for Bowler, why not NC?
 
Martonmosser said:
Obviously upto Simon as he pays the bills at the end of the day but I was personally bored senseless by his style of play before he left…… hope it’s a bit more exciting this time round 🤔🙄
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Yes agree, I was actually glad he left!! It was a boring style of football . And he has the personality of Michael Owen. The good news... Saddlers insistence of keep putting the band back together.. hopefully no more bands for him to form, well there is always Ince ,Henry, Holloway?
 
TrickyTangerine said:
Dont know why but for me was such a strange and weird interview that video. Sat in the portacabins a good few seats apart looking and speaking to try and convince each other they have done the right thing. Didn’t feel very genuine and edited. Wonder how many takes were done plus the interviewer fancied getting himself in the video aswell im guessing so they could cut it to the answer they liked after doing a few alternatives when panning back to Sadler and Critch.
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I thought Simon seemed genuinely relieved and also very happy. It's possible he uses data analysis too much, which means someone new ( like Dobbie) will be unlikely to come out on top given their lack of data. NC seemed unsure of what to say at times, given the way he left but he seems to have a good relationship with Simon and that's crucial. The interview was very carefully managed to address some of the questions being asked on social media.
 
Sunpool said:
Yes agree, I was actually glad he left!! It was a boring style of football . And he has the personality of Michael Owen. The good news... Saddlers insistence of keep putting the band back together.. hopefully no more bands for him to form, well there is always Ince ,Henry, Holloway?
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** hell, if you think the way we played football was boring, how did you cope with Appleton/McCarthy?

The football was perfectly fine.
 
“League 1 is going to be a tough division - we need to first stay in it and anything higher this season will be a bonus.”


Disagree. If Critchley is the best qualified candidate and we’ve just come down from the Championship then the requirement is to turn us into a team that goes straight back up again. Critchley and Sadler’s leeway should be much narrower than you are suggesting
 
n1ck1507 said:
You make a good point I figured I should check to see what they say... not much mixed bag...

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They really aren't afraid of appointing people who sht on them up there are they?

I thought Critch could stick out for a Championship job. Clearly some regret there.

They are welcome to him

Still doing his long Errrs in between answers I see. Bit of a nervous Nerris but then probably PTSD after managing our bunch of wet blankets.

Wish him all the very best - seemed like a thoroughly decent guy in an impossible situation here. Will be very surprised if Blackpool are not easily top six in L1 next season.

He knows the club, is unlikely to move again as he has been shat on himself, keeps the fans happy after relegation, is better than Moppy Mick and knows what it takes. Clever move by them. Good appointment for him, and he deserves a break, as he has been in the QPR mincemeat grinder.

Yeh. ive got no axe to grind with Critchley. Impossible job and also gains a bit of credibility with me for calling the players out. He was right but also possibly the wrong thing to do to get the best out of them. Ainsworth is doing the opposite and still they pretty much shat on his door step .

he will probably do a decent job there but once the s**t hit the fan here, he was totally clueless. Some very kind comments about his time here and a lot totally putting it on the players. Thats when the manager earns his salary He was incredibly uninspiring here but this move makes sense and back to square one for his management career but likely to experience greater longevity in this role and a bit fortunate to have got back his old gig IMHO !!!!

fair enough, but I bet Blackpool get promotion next season?

Good luck to him, had an impossible job here.

His "digging out of the players" was hardly fire and brimstone stuff was it? He was like Mavis from Coronation Street whining away. I'll not miss him... I don't wish him well and I hope we don't see him again anytime soon.

A nice guy. I wish him all the best

Our players quite disgracefully sold him down the river. Loads of injuries and poor attitudes. Quite sad that many, including me, judged him so much on his tepid post match interviews- which shouldn't be the way.

Wouldn't surprise me if we will be swapping places with Blackpool in 12 months time

I met Neil in week 1 (or 2) of his time here as went to watch the U18s v Spurs in Youth Cup at Stevenage. He hardly said a word when I was chatting to him, his assistant (guy from Lincoln) was very much up for a chat. I actually think Neil will do a very good job back at Blackpool in L1. Dont knock our club for appointing him as I was actually really pleased when it was announced. I dont think Pep or prime Sir Alex would have got much of a tune out of our bunch last season after Beale walked away.
 
L’étranger said:
I don’t remember too many people moaning about the style of play after that great day at Wembley.
And then to keep us up so comfortably, on a budget far lower than most, was a great effort.
If he does the same again I’m sure the vast majority of fans will be happy.
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Can’t you read? I said before he left 🙄
 
glasshalffull said:
Would have preferred Dobbie, but there are some good reasons for going back to NC. I hope it works out 🤞.
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Dobbie deserved the job the way Critchley dumped you was shocking & he didn’t even say sorry just upped sticks .
There is many things north end have done wrong .
but once a manager leaves that’s it for me .Good luck with him next season but it must leave a nasty taste with all you .Blackpool fans .
I would never trust him again if I was you .
 
Livingthedream47 said:
Dobbie deserved the job the way Critchley dumped you was shocking & he didn’t even say sorry just upped sticks .
There is many things north end have done wrong .
but once a manager leaves that’s it for me .Good luck with him next season but it must leave a nasty taste with all you .Blackpool fans .
I would never trust him again if I was you .
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To be honest any manager that does well with us will probably leave. Grayson left after promotion to the championship and Holloway left after the premiership season.
It’s nature of the beast I suppose. Looking for loyalty in this business if very rare.
Players and managers can be loyal but normally it’s because it’s in their interest to remain more than anything.
 
Critchley has been appointed now. It was done in time to prepare fully for the season and the transfer market.

Ifs buts and maybes are now irrelevant. We need to get behind the manager, stop whinging and support the club we love.

Or not. There are other clubs if you are disenchanted to a major extent.
 
clappers said:
“League 1 is going to be a tough division - we need to first stay in it and anything higher this season will be a bonus.”


Disagree. If Critchley is the best qualified candidate and we’ve just come down from the Championship then the requirement is to turn us into a team that goes straight back up again. Critchley and Sadler’s leeway should be much narrower than you are suggesting
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It should be as narrow as it would have been for Dobbie.
Figuratively speaking you want a gun to Crichleys head the whole time.
 
King Billy said:
To be honest any manager that does well with us will probably leave. Grayson left after promotion to the championship and Holloway left after the premiership season.
It’s nature of the beast I suppose. Looking for loyalty in this business if very rare.
Players and managers can be loyal but normally it’s because it’s in their interest to remain more than anything.
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But will the players he left behind trust him 🤔
 
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