Apter Loan an Oversight?

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Bloodorange

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Apter being loaned out again in the current climate appears at odds with the retention( so far anyway) of other members of the new pro stable

You would have perhaps thought that with the potential return of Wintle to Cardiff (now confirmed) long term injury to Carey plus other absentees in the midfield area his retention would have been beneficial.

Appreciate Apter will get game time at Chester but he would have been more than useful back at Pool for the foreseeable future and certainly until reinforcements arrive and or return.

If we are offering pro contracts out to others to reward and bolster the ranks Apter being allowed out to others seems a strange one.
 
Loaned out for a club in the sixth tier of the pyramid why would you think he's good enough for playing in the Championship and how hard that is.

Let him learn his trade and if he's good enough Critch ain't an idiot he'll be in the squad.

We need decent midfielders now not someone who is obviously no where near.
 
Bloodorange said:
Apter being loaned out again in the current climate appears at odds with the retention( so far anyway) of other members of the new pro stable

You would have perhaps thought that with the potential return of Wintle to Cardiff (now confirmed) long term injury to Carey plus other absentees in the midfield area his retention would have been beneficial.

Appreciate Apter will get game time at Chester but he would have been more than useful back at Pool for the foreseeable future and certainly until reinforcements arrive and or return.

If we are offering pro contracts out to others to reward and bolster the ranks Apter being allowed out to others seems a strange one.
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if he's not ready and Critch clearly thinks he isn't then what's the point him being here? Why not loan him to a club at a reasonable standard where he should get game time.
 
Bloodorange said:
Apter being loaned out again in the current climate appears at odds with the retention( so far anyway) of other members of the new pro stable

You would have perhaps thought that with the potential return of Wintle to Cardiff (now confirmed) long term injury to Carey plus other absentees in the midfield area his retention would have been beneficial.

Appreciate Apter will get game time at Chester but he would have been more than useful back at Pool for the foreseeable future and certainly until reinforcements arrive and or return.

If we are offering pro contracts out to others to reward and bolster the ranks Apter being allowed out to others seems a strange one.
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He's certainly not a replacement for Wintle. He's an attacking mid-fielder. Mariette or Trusty could fill that role but like Apter they need to play "mens" football on loan for a while before they are ready.
 
20togo said:
if he's not ready and Critch clearly thinks he isn't then what's the point him being here? Why not loan him to a club at a reasonable standard where he should get game time.
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Agree but why Chester? Are they reasonable standard? His development should now be at a higher level. I cannot see that move helping him at all I'm afraid.
 
Murciaseasider said:
Agree but why Chester? Are they reasonable standard? His development should now be at a higher level. I cannot see that move helping him at all I'm afraid.
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So you know better than the people managing his development? How much have you seen him in training and in matches? How well do you know him?
 
Murciaseasider said:
Agree but why Chester? Are they reasonable standard? His development should now be at a higher level. I cannot see that move helping him at all I'm afraid.
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Yeah I was a shade disappointed he went there. He's obviously not quite as highly rated as I thought. Hope he stands out.
 
Grayth said:
Yeah I was a shade disappointed he went there. He's obviously not quite as highly rated as I thought. Hope he stands out.
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It's a higher level than Bamber Bridge. One below National League, where he may cope, I reckon, but he's only 18. He needs somewhere he'll get a regular game.
 
We have a potential star, regular football is better than the odd cup game and spot on our bench. I'm a little surprised we didn't include him in this weekends squad and sort the loan next week however.
 
Murciaseasider said:
Agree but why Chester? Are they reasonable standard? His development should now be at a higher level. I cannot see that move helping him at all I'm afraid.
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Why? It's the same level as AFC Fylde. To suggest it won't help his development is suggesting Critchley doesn't know what he's doing. Has any club higher than a National League Conference side even come in for him? Seems not, apart from Livingston who thought he wasn't ready to step up to that level and who some on here consider to be L1/L2 standard.
 
Small players tend to be tricky and I think the lower leagues are a good place for him to learn new tricks and cope with bully defenders and pressure of winning games. Then, for the mid year on I would like to see him in League 2.
Let's not mix our apreciation of his level with the clubs that might want him. Most lower league clubs will always prioritize experience and phisicality over thechnique and promise. Let him prove that he can overcome the first two and the latter will be considered in league status next year.
Then the jump from L2 to Championship/Premiership could be a shorter one :)
 
I don't know Apter well at all but logic tells you that to develop properly he needs to be moving up a level at each stage of his development. To me that would suggest the National League as a minimum. Chester are a league below that and aren't doing nearly as well in that league as AFC Fylde. If this sort of incremental development continues he might make L2 by the time he's 30!!! 😝
 
I'm off to Bradford PA vs Chester tomorrow, hoping Apter gets a start so I can see how he performs. Think the loan will do him good overall though, good exposure to first team football and will help him more than the odd minute every now and then for us.
 
Murciaseasider said:
if this sort of incremental development continues he might make L2 by the time he's 30!!!
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or 19

one thing does make me wonder, and it's that we are sending the youngers to bottom or mid-low table teams. I would expect them to be sent in more attacking, positive teams, even if its conference north.
Although Chester had appointed a new manager a few weeks ago i believe, so it could mean a turn around for them
 
Murciaseasider said:
I don't know Apter well at all but logic tells you that to develop properly he needs to be moving up a level at each stage of his development. To me that would suggest the National League as a minimum. Chester are a league below that and aren't doing nearly as well in that league as AFC Fylde. If this sort of incremental development continues he might make L2 by the time he's 30!!! 😝
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logic tells me that Critchley is much more qualified to judge Apters career path in this stage of his development than you are. Also that he spent five months at Bamber Bridge and has now moved up a level again. I'm pretty certain his progress at Chester will be monitored with a view to assessing what is the next best move for his career development.
 
20togo said:
logic tells me that Critchley is much more qualified to judge Apters career path in this stage of his development than you are. Also that he spent five months at Bamber Bridge and has now moved up a level again. I'm pretty certain his progress at Chester will be monitored with a view to assessing what is the next best move for his career development.
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Danny Ventre regularly goes and watches the youngsters that are out on loan so the Club knows exactly how well they are doing.
 
WonderPool said:
or 19

one thing does make me wonder, and it's that we are sending the youngers to bottom or mid-low table teams. I would expect them to be sent in more attacking, positive teams, even if its conference north.
Although Chester had appointed a new manager a few weeks ago i believe, so it could mean a turn around for them
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Just a thought, the free scoring attacking teams might already be covered in those areas which may affect his game time. Perhaps better to send him somewhere where he’ll make a difference, it has to be in the interest of the club he’s joining too.
 
I'm not arguing the fact that the club has processes in place for developing youngsters, but they might not always get it right. However, if they have got this one right then it could be argued that his "improvement curve" might be starting to level out, and might cast some doubt as to whether he will eventually make it at Championship level or better. Really hope I'm wrong here but I do believe that he should be tested at a higher level than NLN.
 
Murciaseasider said:
I don't know Apter well at all but logic tells you that to develop properly he needs to be moving up a level at each stage of his development. To me that would suggest the National League as a minimum. Chester are a league below that and aren't doing nearly as well in that league as AFC Fylde. If this sort of incremental development continues he might make L2 by the time he's 30!!! 😝
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He's just moved up a level - after half a season. To the level below the one you suggest.

Not sure what the problem is tbh. If he moves up a level every half season he'll be in the Premier League in 2025 at the age of 22.
 
voyeur said:
He's just moved up a level - after half a season. To the level below the one you suggest.

Not sure what the problem is tbh. If he moves up a level every half season he'll be in the Premier League in 2025 at the age of 22.
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Fair comment. Perhaps I'm just being impatient.
 
poolseasider said:
Absolutely nothing just total guess work.

The clubs have to want your player not the other way around Chester want the lad he goes there if no on comes he stays in the youth set up with us.
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Apter isn't a Youth player. If he stays here his only playing option is irregular "bounce" games.
I can't see us having a proper development squad until the training ground is up and running and even then there's a debate to be had about the benefits of u21/23 football as opposed to loans.
 
Insider said:
Apter isn't a Youth player. If he stays here his only playing option is irregular "bounce" games.
I can't see us having a proper development squad until the training ground is up and running and even then there's a debate to be had about the benefits of u21/23 football as opposed to loans.
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He’s not but he trains with them when he’s at the club.
 
There is a romanticism on this board that the likes of Apter and Bang could walk straight in to our first team .. along with the likes of Nuttall and Lubala where truth be known they would be lambs to the slaughter. Trust the Manager who knows exactly what he's doing.
 
Downbythesea said:
There is a romanticism on this board that the likes of Apter and Bang could walk straight in to our first team .. along with the likes of Nuttall and Lubala where truth be known they would be lambs to the slaughter. Trust the Manager who knows exactly what he's doing.
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I partly agree. If one of our young players at a time was introduced into the first team they would be OK. There's evidence of this from pre-season, Lancashire Cup and bounce games.
They are certainly not ready for a full season of Championship football but "lambs to the slaughter" is the opposite end of the spectrum and more than a bit harsh.
 
Sonny Carey came from King's Lynn so no reason why after a spell at Chester he can't come back and be ready for first team action.
 
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