Are we skint?

Not sure how any fan can take issue with the club attempting to operate within its means - it’s selfish to want the current ownership to gamble away the clubs future on the hope of possibly getting lucky and ending up in the premier league. I personally want the club to be around long after I’m dead and buried and that means building for the future, and that means building for the future in 5,10, 20 and 50 years time. I think Sadler is doing that by prioritising infrastructure improvement and developing youth and development squads. Loans are clearly a bit of a stop gap to try and help the current squad whilst those youth and development squad players actually develop. If in 3/4 seasons we’ve still got 5 loan players as part of the first team squad then I’d be concerned but in the current climate, with the way the summer panned out I think it’s understandable.

The club stays up this season, brings in a decent number of good players in January and the summer and then has a couple of these youngsters being developed and pushing into the first team squad then all of a sudden things look rosy again.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Not sure how any fan can take issue with the club attempting to operate within its means - it’s selfish to want the current ownership to gamble away the clubs future on the hope of possibly getting lucky and ending up in the premier league. I personally want the club to be around long after I’m dead and buried and that means building for the future, and that means building for the future in 5,10, 20 and 50 years time. I think Sadler is doing that by prioritising infrastructure improvement and developing youth and development squads. Loans are clearly a bit of a stop gap to try and help the current squad whilst those youth and development squad players actually develop. If in 3/4 seasons we’ve still got 5 loan players as part of the first team squad then I’d be concerned but in the current climate, with the way the summer panned out I think it’s understandable.
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Within it's means ? We've made bids of God knows how much to Oxford, Sheff Weds and Accrington and signed only two players Thompson and Wright.
Must be plenty in the tank, to quote the well known voice over.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
Within it's means ? We've made bids of God knows how much to Oxford, Sheff Weds and Accrington and signed only two players Thompson and Wright.
Must be plenty in the tank, to quote the well known voice over.
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Just because you’ve got it you don’t just spend it unless what you’re spending it on is what you need and at the right value. I’m sure we could have spent the money elsewhere but I like to think we’re being a bit more savy than spending millions on plan D,E and F.

Successful clubs have a high success rate when they spend money on a player. The player usually either wins stuff or is sold on for massive profit. Where we’re at we can’t really afford for many or those gambles to not pay off - certainly not yet. Unless you’re absolutely sure you keep hold of that money and bring in a loan with a much reduced risk factor.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
Within it's means ? We've made bids of God knows how much to Oxford, Sheff Weds and Accrington and signed only two players Thompson and Wright.
Must be plenty in the tank, to quote the well known voice over.
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Those three players weren't bid at all the same like your implying so we've only got so much in the tank and we then ended up with Wright after losing out on the first three.

Unless I'm mistaken the pandemic loss has been put on our books as debt and same is happening for infrastructure plans so I presume the same would happen if we went out on splash the cash on players fees and higher wages.
Sadler has already said he won't do a Derby basically getting us hugely in debt and it all going into making players,agents and the selling club rich so that's where we are as a club.

I blame our old head coach for this summer leaving us in the crap a few days before the players where do back in training we then had to wait to employ MA he then had to access the 26 contracted players and get rid of some to create space which left us behind.
It was a Critch squad and if he would have stayed his targets would be brought in and we'd have been ready to go.
 
poolseasider said:
Those three players weren't bid at all the same like your implying so we've only got so much in the tank and we then ended up with Wright after losing out on the first three.

Unless I'm mistaken the pandemic loss has been put on our books as debt and same is happening for infrastructure plans so I presume the same would happen if we went out on splash the cash on players fees and higher wages.
Sadler has already said he won't do a Derby basically getting us hugely in debt and it all going into making players,agents and the selling club rich so that's where we are as a club.

I blame our old head coach for this summer leaving us in the crap a few days before the players where do back in training we then had to wait to employ MA he then had to access the 26 contracted players and get rid of some to create space which left us behind.
It was a Critch squad and if he would have stayed his targets would be brought in and we'd have been ready to go.
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But Bullshit Ben told us Critchley leaving wasn't a disaster as the club was set up with a clear strategy and policy
 
SomersetSeasider said:
Fuck me, Mr doom and gloom! Rome wasn’t built in a day and it’s going to take time to build up the club. He’s committed millions to the task and all some fans can do is moan and criticise when things aren’t happening fast enough! Get a grip!!!
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How is wanting the club to be better Doom and Gloom

Have you actually read what I posted?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Fuck off ...

I'm not Welsh
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In all fairness on this board there are negative and positive posters and the O/P is negative.

But in all fairness “The Welshman” 😀 does ask some “thought provoking” questions.

I don’t think we are skint, but in these “unheard of, uncertain times” I think even though you have money you don’t want to waste it.

Any expenditure carries “some” risk and so I think the focus is more on “not wanting to make a mistake” as opposed to “showing vision and making a speculative move forward”.

I still sit on the opinion that we should all stick together back the board,Appy & the players for the next five games at least.

11 points from 10 games would just about keep us up, but we don’t want “survival” we want “Progress” so from the next 5 games MUST deliver a MINiMUM of an extra 6/7 points, anything less I think SS may have to “make a change” in the coaching department UTMP 🚌🍊🧡
 
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But Bullshit Ben told us Critchley leaving wasn't a disaster as the club was set up with a clear strategy and policy
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For me that's probably the biggest mistake by owner/board thinking that the Head Coach role like they do at City & Madrid model works.

Appleton comes in wanting to play 4-3-3 he knows Bowler is leaving and all he's left with unfit Keshi,CJ,not ready Dale and having to play Yates or Lavery in the top 3.

It was Critch's squad and as soon as someone new came in we potentially where going to have problems with the model.
 
Philbfctrois said:
How is wanting the club to be better Doom and Gloom

Have you actually read what I posted?
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People who always talk about the things they don't like and the thinga which don't go perfectly are, by definition, negative.

If you had occasionally acknowledged the successes then you'd be more balanced, and perhaps not have the perception of being a negative poster.
 
Tango1953 said:
People who always talk about the things they don't like and the thinga which don't go perfectly are, by definition, negative.

If you had occasionally acknowledged the successes then you'd be more balanced, and perhaps not have the perception of being a negative poster.
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The negative posters are the ones who are just happy to have a club and who think finishing 18th would be a successful season
 
poolseasider said:
Those three players weren't bid at all the same like your implying so we've only got so much in the tank and we then ended up with Wright after losing out on the first three.

Unless I'm mistaken the pandemic loss has been put on our books as debt and same is happening for infrastructure plans so I presume the same would happen if we went out on splash the cash on players fees and higher wages.
Sadler has already said he won't do a Derby basically getting us hugely in debt and it all going into making players,agents and the selling club rich so that's where we are as a club.

I blame our old head coach for this summer leaving us in the crap a few days before the players where do back in training we then had to wait to employ MA he then had to access the 26 contracted players and get rid of some to create space which left us behind.
It was a Critch squad and if he would have stayed his targets would be brought in and we'd have been ready to go.
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Won't do a Derby?

Of course not he hasn't got 300 million to waste

What a lazy comment that was
 
Philbfctrois said:
The negative posters are the ones who are just happy to have a club and who think finishing 18th would be a successful season
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Tbf when at the end of the last season I was hoping we’d push on and this season we’d be looking at a top 10 finish and maybe even a flirtation with the playoffs. Right now however an 18th place finish would be a successful season though in my mind. Too much upheaval to hope for much more.
 
td53 said:
That's fair, but I think of myself as fairly reasonable and realistic and even I get pissed off with being 'sold' a vision that is evidently not the same as reality.

If you raise expectation then expectation will be raised....


Yeah, good post.

It's like we'd done a big spreadsheet of "what we can afford for next 5 years" based on shopping at Aldi, then randomly decided we'd go to Harrods with the same amount of money, everyone got excited and then we got to the till and had to put most of the stuff back.

It's really odd how we've not really looked below or sideways for players left out or players wanting the step up after that was our absolute food and drink.

Again, I think Mansford or Sadler would actually get a lot of credit for saying.,.

"Look, we tried fishing in a different pond and it didn't work out - we'll try a different tactic next time"

It's the fact you can imagine Mansford saying "Look, everything went to plan! We've got some of the countries brightest young talents..."

Which isn't totally untrue of course, but it feels like spin and spin irritates when some of us probably spend as much time pondering the Mighty for free as Mansford gets paid a lot to do.
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Totally agree with this but don’t think the pond analogy is ideal after the Brannigan saga.

He’s been very quiet lately BM. Best way 👍🏼
 
TangerineBayern said:
Our plans for redeveloping the ground (East Stand) have not yet been revealed and why the fuck would a struggling L2 team want a ground with that capacity?
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They're averaging about 8,000 at home in L2, and managed to get 10,000+ in for an EFL tie against Leicester, if they could push on to L1 or even the Championship, they could well draw in crowds bigger than us.
 
We’re a poorly supported club so have less money than better supported clubs.

We don’t have a super wealthy owner who is willing to throw money at it in an unsustainable way.

From what I can see, the owner wants to build the club to a point where there is an element of sustainability for the longer term. This should bring more success which is what leads to more supporters coming through the gates.

We’ve messed about with transfers but the market has been a bit mental, 1m+ for players who have never played at the level.

We have no divine right to be in this division, there are plenty of clubs in the divisions below who would get more fans at this level with the same pricing as we have currently.

The vast majority of my time supporting us has been league one, survival in the Championship is fine for me this year. Then we try and improve and go again.

The dummy spitting from our fanbase is pathetic at times, deluded people expecting us to be challenging for promotion every year.
 
The question is are we skint . The answer is no . Yet owners have to budget for the size of the club and fan base . All you seem to get on here are moaners who think they are owed explanations on our finances and how we should be spending them . Well if the Oystons had still been owners we would not have a club and there were no queues of rich people wanting to invest in something that loses money most of the time. So think yourselves lucky you bunch of moaners that you have something to moan about .
 
I just hope SS realises that the vast majority of the fan base are well happy with things and have no complaints at all and realise he is doing a fine job.

As for the minority of moaners and whingers Simon - Fcuk em

Keep doing what you are doing please.
 
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So 15th and above. Good to have a line in the sand.
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I think the question should be to the board not me

What is their ambition?

When you break down last season 16th was probably a bit disappointing

Ok we had a poor start where we looked under prepared and a poor finish when Critchley downed tools, but generally it was a decent season even if the football was dull at times
 
I think the confusing thing for me is how dead serious we were in getting Brannigan, and then the Sheffield Wednesday chap, and the centre mid from Rotherham and then the other centre mid from Sheffield Wednesday and then whoever else. Made record bids, triggered release clauses and then didn't get the deals through. We're still sat with Connolly and Dougall, who aren't ball playing central midfielders. They are deep lying Keith Southerns. And Keith Southern would be crap without the David Vaughans and Charlie Adams of this world.
 
I've just read back through this thread and, bloody hell I'm almost at the point of rigging up a hangman's noose!
Remember how we played away at QPR. That was a great win but it included Patino and Fiorini in the starting 11. Critically, we lost them to injuries during that match but even so we followed that match four days later with a good draw away at Burnley. Yes, the lads did not play too well at Huddersfield, certainly not at Rotherham and perhaps not at Millwall, but we were missing key players. A side that can perform at a high level continuously, even when having to make key changes, is usually at or near the top of the division and, importantly, well into the season. We have a lot to do before we can be that team but we are getting players back into contention. Stay positive....Up the Pool!
 
Goforgoal said:
Oh, I’m glad you sorted that out for me. And here was I masquerading under the illusion that every other club suffered under the pandemic, when all the time it was only BFC, thanks for putting me straight.👍
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Yeah but every club doesn’t have just 8,000 season ticket holders in the championship. Does that simplify it for you?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The strategy was out of the window as soon as we tried to sign Brannagan, again.

I don't see any plan apart from who can we get in that will agree terms and some loanees.

I don't think we're skint but our transfer strategy is utter bollocks.
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Gutted we didn’t get Brannagan.
 
Goforgoal said:
I know nothing about high finance, nor asset management or block buying or anything else of that ilk. All I have is a couple of questions, why are we suddenly operating on a shoestring? and what has happened to as soon as permission is approved on the training ground there will be “ spades in the ground” It must be very hard ground because those spades are having trouble breaking the first sod.🤷
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Do you really believe it won’t happen?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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Maybe Sadler is about to sell. Would explain a lot.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I think the confusing thing for me is how dead serious we were in getting Brannigan, and then the Sheffield Wednesday chap, and the centre mid from Rotherham and then the other centre mid from Sheffield Wednesday and then whoever else. Made record bids, triggered release clauses and then didn't get the deals through. We're still sat with Connolly and Dougall, who aren't ball playing central midfielders. They are deep lying Keith Southerns. And Keith Southern would be crap without the David Vaughans and Charlie Adams of this world.
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Plus neither of them are fit to lace Keith's boots!!
 
Surely SS knows someone, also very rich, from Blackpool who is a Pool fan who might join him in the quest for improvement?
Is he the only very rich Pool fan?
P.S. Also, surely SS knows more then one rich person, not necessarily a Pool fan, who might want to join him in his Pool venture?
Please don't say KoKo. 😉
 
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Goforgoal said:
I really believe nothing has happened yet.
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We’ve secured a site and bought the land so something has happened. It’s a big project and could take years but it’s relatively quick considering the prior 30 years of false promises.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
We’ve secured a site and bought the land so something has happened. It’s a big project and could take years but it’s relatively quick considering the prior 30 years of false promises.
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I’m not disputing any of that. Mansford said at least 12 months ago, when all permissions are secured there will be spades in the ground. Permissions were secured several months ago, yet nothing has happened, nothing, why? I didn’t expect the thing to be half built by now, but I did expect something happening, but as I said nothing.
 
Goforgoal said:
I’m not disputing any of that. Mansford said at least 12 months ago, when all permissions are secured there will be spades in the ground. Permissions were secured several months ago, yet nothing has happened, nothing, why? I didn’t expect the thing to be half built by now, but I did expect something happening, but as I said nothing.
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I think you have to take what Bullshit Ben says with a large bucket of salt
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
We’ve secured a site and bought the land so something has happened. It’s a big project and could take years but it’s relatively quick considering the prior 30 years of false promises.
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Yes the site has been secured, but has it been bought? If so, point me in the right definitive direction, I keep asking but never get the appropriate reply.

If it was me I wouldn't 'buy' the land until I was certain full pp will be granted and that's likely to be next spring at the earliest
 
fcblackpool said:
Yes the site has been secured, but has it been bought? If so, point me in the right definitive direction, I keep asking but never get the appropriate reply.

If it was me I wouldn't 'buy' the land until I was certain full pp will be granted and that's likely to be next spring at the earliest
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The club statement said we’d exchanged contracts which I took as the land being bought but I’m no development expert.
 
Goforgoal said:
I’m not disputing any of that. Mansford said at least 12 months ago, when all permissions are secured there will be spades in the ground. Permissions were secured several months ago, yet nothing has happened, nothing, why? I didn’t expect the thing to be half built by now, but I did expect something happening, but as I said nothing.
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Planning permission has not yet been granted
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In answer to the O/P, I suppose it depends what your definition of ‘skint’ is. We certainly don’t have the resources that some Clubs seem to have and we’re unlikely to be putting the business in significant debt like many others.

From what I’ve seen, if you get yourself a decent Manager then there’s no real need to be spunking silly money.
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Don’t want us to spunk silly money but the Brannigan and bishop deals both of whom are bagging goals and would improve are starting 11 were a farce.
 
Fatboy said:
Planning permission has not yet been granted 👍
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It was mid May 22 when the club announced that contracts had been exchanged for
the new training ground to be built on Garstang Road. (only 4 months ago)
It said that both council's (Blackpool & Wyre) had been very helpful and keen for it
to go ahead.
It also said that there would be lots to do over the coming months, before things
could progress.
I have no doubt that an announcement will be made when that progression has been
made and something is worth announcing.
This is a major development and these things take considerable time.
 
Goforgoal said:
I’m not disputing any of that. Mansford said at least 12 months ago, when all permissions are secured there will be spades in the ground. Permissions were secured several months ago, yet nothing has happened, nothing, why? I didn’t expect the thing to be half built by now, but I did expect something happening, but as I said nothing.
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Did I hear somewhere that there was an environmental issue (toads/newts or something else) or have I imagined that??? 🤔
 
RP North Stand said:
It’s the type of player we were getting under Critch. The wages were affordable for our club. Dougal - Barnsley, Dale - Crewe, Yates - Swindon. All on wages we can afford to pay we cannot afford 14k like Cameron is on at Oxford. They sold players to be able to afford his wages.
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