At what point are we in full support?

You don't think he's doing his best?

What an utter load of bollocks.
Insightful as always. Is he playing players out of position? Yes or no? Is he playing tactics that play to the strengths of the players we have rather than what he may wish he had? Yes or no? Are we repeating the same mistakes we were making weeks ago defending? Do we have a plan b or is it one tactic fits all? You think he’s doing his best? I don’t. I see a man whose ego gets in the way of his team and his growth as a manager.
 
Insightful as always. Is he playing players out of position? Yes or no? Is he playing tactics that play to the strengths of the players we have rather than what he may wish he had? Yes or no? Are we repeating the same mistakes we were making weeks ago defending? Do we have a plan b or is it one tactic fits all? You think he’s doing his best? I don’t. I see a man whose ego gets in the way of his team and his growth as a manager.
As Lytham says what utter bollocks.
Who are all these players out of position Dembele who came as a winger?
Or are you going down the CJ/Dale which now a lot of teams play with the wrong main foot on the other aside?
As to tactics do you actually go to games as I've seen it change like last night it was 3-4-3 as to say NC is not trying to do his best is total Internet Bull from folk behind a keyboard but hey they know better.

Go and listen to the Jordan Rhodes interview from the other day to have a true reflection on Critchley,someone with a wealth of experience who is loving his time with us and couldn't wait to stay with him.

Last night we beat a Lge 1 first team with our second string and some youngsters,is it perfect no football in the third division rarely is.

Yet you Critchley haters just keep sniping away even after a win pathetic.
 
Insightful as always. Is he playing players out of position? Yes or no? Is he playing tactics that play to the strengths of the players we have rather than what he may wish he had? Yes or no? Are we repeating the same mistakes we were making weeks ago defending? Do we have a plan b or is it one tactic fits all? You think he’s doing his best? I don’t. I see a man whose ego gets in the way of his team and his growth as a manager.
I think you're confusing being stubborn and making mistakes with not putting effort in.

He clearly wants to play his way instead of making mend, how many successful managers have just muddled through?

He's six months in to the job, the system he wants could take time and it looks like a dog's dinner at times, but he's working in League One with a mediocre budget, shit takes time, so you either buy in to this or shout for the latest golden boy*, then six months later shout for the next golden boy, up to you.

*Dobbie currently, 50% win ratio over six dead rubber games where he just had to let the players off the leash because it was more or less meaningless. He could be great, but he's not had to plan a season etc...
 
** comparing Billy Ayre and Critchley is ridiculous. How Billly would have loved the tools that Critchley has been provided with.
 
Let’s assume you are an adult although it’s tough to tell from your writing/thought process. Dismissive comment, name calling aside Rhodes being happy is irrelevant to the points I brought up and in answering is Critchley doing his best. Also irrelevant is what other teams are doing with their playing staff. Is he making the best of the staff he has? I tried to help you not wriggle by giving you yes or no options. Do you feel we defended well against Burton or Forest? I don’t waste my energy hating. I spend my energy nurturing and building. I think Critchley if he can get out of his own way can be a fine manager but it’s time to show it otherwise it’s QPR deux for him and he will have wasted the best managerial opportunity he is ever going to have. Screw up Blackpool and it’s all downhill for him. Sadler has to be out of league one to have a viable business plan.
 
Neil isn’t going to change the formation now he’s got a system and he’s sticking to it which you have to admire really it’s just the man management side of things that confuses a player can have a great game one week then get dropped the next but then he has his favourites that will get in even being played out of position.
As for the Villa situation I think most folk are over that I wasn’t bothered when he went I didn’t like him last time and I don’t this time either but we’re stuck with him so until something changes we have to get behind the team
 
I think you're confusing being stubborn and making mistakes with not putting effort in.

He clearly wants to play his way instead of making mend, how many successful managers have just muddled through?

He's six months in to the job, the system he wants could take time and it looks like a dog's dinner at times, but he's working in League One with a mediocre budget, shit takes time, so you either buy in to this or shout for the latest golden boy*, then six months later shout for the next golden boy, up to you.

*Dobbie currently, 50% win ratio over six dead rubber games where he just had to let the players off the leash because it was more or less meaningless. He could be great, but he's not had to plan a season etc...
His one way can evolve but his primary job is to serve the best needs of the club and maximize the resources he has now. He has had great support in accomplishing that both verbally and with a check book from SS. Nothing to do with Dobbie or others. Is he doing his primary purpose to the best of his abilities and your answer would suggest he’s not. Being stubborn is not doing your primary job. Making mistakes is fine and a healthy part of growth if you learn from those mistakes and pivot or adapt. Our failure to defend as a team and give opponents so much space and time six months in is not showing a manager doing his best. Whatever the problem address the need. Every player should know what is expected of them.
 
Neil isn’t going to change the formation now he’s got a system and he’s sticking to it which you have to admire really it’s just the man management side of things that confuses a player can have a great game one week then get dropped the next but then he has his favourites that will get in even being played out of position.
As for the Villa situation I think most folk are over that I wasn’t bothered when he went I didn’t like him last time and I don’t this time either but we’re stuck with him so until something changes we have to get behind the team
So would you say a manager who doesn’t operate on merit for his team and who tries to put a square in a round hole is doing his best?
 
His one way can evolve but his primary job is to serve the best needs of the club and maximize the resources he has now. He has had great support in accomplishing that both verbally and with a check book from SS. Nothing to do with Dobbie or others. Is he doing his primary purpose to the best of his abilities and your answer would suggest he’s not. Being stubborn is not doing your primary job. Making mistakes is fine and a healthy part of growth if you learn from those mistakes and pivot or adapt. Our failure to defend as a team and give opponents so much space and time six months in is not showing a manager doing his best. Whatever the problem address the need. Every player should know what is expected of them.
It's everything to do with Dobbie or others, because if you sack the manager you need to get another one.
 
Neil isn’t going to change the formation now he’s got a system and he’s sticking to it which you have to admire really it’s just the man management side of things that confuses a player can have a great game one week then get dropped the next but then he has his favourites that will get in even being played out of position.
As for the Villa situation I think most folk are over that I wasn’t bothered when he went I didn’t like him last time and I don’t this time either but we’re stuck with him so until something changes we have to get behind the team
How could you not have liked him last time?
Was it his appalling failure to get promoted to the premier league?
Getting promoted in his first full season when he inherited a very mediocre League 1 squad and then going on to comfortably survive in the Championship. I'm lost for words that wasn't good enough for some people
 
So would you say a manager who doesn’t operate on merit for his team and who tries to put a square in a round hole is doing his best?
It’s probably the best that he can do but it falls short of whats good enough for us it was a bad move getting him back I’d be very surprised if we broke into that top 6 at any point this season one can only hope now.
 
How could you not have liked him last time?
Was it his appalling failure to get promoted to the premier league?
Getting promoted in his first full season when he inherited a very mediocre League 1 squad and then going on to comfortably survive in the Championship. I'm lost for words that wasn't good enough for some people
He’s just a weasel isn’t he doesn’t come across well in interviews throws his players under the bus, pig headed, plays his favourites, Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived he always favoured Madine over him and played him up front on his own. While we have him in charge we will always have a negative approach to games let’s face it, it was backs to the wall in the championship we did defend well but we were lucky on occasions sheff utd away as an example that’s what all this 5 at the back bollocks is all about defending only it’s not working but he won’t change it his elite coaching course has told him not to change it. He’ll never amount to anything as soon as he’s gone from here he’ll fade away or get another number two/coaching role.
 
I am exceptionally disappointed in the performances at Cambridge, Burton and Port Vale and I do not put that down to the players. Forest was a much better performance and at the very least has restored my flagging moral somewhat, although off to Stevenage and my lad is going to Bristol Rovers. More crap performances may be rescued if we beat Forest mind you; but from now on its about results for me.
So who do you put the performances at those games quoted down to?
 
He’s just a weasel isn’t he doesn’t come across well in interviews throws his players under the bus, pig headed, plays his favourites, Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived he always favoured Madine over him and played him up front on his own. While we have him in charge we will always have a negative approach to games let’s face it, it was backs to the wall in the championship we did defend well but we were lucky on occasions sheff utd away as an example that’s what all this 5 at the back bollocks is all about defending only it’s not working but he won’t change it his elite coaching course has told him not to change it. He’ll never amount to anything as soon as he’s gone from here he’ll fade away or get another number two/coaching role.
Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived-

Yes sold for a few million with higher wages than us and a player brought in which Swansea had turned down a big bid previously.

Stop posting twaddle.
 
He’s just a weasel isn’t he doesn’t come across well in interviews throws his players under the bus, pig headed, plays his favourites, Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived he always favoured Madine over him and played him up front on his own. While we have him in charge we will always have a negative approach to games let’s face it, it was backs to the wall in the championship we did defend well but we were lucky on occasions sheff utd away as an example that’s what all this 5 at the back bollocks is all about defending only it’s not working but he won’t change it his elite coaching course has told him not to change it. He’ll never amount to anything as soon as he’s gone from here he’ll fade away or get another number two/coaching role.

I'll ignore the name calling of Critchley, it's very childish.
We experienced life in the championship under two other coaches who inherited Critchley's squad. IMO we had a much more negative approach under both of these two with Appleton frequently undermining the squad in public. Tactically neither were anywhere near Critchley in making the most of the limitations we had. And of course, we ended up being relegated whilst with Critchley we survived comfortably. All managers play their favorites because football is about opinions and they will prefer some players over others. Fair enough you don't like him, but do the critics understand that their negativity about the manager may also have an impact on team performance?
 
He still has support from most of our group, it doesn't mean we blindly follow whatever Critchley does and there's been plenty of frustration this season. We're all disappointed with our league position and some of the results we've had but we're long enough in the tooth to know that things can take time and jumping from one manager to another doesn't guarantee instant success.

Ian Evatt has been given time to get out of this league and they're not guaranteed promotion this year but they've improved year on year. We've got a rebuild on our hands and that can take a few windows, we all wanted an immediate return but it might take a couple of seasons to get it right. We're playing competitive sport where there's probably 10 clubs who think they can challenge and only three promotion places, there's no guarantees in football.

We've had a mixed bag so far, some good points and some low points but it's not enough for him to lose his job... yet. We don't want to be a club who sacks managers when we're 8th with an outside chance. Admittedly, I do worry for him with a tough run of fixtures but I'll be fully behind him and the team and I believe we can get some positive results.
 
I don’t think we were comfortable when he left us . I felt he’d run out of ideas and got out whilst the going was good.
More nonsense.

Previous to our last 2 league games where the players had basically put their towels on the beach already.

Won at Barnsley
Drew at Luton who needed 3 points to secure a play off spot.
Had our biggest win of the season putting 6 past Birmingham.

That ain't a Coach devoid of ideas.
 
He still has support from most of our group, it doesn't mean we blindly follow whatever Critchley does and there's been plenty of frustration this season. We're all disappointed with our league position and some of the results we've had but we're long enough in the tooth to know that things can take time and jumping from one manager to another doesn't guarantee instant success.

Ian Evatt has been given time to get out of this league and they're not guaranteed promotion this year but they've improved year on year. We've got a rebuild on our hands and that can take a few windows, we all wanted an immediate return but it might take a couple of seasons to get it right. We're playing competitive sport where there's probably 10 clubs who think they can challenge and only three promotion places, there's no guarantees in football.

We've had a mixed bag so far, some good points and some low points but it's not enough for him to lose his job... yet. We don't want to be a club who sacks managers when we're 8th with an outside chance. Admittedly, I do worry for him with a tough run of fixtures but I'll be fully behind him and the team and I believe we can get some positive results.
Very balanced.
 
He’s just a weasel isn’t he doesn’t come across well in interviews throws his players under the bus, pig headed, plays his favourites, Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived he always favoured Madine over him and played him up front on his own. While we have him in charge we will always have a negative approach to games let’s face it, it was backs to the wall in the championship we did defend well but we were lucky on occasions sheff utd away as an example that’s what all this 5 at the back bollocks is all about defending only it’s not working but he won’t change it his elite coaching course has told him not to change it. He’ll never amount to anything as soon as he’s gone from here he’ll fade away or get another number two/coaching role.
The mind boggles
 
He's not for me. I think he's flawed. The way he left indicates to me (IMHO before the NC lovers jump on) there is something missing in his character. If an employee of mine fekd off in that manner - I've no issue with why he left, just the lack of backbone/integrity in the manner he did it - I wouldn't be inclined to re-hire them when it went tits up for them. His stubborness is odd. His decision making baffles. Especially when many many fans can see what the principal issues are, they are not addressed.

I don't necessarily want him out (and he's going nowhere is he?) because it's bad way to run a club. I would rather give him the season to put it right, but short of a very positive window changing things I've written off the season. The believers say we should all support and not criticise. I go along and support but if I'm frustrated I'll voice it and discuss on here with my fellow fans.

"....but do the critics understand that their negativity about the manager may also have an impact on team performance?" if they let criticism affect their performance then they need to grow a pair or move on. My view is that their manager's tactics may be impacting their performance more than fans calling them out.

Up the Pool. 🧡
 
More nonsense.

Previous to our last 2 league games where the players had basically put their towels on the beach already.

Won at Barnsley
Drew at Luton who needed 3 points to secure a play off spot.
Had our biggest win of the season putting 6 past Birmingham.

That ain't a Coach devoid of ideas.
The same bag of ideas that got him fired at QPR?
 
He's not for me. I think he's flawed. The way he left indicates to me (IMHO before the NC lovers jump on) there is something missing in his character. If an employee of mine fekd off in that manner - I've no issue with why he left, just the lack of backbone/integrity in the manner he did it - I wouldn't be inclined to re-hire them when it went tits up for them. His stubborness is odd. His decision making baffles. Especially when many many fans can see what the principal issues are, they are not addressed.

I don't necessarily want him out (and he's going nowhere is he?) because it's bad way to run a club. I would rather give him the season to put it right, but short of a very positive window changing things I've written off the season. The believers say we should all support and not criticise. I go along and support but if I'm frustrated I'll voice it and discuss on here with my fellow fans.

"....but do the critics understand that their negativity about the manager may also have an impact on team performance?" if they let criticism affect their performance then they need to grow a pair or move on. My view is that their manager's tactics may be impacting their performance more than fans calling them out.

Up the Pool. 🧡
So we are back to 'the way that he left' being at the root of all this antipathy, Critchley is certainly a heart breaker!
Do you understand that Critchley probably had no choice in whether or not he issued a farewell statement / interview. What would you do if somebody offered to treble or quadruple your salary? And he left the club with a large compo payment, which is far better outcome than all of our recent coaches who were fired by the owner and will have cost the club money.

The negative, flat atmosphere at the club at the moment may well have an effect. We need to build the atmosphere of being on a bandwagon that keeps getting stronger and stronger - the fans played a part in the perfect 10 for instance. Fans can and should lift the team when they need it. Get over it, Critchley stays and we need to support him.
 
He’s just a weasel isn’t he doesn’t come across well in interviews throws his players under the bus, pig headed, plays his favourites, Jerry was soon out the door when he arrived he always favoured Madine over him and played him up front on his own. While we have him in charge we will always have a negative approach to games let’s face it, it was backs to the wall in the championship we did defend well but we were lucky on occasions sheff utd away as an example that’s what all this 5 at the back bollocks is all about defending only it’s not working but he won’t change it his elite coaching course has told him not to change it. He’ll never amount to anything as soon as he’s gone from here he’ll fade away or get another number two/coaching role.
The mind boggles, obviously your the font of all knowledge who would you have in charge?
 
So we are back to 'the way that he left' being at the root of all this antipathy, Critchley is certainly a heart breaker!
Do you understand that Critchley probably had no choice in whether or not he issued a farewell statement / interview. What would you do if somebody offered to treble or quadruple your salary? And he left the club with a large compo payment, which is far better outcome than all of our recent coaches who were fired by the owner and will have cost the club money.

The negative, flat atmosphere at the club at the moment may well have an effect. We need to build the atmosphere of being on a bandwagon that keeps getting stronger and stronger - the fans played a part in the perfect 10 for instance. Fans can and should lift the team when they need it. Get over it, Critchley stays and we need to support him.
Not at the root of ALL apathy, Burro. As I said, for me its not a boo-hoo moment, its just an insight into his character. Of course, none of that would mean sh*t if we were having a good season.

Yeh okay, atmosphere is flat. So get selection right, play decent football and the volume will go up - ie the perfect 10. Don't blame the fans for an underwhelming season.
 
He's not for me. I think he's flawed. The way he left indicates to me (IMHO before the NC lovers jump on) there is something missing in his character. If an employee of mine fekd off in that manner - I've no issue with why he left, just the lack of backbone/integrity in the manner he did it - I wouldn't be inclined to re-hire them when it went tits up for them. His stubborness is odd. His decision making baffles. Especially when many many fans can see what the principal issues are, they are not addressed.

I don't necessarily want him out (and he's going nowhere is he?) because it's bad way to run a club. I would rather give him the season to put it right, but short of a very positive window changing things I've written off the season. The believers say we should all support and not criticise. I go along and support but if I'm frustrated I'll voice it and discuss on here with my fellow fans.

"....but do the critics understand that their negativity about the manager may also have an impact on team performance?" if they let criticism affect their performance then they need to grow a pair or move on. My view is that their manager's tactics may be impacting their performance more than fans calling them out.

Up the Pool. 🧡
None of us know why he never said anything or put out correspondence regarding him leaving, he might of not been able to say anything no one knows, certain deals do have clauses where things can't be said. i think it went tits up for the club not him that's why they did re-hire him. When you say his decision making baffles can you give me an example.
 
Hopefully he will never change formation so you don't have to bother anymore, anyway are your team keeping Lowe as manager or will he be sacked
So you'd rather Critchley keep the formation and we continue to lose away from home just so you can wind up other fans? You sure you aren't the Nobber?
 
actually amazing that people still haven't got over this really
I think it's a bit lazy to assume people's objections to Critchley's return are purely based on his departure. Personally I couldn't give two hoots about him leaving, that's football, there is absolutely no loyalty in the game. My objection to his return we're based on the fact that his brand of football is horrible.
 
Or presumably when the formation works consistently?
It never well. The defence is all over the place. The only chance of that happening is if we sign a leader at centre half who can organise the other two. It's like watching kids football how we defend at times.
 
Expecting a better 2nd half of the season the fall out from last season now washed from the players and getting used to the new system. That should see us comfortably in the play offs, a couple weeks f quality additions to the team and we can still threaten the top two. Manage to go up and this system is far more suited to the Championship
 
So you'd rather Critchley keep the formation and we continue to lose away from home just so you can wind up other fans? You sure you aren't the Nobber?
I am certainly not one of them, I personally don't have a problem with the formation, as i have said previously i don't think we are a million miles away from being a good side.
 
Not at the root of ALL apathy, Burro. As I said, for me its not a boo-hoo moment, its just an insight into his character. Of course, none of that would mean sh*t if we were having a good season.

Yeh okay, atmosphere is flat. So get selection right, play decent football and the volume will go up - ie the perfect 10. Don't blame the fans for an underwhelming season.
You avoided the question;
What would you if someone offered to treble your salary?
I'd leave my current job despite the fact that it would leave them with a project that was unfinished. That is what Critchley did, I don't think it says anything about him at all. Stop holding a grudge, it's a football team not a marriage. Critchley's strength is developing talent, I'm glad we have got him. It's the only way a club of our size can compete.
 
Like Ian Holloway then.

WTF QPR has to do with us who are on manager number 5 in just over 18 months complete basket case.
Silly boy you just proved my point. Ian Holloway ran out of ideas at Crystal Palace. Tony Pulis took over and same players suddenly knew how to defend.
 
You avoided the question;
What would you if someone offered to treble your salary?
I'd leave my current job despite the fact that it would leave them with a project that was unfinished. That is what Critchley did, I don't think it says anything about him at all. Stop holding a grudge, it's a football team not a marriage. Critchley's strength is developing talent, I'm glad we have got him. It's the only way a club of our size can compete.

Read my post again "I've no issue with why he left......".

His talent development skills are top notch this seasons aren't they. F**k me, Lyons, Elpiteta, Thompson, Norburn have all gone backwards this season. Carey is, at best, at a stand still. And good luck to genius Critch in getting a tune out of TOB. Dale and Casey came back better players than when they left! You Critchley fan boys need to open your fkn eyes.
 
None of us know why he never said anything or put out correspondence regarding him leaving, he might of not been able to say anything no one knows, certain deals do have clauses where things can't be said. i think it went tits up for the club not him that's why they did re-hire him. When you say his decision making baffles can you give me an example.
BFC I haven't got time mate. I've wasted half an hour on your fellow fanboy - the numberless donkey.

Selection & tactics covers it. If you think he's doing a brilliant job then good for you. If we make the play offs I'll bare my arse on 7.03 from Starr Gate.
 
This thread is one that is going to be fascinating to return to in years to come but one thing I'd ask for those who are dismissive of Critchley (and actually some downright rude) who would you want in and can you really see them doing better?
Listen to all the pundits and opposition managers and all have the warmest of compliments for our manager and they have way more credibility than someone who hides behind a username.
 
Expecting a better 2nd half of the season the fall out from last season now washed from the players and getting used to the new system. That should see us comfortably in the play offs, a couple weeks f quality additions to the team and we can still threaten the top two. Manage to go up and this system is far more suited to the Championship
‘Comfortably in the play offs’ and ‘We can still threaten the top two’.
Have you looked at the league table?
 
This thread is one that is going to be fascinating to return to in years to come but one thing I'd ask for those who are dismissive of Critchley (and actually some downright rude) who would you want in and can you really see them doing better?
Listen to all the pundits and opposition managers and all have the warmest of compliments for our manager and they have way more credibility than someone who hides behind a username.
I'm sure he is a nice guy and others are complimentary about him as a coach. I prefer to judge on the fact we have been absolutely shambolic away from home and continue to be so.
 
BFC I haven't got time mate. I've wasted half an hour on your fellow fanboy - the numberless donkey.

Selection & tactics covers it. If you think he's doing a brilliant job then good for you. If we make the play offs I'll bare my arse on 7.03 from Starr Gate.
i was only asking a question no need to be funny and what you mean fellow fanboy - obviously another clueless idiot who hasn't got a clue
 
He's not for me. I think he's flawed. The way he left indicates to me (IMHO before the NC lovers jump on) there is something missing in his character. If an employee of mine fekd off in that manner - I've no issue with why he left, just the lack of backbone/integrity in the manner he did it - I wouldn't be inclined to re-hire them when it went tits up for them. His stubborness is odd.

That's what you wrote in your first answer. That reads like you do very much have an issue with him leaving the first time around. And you haven't answered my question - I have though - in the same sort of situation I would do what Critchley did. I'd leave my job if somebody else made me a significantly better offer.
If we had sacked Critchley for under performance you wouldn't give him a second thought.

As for the second part of your answer you are again letting emotion interfere with business decisions. If Critchley was the best man for the job then business sense says we should employ him. That is what Sadler believes. He didn't let his fragile ego get in the way of hard headed business.

You sign off with UTP. Whilst our fans are busy undermining our manager at every opportunity it destroys momentum. If you want the best for the club then back the manager. Unlike many experts on here, I believe that Critchley knows more than I do about where people should play. It's frustrating when things don't go well, but I don't turn against the club every time something goes wrong. That is called insubordination.
 
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