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Adams Kebab

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I’m not sure if it’s the system or formation or the players being used but I’m really not sure what we are trying to do?!

Neither wing-back gets wide and past their man to whip crosses in, we have to rely on left centre-half James Husband for that. One of the wing-backs wouldn’t be bothered if he didn’t touch the ball the whole game, infact I think he’d be relieved- I’ll let you work out which one, I’ll give you a clue, he makes Elliott Grandin look like Bear Grylls and it’s not Andy Lyons.

The midfield 3 has Norburn sitting with the other 2 advanced in the ‘8’s’ role but I’m not sure if they’ve been told to not dribble with the ball or just don’t seem to look like they can do it.

We’ve got a 6ft 2 centre forward who rarely wins headers and on the off chance he does, there’s nobody close to him. He’s not mobile either and can’t hold the ball up, just to add to the mix.

We’ve got a centre back who’s being asked to play like Franz Beckenbauer which is highlighting that the ball at his feet isn’t his game, badly. He’s hitting long diagonals to the forward above who can’t win headers.

I’m not really sure what we are trying to do or the pattern of play but one thing is for sure, if the game is to sell Bowler and Yates in the last 12 months and not spend any of this on quality players to be top of the balance sheet league then I’m not really feeling it.

If it’s all being set up to sign Gary Madine for f all then it’s a no from me, although I’d have him over Jake Beesley any match.

The lack of options via the bench highlighted by the 1st sub Matty Virtue coming on to change the game 5 years after we’ve signed him, isn’t where it’s at.

Nobody wants us to go mad on transfers, but we need some quality and we need to spend some of the money we’ve raised by selling to do it. Norburn is quality and you have to spend to get it. We’ve raised money to reinvest.

We need attacking width & physicality in attack.

A big couple of weeks to sort this out or the promotion push as a minimum isn’t going to be happening…

Get that fooking chequebook out.
 
Not sure why Lyon’s is getting a free pass. He was utterly dreadful, far worse than CJ. Beesley and Morgan have to go asap neither anywhere near good enough for a team hopi for promotion. Morgan ok as a squad player but Beesley good grief
 
Beesley is so weak. Madine injured would be better for now. Norborn is getting frustrated as he’s are only quality and can see him getting injured with him constantly having to cover others errors. Very frustrating today
 
Memphisboy said:
Not sure why Lyon’s is getting a free pass. He was utterly dreadful, far worse than CJ. Beesley and Morgan have to go asap neither anywhere near good enough for a team hopi for promotion. Morgan ok as a squad player but Beesley good grief
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A tad harsh on Lyons, he's a decent player that looked far better against better opposition last season. Tactics and team selection are possibly inhibiting him as they are CJ, IMO! There's also the blatantly obvious issue of being up against teams that just want to stop you playing football, in this division.

Edited to add... We are, quite obviously, one of the teams that just want to stop the opposition playing football, right now!
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m not sure if it’s the system or formation or the players being used but I’m really not sure what we are trying to do?!

Neither wing-back gets wide and past their man to whip crosses in, we have to rely on left centre-half James Husband for that. One of the wing-backs wouldn’t be bothered if he didn’t touch the ball the whole game, infact I think he’d be relieved- I’ll let you work out which one, I’ll give you a clue, he makes Elliott Grandin look like Bear Grylls and it’s not Andy Lyons.

The midfield 3 has Norburn sitting with the other 2 advanced in the ‘8’s’ role but I’m not sure if they’ve been told to not dribble with the ball or just don’t seem to look like they can do it.

We’ve got a 6ft 2 centre forward who rarely wins headers and on the off chance he does, there’s nobody close to him. He’s not mobile either and can’t hold the ball up, just to add to the mix.

We’ve got a centre back who’s being asked to play like Franz Beckenbauer which is highlighting that the ball at his feet isn’t his game, badly. He’s hitting long diagonals to the forward above who can’t win headers.

I’m not really sure what we are trying to do or the pattern of play but one thing is for sure, if the game is to sell Bowler and Yates in the last 12 months and not spend any of this on quality players to be top of the balance sheet league then I’m not really feeling it.

If it’s all being set up to sign Gary Madine for f all then it’s a no from me, although I’d have him over Jake Beesley any match.

The lack of options via the bench highlighted by the 1st sub Matty Virtue coming on to change the game 5 years after we’ve signed him, isn’t where it’s at.

Nobody wants us to go mad on transfers, but we need some quality and we need to spend some of the money we’ve raised by selling to do it. Norburn is quality and you have to spend to get it. We’ve raised money to reinvest.

We need attacking width & physicality in attack.

A big couple of weeks to sort this out or the promotion push as a minimum isn’t going to be happening…

Get that fooking chequebook out.
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Agree with most of the assessment on todays game but I would add a couple of caveats.

The defence looks quite solid and untroubled by any opposition. Their greatest rap on is Marv’s distribution.

Norburn aside the other midfielders are simply not working hard enough. They should be following up forward passes and harrying the opposition as well as dropping back to win possession. Carey, Weir and Morgan have all failed so far.

Morgan delivers a decent dead ball though.

CJ has worked quite hard but needs to be influencing games with his pace. Lyons doesn’t look fit yet.

I’ve defended him before but Beesley is either not yet ready or not good enough. He doesn’t seem to have the physical strength to lead the line or force himself onto 50/50 chances.

If he does win a header nobody anticipates the drop of the ball.

Thank god we have Lavery.
 
Chunkylad said:
I’m fairness there’s not a lot wrong with that summary from the past 3 games.
It’s still too early to panic however we need that target man in asap
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I think we need a few in but a target man who actually holds the ball up is essential.

Then just need our wing-backs to get beyond their defence and cross the ball.

Was hoping to see more from Weir today, hopefully he grows into it.
 
Nothing has changed...we still need 3-4 quality players in...if we dont get them then we are going to find it hard work...Im still not convinced there is any money whatsoever to spend and that seems very odd given the money in from Bowler Yates and Critchley. As I have said elsewhere we would be goosed without Norburn's quality in midfield. Beesley is not the answer up top and we are running out of time to find a replacement...finally where is the communication regarding the whereabouts of Joseph, Trybull and Thompson?
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Nothing has changed...we still need 3-4 quality players in...if we dont get them then we are going to find it hard work...Im still not convinced there is any money whatsoever to spend and that seems very odd given the money in from Bowler Yates and Critchley. As I have said elsewhere we would be goosed without Norburn's quality in midfield. Beesley is not the answer up top and we are running out of time to find a replacement...finally where is the communication regarding the whereabouts of Joseph, Trybull and Thompson?
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There’s obviously a serious issue with Joseph but rather than just be honest and tell us that the chunk of the Yates deal signing is goosed for 2 months or whatever we’ve got to guess and watch Beesley.

I know he’s not the answer right now but I don’t see the problem in having Brad Holmes on the bench as an option upfront. Instead of nobody.
 
Insider said:
His stats today showed he won 11/17.
It's debateable who's fault it is that they don't go to a team mate and I'm not particularly defending Beesley just giving some facts.
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Interesting 👍🏼

He doesn’t seem to head it to anyone, whether that’s bodies around him or direction I don’t know.

I’m not seeing him as a target man but then if he’s not that, what is he?
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m not sure if it’s the system or formation or the players being used but I’m really not sure what we are trying to do?!

Neither wing-back gets wide and past their man to whip crosses in, we have to rely on left centre-half James Husband for that. One of the wing-backs wouldn’t be bothered if he didn’t touch the ball the whole game, infact I think he’d be relieved- I’ll let you work out which one, I’ll give you a clue, he makes Elliott Grandin look like Bear Grylls and it’s not Andy Lyons.

The midfield 3 has Norburn sitting with the other 2 advanced in the ‘8’s’ role but I’m not sure if they’ve been told to not dribble with the ball or just don’t seem to look like they can do it.

We’ve got a 6ft 2 centre forward who rarely wins headers and on the off chance he does, there’s nobody close to him. He’s not mobile either and can’t hold the ball up, just to add to the mix.

We’ve got a centre back who’s being asked to play like Franz Beckenbauer which is highlighting that the ball at his feet isn’t his game, badly. He’s hitting long diagonals to the forward above who can’t win headers.

I’m not really sure what we are trying to do or the pattern of play but one thing is for sure, if the game is to sell Bowler and Yates in the last 12 months and not spend any of this on quality players to be top of the balance sheet league then I’m not really feeling it.

If it’s all being set up to sign Gary Madine for f all then it’s a no from me, although I’d have him over Jake Beesley any match.

The lack of options via the bench highlighted by the 1st sub Matty Virtue coming on to change the game 5 years after we’ve signed him, isn’t where it’s at.

Nobody wants us to go mad on transfers, but we need some quality and we need to spend some of the money we’ve raised by selling to do it. Norburn is quality and you have to spend to get it. We’ve raised money to reinvest.

We need attacking width & physicality in attack.

A big couple of weeks to sort this out or the promotion push as a minimum isn’t going to be happening…

Get that fooking chequebook out.
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But the lower down the league you are and the lateness to make firm (even in gambly) purchases means there’s nothing to buy or tge ‘quality’ isn’t the slightest bit interested

I hope things pick up

I do know one thing Trybull was a good player and if he’s fit he should be starting

I only hope we don’t follow last season’s shambles but there’s plenty on this board who seem to think it’s miles better to be in L1 than the Championship ! That’s their level of satisfaction not mine - same with the League Cup draw ‘let’s get Salford’ (who no doubt would demolish us if they can get it past Grimsham

It’s NC’s mess and he has to sort it but I warn fans - there will not be any money because there probably isn’t any !
 
Adams Kebab said:
We’ve got a centre back who’s being asked to play like Franz Beckenbauer which is highlighting that the ball at his feet isn’t his game, badly. He’s hitting long diagonals to the forward above who can’t win headers.
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And the other interesting stat is that Eky completed the most passes in the match 73/84 (87%) - both teams.
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
There wasn't any effort by the club to keep us in the Championship, I doubt there will be any extra effort to get us back. I somtimes wonder if League 1 is really where the club wants us to be.
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Ultimately noone really knows because Sadler isn't the most forthcoming which, to be fair is possibly a necessity in his position.

He's been a Blackpool fan all his life though so he knows the championship is the aim, as it should be. We're not Shrewsbury Town, I believe that if he thought there was no chance we could sustain championship football on his watch then he'd look to sell.

Norburn, Pennington and Joseph will be on a decent wage for league one (I'd guess 8-9k a week) as will 4-5 of our existing squad. Hopefully the funds are still there for 2-3 more in this bracket but I reckon we're top 6 wage bill wise.
 
Insider said:
And the other interesting stat is that Eky completed the most passes in the match 73/84 (87%) - both teams.
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As I've pointed out before, he's not the worst passer, he just struggles when put under the pressure of having no outlet. I also noticed him passing well with his right and left foot today!
 
Insider said:
And the other interesting stat is that Eky completed the most passes in the match 73/84 (87%) - both teams.
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Which just goes to show the stats are interesting and helpful sometimes but can also completely skew the reality of what your eyes see.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Which just goes to show the stats are interesting and helpful sometimes but can also completely skew the reality of what your eyes see.
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I couldn't get to Bloomfield Rd today so I had to make do with watching online.
Whilst seeing the game in the flesh does give you a better overall impression, TV viewing allows you to see in better detail individuals plusses and minuses.
Early on I thought Eky was doing a lot better on the ball but of course he makes some bad passes and because we are all watching out for his mistakes that's what we remember. The other Eky stat is he had the most touches (90) of any Blackpool player today. Its usually Hubby (85).
On Beesley I actually said during the game that he'd won a lot of headers. I could be cruel and say the ball hit him on the head 11 times. He did have nearly twice as many touches (43) as Lavery (22) though.
I'm as disappointed and as bored as everyone else by the the last couple of performances but first time round we had a far worse start under Critch so I'll cut him some slack for a little bit longer.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m not sure if it’s the system or formation or the players being used but I’m really not sure what we are trying to do?!

Neither wing-back gets wide and past their man to whip crosses in, we have to rely on left centre-half James Husband for that. One of the wing-backs wouldn’t be bothered if he didn’t touch the ball the whole game, infact I think he’d be relieved- I’ll let you work out which one, I’ll give you a clue, he makes Elliott Grandin look like Bear Grylls and it’s not Andy Lyons.

The midfield 3 has Norburn sitting with the other 2 advanced in the ‘8’s’ role but I’m not sure if they’ve been told to not dribble with the ball or just don’t seem to look like they can do it.

We’ve got a 6ft 2 centre forward who rarely wins headers and on the off chance he does, there’s nobody close to him. He’s not mobile either and can’t hold the ball up, just to add to the mix.

We’ve got a centre back who’s being asked to play like Franz Beckenbauer which is highlighting that the ball at his feet isn’t his game, badly. He’s hitting long diagonals to the forward above who can’t win headers.

I’m not really sure what we are trying to do or the pattern of play but one thing is for sure, if the game is to sell Bowler and Yates in the last 12 months and not spend any of this on quality players to be top of the balance sheet league then I’m not really feeling it.

If it’s all being set up to sign Gary Madine for f all then it’s a no from me, although I’d have him over Jake Beesley any match.

The lack of options via the bench highlighted by the 1st sub Matty Virtue coming on to change the game 5 years after we’ve signed him, isn’t where it’s at.

Nobody wants us to go mad on transfers, but we need some quality and we need to spend some of the money we’ve raised by selling to do it. Norburn is quality and you have to spend to get it. We’ve raised money to reinvest.

We need attacking width & physicality in attack.

A big couple of weeks to sort this out or the promotion push as a minimum isn’t going to be happening…

Get that fooking chequebook out.
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Well said!!
 
Mr Tangerine Man said:
I see, then why wasn't there any effort to keep us there.
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There were huge mistakes made, obviously but the loan wages for Poveda, Bowler, Patino etc would have been huge (for us) but yeah the permanent signings were lacking and the whole stated club philosophy went out of the window, but it's not like we didn't spend, we just spent badly and when you're operating with a bottom 4 budget to begin with it's gonna be fatal.
 
Insider said:
I couldn't get to Bloomfield Rd today so I had to make do with watching online.
Whilst seeing the game in the flesh does give you a better overall impression, TV viewing allows you to see in better detail individuals plusses and minuses.
Early on I thought Eky was doing a lot better on the ball but of course he makes some bad passes and because we are all watching out for his mistakes that's what we remember. The other Eky stat is he had the most touches (90) of any Blackpool player today. Its usually Hubby (85).
On Beesley I actually said during the game that he'd won a lot of headers. I could be cruel and say the ball hit him on the head 11 times. He did have nearly twice as many touches (43) as Lavery (22) though.
I'm as disappointed and as bored as everyone else by the the last couple of performances but first time round we had a far worse start under Critch so I'll cut him some slack for a little bit longer.
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Marv played the most passes and had the most touches because as the middle CB in a back 3, he is always the free man. The problem is that when he receives the ball, he doesn't know what to do with it. They didn't bother pressing him because he wasn't a threat with it. He played a simple pass, lost it or hit and hoped. He's not suitable for the role he's being asked to play. In that position they need to carry the ball into midfield or play a pass through the lines and Marv can't really do that. He's a wonderful defender, but in possession he has really struggled.
 
In an attacking sense, this team isn't nearly as good as the one that got promoted. We need the club to unearth a couple more players like Yates and Anderson, and we need to be looking at the released prem academy players, which is where you get the likes of Bowler and Brannagan.
So far we've signed some very decent defensive players, but we haven't at all addressed the attacking quality that we've lost.

There's time to sort it out, but in some transfer windows we've decided to stick with what we've got instead of pushing the boat out slightly, in the hope that we can get the players we want for a better price the following year (that's how I see it anyway). We absolutely can't afford to do that this window if we want to get promoted. With the current team, I'm not convinced we'll make double figures in the goals for column by Christmas.
 
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