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bleach51

bleach51

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I see the BBC intend to make a TV “drama” or whatever they want to call it about Jimmy Saville.

Who in their right mind would want to watch this as so called entertainment.

And Steve Coogan is going to play the part....says it all🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮.
 
bleach51 said:
I see the BBC intend to make a TV “drama” or whatever they want to call it about Jimmy Saville.

Who in their right mind would want to watch this as so called entertainment.

And Steve Coogan is going to play the part....says it all🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮.
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I know Coogans Aunt and Uncle. Lovely people, however, the few times I've met him I've found him to be a right bellend.

Mind you, so much less of a bell than Saville. OP is right, why watch this nonsense
 
I absolutely won’t watch it 😡

Coogan stated that the story needs to be told. I’m not sure it has to be dramatised for viewing purposes though to be honest.
Maybe some will find it acceptable viewing but it’s not for me or the faint hearted.

I’ve been a fan of Coogan for a while, but he does come across as very self-important sometimes.

Almost bought his biog today, but a lot of reviewers don’t seem so keen on him or the book 😳
 
Yes, it sounds difficult. But, isn't that what good drama does...challenge us? If everything was as soporific as the repetative home buying programmes then that really would be the end of mass market TV. No, let's see how uncomfortable it makes us. That's what good telly should do. From Cathy Come Home onwards.
 
Lala said:
I absolutely won’t watch it 😡

Coogan stated that the story needs to be told. I’m not sure it has to be dramatised for viewing purposes though to be honest.
Maybe some will find it acceptable viewing but it’s not for me or the faint hearted.

I’ve been a fan of Coogan for a while, but he does come across as very self-important sometimes.

Almost bought his biog today, but a lot of reviewers don’t seem so keen on him or the book 😳
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That self importance is exactly how he is
 
So the very organization that knew about it as far back as 1978(click the link) and did nothing about it are happy to do a drama about it.

Sick as the sickest sicko that was ever a sicko.

 
1966_and_all_that said:
Yes, it sounds difficult. But, isn't that what good drama does...challenge us? If everything was as soporific as the repetative home buying programmes then that really would be the end of mass market TV. No, let's see how uncomfortable it makes us. That's what good telly should do. From Cathy Come Home onwards.
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Well enjoy it if you can.Personally I won’t be watching and I’m not sure why being made to feel uncomfortable is what appears in your opinion to be worthwhile.Perhaps in my simple way I just like to be entertained but not with this sort of thing.
 
I wonder if they are going to include the numerous times the BBC were informed about his perverse behaviour and did sweet FA about it? In my opinion, the reason JS did not get brought to justice when he was alive is because of what he knew, or in other words the names of others in very powerful positions who also had similar 'tastes' to him. I think that was his 'stay out of jail card'. If I go down, you all go down with me! For those that think the justice system is fair, I think the sordid JS scandal shows that it is absolutely not. And don't get me started on the peodo prince....
 
I have a feeling the bbc will keep a lot of things that happened will not be included in this
Was he not mates with sutcliffe or visited him he was sick dirty chunt who got away with it for years because of people turning a blind eye
 
Lala said:
I absolutely won’t watch it 😡

Coogan stated that the story needs to be told. I’m not sure it has to be dramatised for viewing purposes though to be honest.
Maybe some will find it acceptable viewing but it’s not for me or the faint hearted.

I’ve been a fan of Coogan for a while, but he does come across as very self-important sometimes.

Almost bought his
Lala said:
I absolutely won’t watch it 😡

Coogan stated that the story needs to be told. I’m not sure it has to be dramatised for viewing purposes though to be honest.
Maybe some will find it acceptable viewing but it’s not for me or the faint hearted.

I’ve been a fan of Coogan for a while, but he does come across as very self-important sometimes.

Almost bought his biog today, but a lot of reviewers don’t seem so keen on him or the book 😳
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Lala ,cant understand why anyone would want to watch this ,documentary or film ,or why anyone would want to make a film about a convicted (I won't say the word) I'll say criminal ,it's criminal that any person with family morals would even want to get paid to be part of this trash ! I too certainly won't watch this.
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Mark_GT said:
Given how their senior management turned a blind eye to the rumours and evidence you'd think they would want this story buried as deeply as possible.
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Everyone turned a blind eye, including the police, the Royal family, politicians...

He wont be the first monster who's crimes have been turned in to a drama, look at Dennis Nilsen for example, although Coogan isn't in the same league as David Tennant.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Yes, it sounds difficult. But, isn't that what good drama does...challenge us? If everything was as soporific as the repetative home buying programmes then that really would be the end of mass market TV. No, let's see how uncomfortable it makes us. That's what good telly should do. From Cathy Come Home onwards.
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But this is real life and there are many many people around who were affected by his actions. They won’t see it as good drama but making them live through it again. A bit like sick psychopaths who force their victims to take the stand in court despite evidence being stacked against them except in this case Seville’s not around to get a kick out of it
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Everyone turned a blind eye, including the police, the Royal family, politicians...
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You’re spot on Lytham and whilst Savile is at the extreme and very creepy end of the paedo range, there were also plenty of other famous people (with a more acceptable face) at it…

It was even brushed aside in families, with folk choosing to find the ‘dirty uncle’ a source for amusement…. We all watched and frankly enjoyed the film ‘Bob Rita & Sue 2’ .

BBC drama is usually top notch, so don’t see any reason why this won’t be the same…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re spot on Lytham and whilst Savile is at the extreme and very creepy end of the paedo range, there were also plenty of other famous people (with a more acceptable face) at it…

It was even brushed aside in families, with folk choosing to find the ‘dirty uncle’ a source for amusement…. We all watched and frankly enjoyed the film ‘Bob Rita & Sue 2’ .

BBC drama is usually top notch, so don’t see any reason why this won’t be the same…
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I used to have a bit of a thing for Michelle Holmes...
 
It’s all about choice isn’t it.
If someone wants to watch it fair do’s.

I can only speak for myself.

The hypocrisy of the BBC on this one is quite startling though.
Unless the ‘drama’ alluded to and accepts its part in enabling his actions.

True story child rape isn’t something I will ever want to see dramatised for entertainment purposes. Makes me want to vomit at the mere thought of watching it.

Unless they omit from the ‘storyline’ the 12 kids he raped too 🤔

We’re all different individuals though so each to their own.
 
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Drama isn't simply entertainment. Jimmy McGovern's Hillsborough for example. It sheds light on institutional failings and fires a sense of injustice. Why shouldn't this do the same?

If the BBC ignore Saville, they're sweepimg it under the carpet, if they confront their own history then they're hypocrites. It feels a bit like they can't win.
 
At the end of the day “The BBC” is just a collective of individual people and so it is constantly changing and evolving.

I can see how individuals could be hypocritical, because individuals make choices, but not ‘an organisation’

I’d expect any dramatisation would be dealt with respectfully and accurately and I’m not sure the BBC have ever shyed away from challenging themselves either..

Maybe best to actually wait and see, rather than pre-judging on the basis of what really just amounts to a name and an idea…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re spot on Lytham and whilst Savile is at the extreme and very creepy end of the paedo range, there were also plenty of other famous people (with a more acceptable face) at it…

It was even brushed aside in families, with folk choosing to find the ‘dirty uncle’ a source for amusement…. We all watched and frankly enjoyed the film ‘Bob Rita & Sue 2’ .

BBC drama is usually top notch, so don’t see any reason why this won’t be the same…
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Err with respect no we didn’t all watch said film....in fact never heard of it and glad not too.

i just guess my idea of entertainment is a lot different from some on here which is fair enough.
 
I’d rather not wait and see. I don’t want to see.

But again that’s a personal choice on my part. If you include all the details as you would have to in an accurate true life portrayal drama then I know here and now that I won’t be watching.

And if you don’t include all the details then the drama isn’t a story that needs to be told as it isn’t the full story or a true and accurate portrayal.

Either way I’m out 😳
 
bleach51 said:
I see the BBC intend to make a TV “drama” or whatever they want to call it about Jimmy Saville.

Who in their right mind would want to watch this as so called entertainment.

And Steve Coogan is going to play the part....says it all🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮.
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I want to watch it. Anyone that wants to ignore this filth and close their eyes to the horrors of what this man did disturbs me.
 
Lala said:
I’d rather not wait and see. I don’t want to see.

But again that’s a personal choice on my part. If you include all the details as you would have to in an accurate true life portrayal drama then I know here and now that I won’t be watching.

And if you don’t include all the details then the drama isn’t a story that needs to be told as it isn’t the full story or a true and accurate portrayal.

Either way I’m out 😳
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I think there are ways of effectively dramatising a story like this with appropriate level of respect and sensitivity and we have a great track record for producing some fantastic and challenging drama in this country. “Three Girls” being a recent example tackling a similar subject.

Appreciate it might not be to your taste LALA and I’m not challenging you on that at all👍, but I do think that what we imagine with these things might be quite different to how they turn out…

If it’s bad, then the public and critics will let them know about it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re spot on Lytham and whilst Savile is at the extreme and very creepy end of the paedo range, there were also plenty of other famous people (with a more acceptable face) at it…

It was even brushed aside in families, with folk choosing to find the ‘dirty uncle’ a source for amusement…. We all watched and frankly enjoyed the film ‘Bob Rita & Sue 2’ .

BBC drama is usually top notch, so don’t see any reason why this won’t be the same…
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Surely it was Rita, Sue and Bob too .......as it rhymed mate 😁
 
td53 said:
Drama isn't simply entertainment. Jimmy McGovern's Hillsborough for example. It sheds light on institutional failings and fires a sense of injustice. Why shouldn't this do the same?

If the BBC ignore Saville, they're sweepimg it under the carpet, if they confront their own history then they're hypocrites. It feels a bit like they can't win.
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Christ, Hillsborough was just harrowing but a must watch.
 
The story needs to be told if not only helps us understand what happens but lessons to be learned in the future.

The subject matter might not feel right but how excellent the Stephen Lawrence drama is brilliant drama which makes you think.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think there are ways of effectively dramatising a story like this with appropriate level of respect and sensitivity and we have a great track record for producing some fantastic and challenging drama in this country. “Three Girls” being a recent example tackling a similar subject.

Appreciate it might not be to your taste LALA and I’m not challenging you on that at all👍, but I do think that what we imagine with these things might be quite different to how they turn out…

If it’s bad, then the public and critics will let them know about it.
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Fair points Bifster.

I’m led by my own personal tolerance levels when it comes to viewing things like this. I don’t have a high tolerance level to be honest with this kind of stuff.

My emotional side, my mental side and even my stomach couldn’t tolerate watching this, because even if they don’t highlight in any detail his worst crimes I already know they exist 😡😡

I know others are different so fair do’s 👍
 
What’s a real shame is that we can’t gather evidence and take the beast to court posthumously and behind closed doors in a legal capacity.

That would really be taking action, acknowledging and accepting his crimes, letting his story be told legally and his legacy officially be known.
 
Lala said:
What’s a real shame is that we can’t gather evidence and take the beast to court posthumously and behind closed doors in a legal capacity.

That would really be taking action, acknowledging and accepting his crimes, letting his story be told legally and his legacy officially be known.
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Hstory is everyone knows he was a Pervert and plenty let him indulge his perversions but he will never have to pay for them sadly

I’d exhume his bones if he was buried and build them into a Urinal so we could all visit and piss on him 👍
 
Lala said:
Fair points Bifster.

I’m led by my own personal tolerance levels when it comes to viewing things like this. I don’t have a high tolerance level to be honest with this kind of stuff.

My emotional side, my mental side and even my stomach couldn’t tolerate watching this, because even if they don’t highlight in any detail his worst crimes I already know they exist 😡😡

I know others are different so fair do’s 👍
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I hope it isn't about the gory detail of his worst offences but about how the culture and society enabled those crimes to happen which is an important thing to consider.

Simply put - Saville was never caught or brought to justice. He was connected in a way we still don't understand to something that protected him. That's the story that matters to the wider public.

I agree that it may seem a strange subject for drama but when we dramatise things, people gain a connection, an empathy, a horror perhaps that the news and documentaries don't achieve and maybe that fires people to think about how we ensure that the next Saville (and there will be one) isn't protected in the same way.

I wouldn't suggest you watch it! You're response is perfectly reasonable. There's plenty I choose not to watch on TV (I hate crime dramas about dead kids, I just can't watch them, it's too much) but I think it is possible that the story could look at quite how he got away with it as opposed to focussing on the acts of abuse and therefore have a social purpose.

I agree entirely that simply showing how an adult can manipulate and coersce a child isn't really a basis for a TV drama I want to watch but there's potentially more to it than that. I love Coogan, but he is an arrogant knob - I can't imagine however, he'd have been into this if it wasn't something of substance. I can't see him signing up just to play a creepy cartoon if there wasn't a social point being made about power and it's misuse. He's an arrogant swine but he's not stupid.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Hstory is everyone knows he was a Pervert and plenty let him indulge his perversions but he will never have to pay for them sadly

I’d exhume his bones if he was buried and build them into a Urinal so we could all visit and piss on him 👍
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When I read about this drama today I must admit it’s the first time I felt like getting a contract out on a dead man !
Or just jumping on his head myself.

I seriously never have feelings like that normally. Part of is it is because he got away with it in the living world and that sucks.
 
Lala said:
What’s a real shame is that we can’t gather evidence and take the beast to court posthumously and behind closed doors in a legal capacity.

That would really be taking action, acknowledging and accepting his crimes, letting his story be told legally and his legacy officially be known.
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What troubles me is that he cannot possibly have acted alone and he had such a set of famous and influential friends that I end up thinking 'hmmmm'

Not all of them are dead either I'd wager. It just seems to simple and easy to make him the figure of public hate (I mean, he is rightly so) but the idea of him as a lone wolf who deluded and tricked everyone he met is too simplistic. I mean, we know more or less that the BBC ignored what they knew, but the idea that that stopped at the BBC is naive.
 
td53 said:
What troubles me is that he cannot possibly have acted alone and he had such a set of famous and influential friends that I end up thinking 'hmmmm'

Not all of them are dead either I'd wager. It just seems to simple and easy to make him the figure of public hate (I mean, he is rightly so) but the idea of him as a lone wolf who deluded and tricked everyone he met is too simplistic. I mean, we know more or less that the BBC ignored what they knew, but the idea that that stopped at the BBC is naive.
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Absolutely it couldn’t have stopped at the BBC. Culpability is probably very very far reaching 😩
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re spot on Lytham and whilst Savile is at the extreme and very creepy end of the paedo range, there were also plenty of other famous people (with a more acceptable face) at it…

It was even brushed aside in families, with folk choosing to find the ‘dirty uncle’ a source for amusement…. We all watched and frankly enjoyed the film ‘Bob Rita & Sue 2’ .

BBC drama is usually top notch, so don’t see any reason why this won’t be the same…
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Brings to mind “Wicked Uncle Ernie” as portrayed by Keith Moon in the pompously named ‘Rock Opera’ Tommy.
 
Slightly off tangent but…

I was watching a TED talk recently about role play and dramatisation…. In actual fact, the dramatisation and playing out of tragic and historical events is very much a part of our human culture… A big and important part of how we process things and learn. (And especially important in how kids develop)👍

So the idea of dramatisation is probably pretty normal really.
 
bleach51 said:
Err with respect no we didn’t all watch said film....in fact never heard of it and glad not too.

i just guess my idea of entertainment is a lot different from some on here which is fair enough.
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You should have...there’s some top Nobbing in it 👍🍆
 
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