Be Proud of what you've done says Johnson

catinstalbans

catinstalbans

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Be proud of what?

Killing 10s of thousands by sending infected patients back into care homes.
Killing dozens of NHS workers by failing to supply adequate PPE.
Appointing a Tory Peer, friend and multiple failed business leader to run Track and trace via a private company with a long history of failures in the public service.
Corruptly giving NHS contracts to all and sundry regardless of experience in the sector as long as they have links to the Conservative Party.
Defending a pay cut to NHS staff after all the extra work, anguish and exhaustion caused by working through the pandemic.
Continuing the by stealth privatisation of the NHS.
Being a shield for Boris Johnson's own corruption, negligence and incompetence.
We know that to the billionaire press backers and seemingly its voters that the thousands of unnecessary deaths don’t matter.
For the Prime Minister, though it will more likely be the last reason as all he cares about is himself.
 
All verifiable as you well know.
Infected patients were sent into care homes. Fact
NHS workers did not have the correct PPE at the start of the pandemic. Fact
Dido Harding is a conservative peer. Fact
Matt Hancock awarded a contract to his former local pub owner to make vials for Covid tests but had no prior experience producing medical supplies. Fact
April's inflation rate was 1.5%. It has since risen. Therefore a 1% pay increase is a de facto pay cut. Fact.
In February 500,000 patients were passed into the hands of a GP service run by a US health insurer. Fact.
Boris Johnson is quoted as saying "let the bodies pile up" Fact.
He also described Matt Hancock as "** useless". Fact. So why keep in the role if it wasn't for a convenient scapegoat. This is admittedly opinion but shared by millions.
So what exactly has been made up?
 
catinstalbans said:
All verifiable as you well know.
Infected patients were sent into care homes. Fact
NHS workers did not have the correct PPE at the start of the pandemic. Fact
Dido Harding is a conservative peer. Fact
Matt Hancock awarded a contract to his former local pub owner to make vials for Covid tests but had no prior experience producing medical supplies. Fact
April's inflation rate was 1.5%. It has since risen. Therefore a 1% pay increase is a de facto pay cut. Fact.
In February 500,000 patients were passed into the hands of a GP service run by a US health insurer. Fact.
Boris Johnson is quoted as saying "let the bodies pile up" Fact.
He also described Matt Hancock as "** useless". Fact. So why keep in the role if it wasn't for a convenient scapegoat. This is admittedly opinion but shared by millions.
So what exactly has been made up?
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We understand you hate Boris (and all Tories) - as a matter of interest who would be your preferred choice as PM ?
 
catinstalbans said:
Be proud of what?

Killing 10s of thousands by sending infected patients back into care homes.
Killing dozens of NHS workers by failing to supply adequate PPE.
Appointing a Tory Peer, friend and multiple failed business leader to run Track and trace via a private company with a long history of failures in the public service.
Corruptly giving NHS contracts to all and sundry regardless of experience in the sector as long as they have links to the Conservative Party.
Defending a pay cut to NHS staff after all the extra work, anguish and exhaustion caused by working through the pandemic.
Continuing the by stealth privatisation of the NHS.
Being a shield for Boris Johnson's own corruption, negligence and incompetence.
We know that to the billionaire press backers and seemingly its voters that the thousands of unnecessary deaths don’t matter.
For the Prime Minister, though it will more likely be the last reason as all he cares about is himself.
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The sad thing is that if we had an truely independent and unbiased media the voting public would now be aware of all of this and would be demanding a public execution or a very long prison sentence. A submissive and complicit media (including the BBC) has enabled this to all go unchecked. The other fact to consider is that this corrupt government still have 'emergency powers'. That should scare the sh*t out of all of us. Emergency powers for this lot = dictatorship...
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
The sad thing is that if we had an truely independent and unbiased media the voting public would now be aware of all of this and would be demanding a public execution or a very long prison sentence. A submissive and complicit media (including the BBC) has enabled this to all go unchecked. The other fact to consider is that this corrupt government still have 'emergency powers'. That should scare the sh*t out of all of us. Emergency powers for this lot = dictatorship...
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The reality is that the OP's claims are fabricated or at least wildly exaggerated and it is the independent media that allows them to persist.
  • 98%+ of cases in care homes originated in the community;
  • PPE supply was a global problem;
  • awarding of contracts looked at in detail by NAO and claims debunked;
  • claims about contracts demonstrate fundamental misunderstanding about how government procurement works;
  • Harding was also chair of NHS improvement and thus available at short notice;
  • Similar charges were laid against the appointment of Kate Bingham to the vaccines taskforce (oddly Cat has gone quiet about that one);
and so on.
 
Tut tut Lost Seasider - you should know better than to contradict Cat and the morally superior lefty clique - you must know by now, they are NEVER wrong and alternate views, opinions (or even facts) are not acceptable or up for debate - just accept they are always right and all will be well with the world 👍
 
Did Hancock break the law over Covid contracts. Yes or No?
Did the NAO you are so fond of quoting find that
”The National Audit Office (NAO) said that the government had failed to provide adequate documentation showing how some key decisions were reached, including why particular suppliers were chosen or how potential conflicts of interest were handled." Yes or No?
Contracts totalling £10.5bn have been awarded without a competitive tender process, the NAO found. Yes or No?
Is the 1% pay rise a pay cut once inflation is taken into account? Yes or No?
Have 500,000 patients been passed over to a private US health insurance provider?
Is Boris Johnson "We will fix the crisis in social care once and for all - with a clear plan we have prepared.” quoted 2 years ago on his first day as Prime Minister, in fact a liar? Yes or No?
 
A cottage in St. Albans has been raided by security services and a local resident and 2 men, 1 from Mexborough another from Catford have been taken away for questioning.
 
20togo said:
I think the fact that in nearly nine hours since Cat made his o/p he only got two short replies. It shows what a repetitively agenda driven poster he is. Barely anyone interested in your regurgitated nonsense.
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Last post you said that about got a respectable 50+ replies. It is not my problem if Conservative leaning posters can't refute the facts or put up a coherent argument to defend the policies of the government they support.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The reality is that the OP's claims are fabricated or at least wildly exaggerated and it is the independent media that allows them to persist.
  • 98%+ of cases in care homes originated in the community;
  • PPE supply was a global problem;
  • awarding of contracts looked at in detail by NAO and claims debunked;
  • claims about contracts demonstrate fundamental misunderstanding about how government procurement works;
  • Harding was also chair of NHS improvement and thus available at short notice;
  • Similar charges were laid against the appointment of Kate Bingham to the vaccines taskforce (oddly Cat has gone quiet about that one);
and so on.
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I don't often post on this side of the board but the above statements are amongst the most ridiculous apologist drivel I've read in many a month. Harding was available at short notice - brilliant.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The reality is that the OP's claims are fabricated or at least wildly exaggerated and it is the independent media that allows them to persist.
  • 98%+ of cases in care homes originated in the community;
  • PPE supply was a global problem;
  • awarding of contracts looked at in detail by NAO and claims debunked;
  • claims about contracts demonstrate fundamental misunderstanding about how government procurement works;
  • Harding was also chair of NHS improvement and thus available at short notice;
  • Similar charges were laid against the appointment of Kate Bingham to the vaccines taskforce (oddly Cat has gone quiet about that one);
and so on.
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What makes you think the media are independent Lost? I'm not having a go, just curious?
 
Mark_GT said:
I don't often post on this side of the board but the above statements are amongst the most ridiculous apologist drivel I've read in many a month. Harding was available at short notice - brilliant.
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I agree Mark, and it's also important to be alert people to the fact that politcial institutions have developed strategies of infiltrating all sorts of social media chatrooms (iincluding ones like this for example) to defend their actions/behaviour and spout their propaganda. AI tech also in play to facilitate this. Remember Cambridge Analytica?
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I agree Mark, and it's also important to be alert people to the fact that politcial institutions have developed strategies of infiltrating all sorts of social media chatrooms (iincluding ones like this for example) to defend their actions/behaviour and spout their propaganda. AI tech also in play to facilitate this. Remember Cambridge Analytica?
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Ah, so your spad alert has gone of too then Atletico? 👍
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I disagree JCN, the only reason 'what a' cock got outed was because the people at the top wanted this to happen. Tell me this, what has he done that Johnson hasn't? Remember Jeneifer 'special tech advisor' Acuri?
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Absolutely nothing - Boris is probably worse and everyone knows that but he seems to get away with it - not sure why - maybe it's because the opposition are completely inept or people just accept he is openly dodgy - who knows ??
 
Usual stuff from the o/p, but it’s like hearing a football manager who, after yet another heavy home defeat, blames the opposition tactics, the poor ref, the apathetic crowd, the adverse weather conditions etc etc.

Surely there comes a point whereby said manager needs to look at his own dressing-room & seek to create a team capable of overcoming the difficult factors they may encounter, and start winning games on their own merit?

Just a thought….
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
What makes you think the media are independent Lost? I'm not having a go, just curious?
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Well, the media isn't a single entity, in terms of news output I count:
  • 4 - 5 major TV broadcasters plus numerous more questionable ones;
  • 10 or so national daily newspapers, plus numerous weekly or regional publications;
  • various radio broacasters;
  • grey/social media output;
so may I reverse the question, which of the above don't you think are independent.
 
Mark_GT said:
I don't often post on this side of the board but the above statements are amongst the most ridiculous apologist drivel I've read in many a month. Harding was available at short notice - brilliant.
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That's your opinion, but I can source every statement I made:


Lost Seasider said:
98%+ of cases in care homes originated in the community
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PHE report estimates 1.6% of care home cases were connected to hospital releases.

If you think about it this is logical, as a proportion of persons going into and out of care homes residents going to/from hospital is tiny, thus the effect of hospital release is also likely to be tiny.


Lost Seasider said:
PPE supply was a global problem
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Couple of articles from March 2020:
https://www.who.int/news/item/03-03...quipment-endangering-health-workers-worldwide
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-shortage.html


Lost Seasider said:
awarding of contracts looked at in detail by NAO and claims debunked;
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https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...VID-19-pandemic.pdf#page=26&zoom=auto,290,842


Lost Seasider said:
claims about contracts demonstrate fundamental misunderstanding about how government procurement works;
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See above


Lost Seasider said:
Harding was also chair of NHS improvement and thus available at short notice;
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What part do you disagree with?


Lost Seasider said:
Similar charges were laid against the appointment of Kate Bingham to the vaccines taskforce (oddly Cat has gone quiet about that one);
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https://order-order.com/2021/06/23/jolyon-maugham-abandons-vaccine-hero-smear-project/
 
Boris just been on the news explaining Hancock had to go. He'll say absolutely anything to make him popular
 
Lost Seasider said:
Well, the media isn't a single entity, in terms of news output I count:
  • 4 - 5 major TV broadcasters plus numerous more questionable ones;
  • 10 or so national daily newspapers, plus numerous weekly or regional publications;
  • various radio broacasters;
  • grey/social media output;
so may I reverse the question, which of the above don't you think are independent.
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Surely it's about content rather than number? North Korea has quite a few media organisations and how many of those do you think are independent?
 
How on God’s earth did Bozo and Hancock think they could tough this situation out? In what circumstances would it have been possible for Hancock to stand up in Parliament or to address a press conference and instruct the general public to abide by his rules? And yet, the incompetent imbecile stood by him stated that he had his full confidence and refused to sack him! One more example of the buffoon’s judgment and his total unsuitability for high office.
There is an urgent need to get rid of him and I will make no apologies for continuing to undermine him at every opportunity
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
Surely it's about content rather than number? North Korea has quite a few media organisations and how many of those do you think are independent?
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I became intrigued Atletico, so I did a quick check.

It appears that Lost Seasider registered in May 2020 but didn't actually begin posting until May 2021. Since then, he, she or it has posted circa ten pages of political posts all with a somewhat - how shall I put it? - Tory HQ groupie/spaddish flavour. In the same time our Tangerine stalwart has posted, er, around three football related posts that I could detect. Methinks we may have an imposter in our midst! 🏝️ 😂 💩
 
EPM46 said:
How on God’s earth did Bozo and Hancock think they could tough this situation out? In what circumstances would it have been possible for Hancock to stand up in Parliament or to address a press conference and instruct the general public to abide by his rules? And yet, the incompetent imbecile stood by him stated that he had his full confidence and refused to sack him! One more example of the buffoon’s judgment and his total unsuitability for high office.
There is an urgent need to get rid of him and I will make no apologies for continuing to undermine him at every opportunity
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Undermining, or simply pointing out the obvious?
 
Mark_GT said:
I became intrigued Atletico, so I did a quick check.

It appears that Lost Seasider registered in May 2020 but didn't actually begin posting until May 2021. Since then, he, she or it has posted circa ten pages of political posts all with a somewhat - how shall I put it? - Tory HQ groupie/spaddish flavour. In the same time our Tangerine stalwart has posted, er, around three football related posts that I could detect. Methinks we may have an imposter in our midst! 🏝️ 😂 💩
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I'm surprised that 20s hasn't picked up on it, with his non-football, hate filled agenda-ometer that's in full working order for some posters.
 
Mark_GT said:
I became intrigued Atletico, so I did a quick check.

It appears that Lost Seasider registered in May 2020 but didn't actually begin posting until May 2021. Since then, he, she or it has posted circa ten pages of political posts all with a somewhat - how shall I put it? - Tory HQ groupie/spaddish flavour. In the same time our Tangerine stalwart has posted, er, around three football related posts that I could detect. Methinks we may have an imposter in our midst! 🏝️ 😂 💩
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He is an interesting poster no doubt. Makes some great points backed up with evidence but also often strays into a fantasy world in which no Conservative can ever do anything wrong. His / her defence of some of the things that the government does is often quite amusing. But I have to ask myself why a political party would put an infiltrator on an obscure outlet like this?
Anyway, now that the truth is out there I am sure that we can rely on 20's to repeatedly tell Lost that we never see him / her on the other side of the board and that he / she is a 'hate-filled', 'agenda-driven', 'one-trick pony' political obsessive etc. etc. etc.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
He is an interesting poster no doubt. Makes some great points backed up with evidence but also often strays into a fantasy world in which no Conservative can ever do anything wrong. His / her defence of some of the things that the government does is often quite amusing. But I have to ask myself why a political party would put an infiltrator on an obscure outlet like this?
Anyway, now that the truth is out there I am sure that we can rely on 20's to repeatedly tell Lost that we never see him / her on the other side of the board and that he / she is a 'hate-filled', 'agenda-driven', 'one-trick pony' political obsessive etc. etc. etc.
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What have I done!

Atletico and I just smelled something a tad fishy going on, and you know what they say about piscatorial goings on 🏝️ 😂 🐟🎣🤿
 
Mark_GT said:
I became intrigued Atletico, so I did a quick check.

It appears that Lost Seasider registered in May 2020 but didn't actually begin posting until May 2021. Since then, he, she or it has posted circa ten pages of political posts all with a somewhat - how shall I put it? - Tory HQ groupie/spaddish flavour. In the same time our Tangerine stalwart has posted, er, around three football related posts that I could detect. Methinks we may have an imposter in our midst! 🏝️ 😂 💩
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Nice one Mark, now that's what I call quality, independent journalism. 👍 😀 Do we think it's a real person, or one of those faceless AI roboty thingys?
 
maxnix said:
Pointless asking Cat questions like this. Quick to criticise, but will never EVER offer a suggested alternative.
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That is the problem with the Labour party - very negative and have completely failed to present a positive vision of what the UK might look like under Sir Keir.

It may be a load of old cobblers (that often comes back to bite him) but Boris always tries to present a positive, optimistic outlook.

A bit like before the Euro Referendum - both camps spouted a load of old crap during the campaign but the Leavers fought a campaign on the (perceived or otherwise) positive benefits of Brexit whereas the Remainers fought a negative campaign based on their view that the world would go to hell if we voted Leave (and many seem to still want that to happen sadly).

Come on Cat, for a minute put aside your blind hatred of all things Tory, and paint a positive picture of what the UK would look like under the PM of your choosing - give us something to aspire to 😀
 
Cat is like the paulco of the politics board, you spend half of the time wondering what the hell he’s on about but want to keep him for entertainment value
 
maxnix said:
Pointless asking Cat questions like this. Quick to criticise, but will never EVER offer a suggested alternative.
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He rattles on endlessly like p*ss in an empty bucket, but never offers an alternative, as he & his lefty/woke coterie have nothing to offer, other than throwing in the ‘gammon’ card…. (Yawn…..)

Negative waster.
 
EPM46 said:
There is an urgent need to get rid of him and I will make no apologies for continuing to undermine him at every opportunity
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Absolutely brilliant. An obscure internet football message board and you feel you have this power to undermine BJ at every opportunity. Fact is on here. basically no one is listening. Classic stuff. PMSL. 🤣
 
Mark_GT said:
I became intrigued Atletico, so I did a quick check.

It appears that Lost Seasider registered in May 2020 but didn't actually begin posting until May 2021. Since then, he, she or it has posted circa ten pages of political posts all with a somewhat - how shall I put it? - Tory HQ groupie/spaddish flavour.
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I've no idea what kind of checking you did but whatever it was you appear to have f***ed it up royally.

I think my very first post is here: https://avftt.co.uk/index.php?threads/covid-latest.5132/#post-88846
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
Surely it's about content rather than number? North Korea has quite a few media organisations and how many of those do you think are independent?
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I have no idea about the media in NK.

In the UK, off the top of my head, we have:
  • BBC
  • ITV
  • Sky
  • C4
  • C5
  • Telegraph
  • Times
  • Guardian
  • Independent
  • Mail
  • Express
  • Mirror
  • Sun
So let me ask again, which of the above don't you think are independent.
 
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