Been thinking about Appleton

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GaryMadineGoalMachine

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Overcame testicular cancer, got another chance at managing a Championship club and knows the way football works - why hasn’t he really grasped this chance with both hands and instead played it safe and boring (and we could see that from the opening game against Reading), got the fans on his side and really enjoyed an opportunity he might never have been given?

That was my one real optimistic thought when he got this job that he’d have really gone for it - unless we’re all missing what he’s doing behind the scenes, it just doesn’t feel like he’s that arsed?
 
Maybe because he's actually not that good? One promotion with Oxford out of L2 is hardly a banker for success at Championship level. But yes, I agree, he was given an opportunity that his CV quite frankly didn't warrant, you would have thought it would be the chance to really launch his career.
 
October was great, it felt like it was clicking and the football was starting to resemble this "aggressive, attacking" style we were promised.

Not sure where that's gone, we look clueless now when you watch us like there is no plan. It's the worst injury crisis I've ever seen but it's one of them at the minute, if he doesn't get a win against Hull and he's still in a job then we know they're sticking with him.

I defended him a fair bit on here, during October the signs were there but it's gone to shit and the atmosphere is horrendous. An unpopular appointment that has us in the relegation zone, regardless of reasons it's created an extremely negative vibe around the club that's bordering on toxic. I think they need to replace him based on that, he has a mountain to climb now in terms of fan opinion, they should have never appointed someone who fans would have so little patience with anyway after making the same mistake with Grayson.
 
When he was appointed i was just disgusted. His record, demeanour, past with the nobbers and the fact he had already done the dirty on us once. Annoyed me even more in his first interview when he used the Oystons as an excuse for leaving when he was basically just chasing another job. What really amazed me though was from the disappointment on here at his appointment to backing on the basis of that one interview. Everybody seemed to get on board after that. I realise that this is a tough job but he was never for me. Absolute sh1t appointment based on being a mate of mansford. It's changed the whole feel and direction of the club.
 
PNENIL said:
When he was appointed i was just disgusted. His record, demeanour, past with the nobbers and the fact he had already done the dirty on us once. Annoyed me even more in his first interview when he used the Oystons as an excuse for leaving when he was basically just chasing another job. What really amazed me though was from the disappointment on here at his appointment to backing on the basis of that one interview. Everybody seemed to get on board after that. I realise that this is a tough job but he was never for me. Absolute sh1t appointment based on being a mate of mansford. It's changed the whole feel and direction of the club.
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We all turned our backs on this club because of the Oystons ,so don't make that an excuse for your shit post. His first interview was good and it made the right noises [ I am sure you would have wanted a bad one to add a bit more fuel to this post]. So I am still not seeing a problem. What I do see is quote "He was never for me" . Which tells everyone that he could take us up and you would still slag him. In your opinion he only got the job because he was a mate of Mansford. Well Simon Sadler who is a multi-millionaire must be shit at business as he has employed a bloke for 4 years because he is a friend of a subordinate ,and finally what has changed the whole feel of the club is that we are not playing that well and are losing a lot of games . Not because Appleton is the manager. So you have got a choice of getting behind the club with whoever is in charge and supporting Blackpool or carrying on with your vendetta and having a crap Christmas and New Year because he is still going to be in charge.
 
Football today is more an entertainment media as opposed to a real sport. Those camera and media facing need to have that sparkle that attracts them to the media / social media and like or loathe it, in todays world it’s almost as important as the ability to do the job.

Appleton doesn’t have that charisma. His media work is all lacking in enthusiasm with negative comments etc. That will be like a millstone when results go bad. I liked his coaching courses we viewed pre signing - they seemed knowledgeable and considered, but you can’t carry that style in the media hungry world we are in now.
His demeanour on the sideline and in those Gazette interviews let him down awfully. As his deep thinker approach makes him an easy target
 
I don't think we need to wait until after the Hull game for our answer as to whether the board are sticking with him. After the Wigan game was an opportunity, and we didn't. There's your answer. We're sticking with him.
My hope rests with the appointment of the two from Coventry who I think found some quality players for them for prices we should be able to reach. There are half a dozen really poor teams in this league, and even a half decent January transfer window will give us a decent chance, even with MA at the helm.
Longer term, I don't think it would be wise to keep MA as he just isn't going to galvanise the club, or offer any words of positivity, motivation or ambition for our club. In short, he doesn't inspire. We often display frustration at being treated, or thought of, as little Blackpool, and yet we have continued to make decisions that only strengthen that perception of us.
Take the managerial appointments recently of our local rivals:
- PNE poached a manager currently at a club on the up with a very promising CV.
- Wigan appoint Kolo Toure, as a player a multi Premier League and FA cup winner. A massive risk in his first managerial job, but the key thing is it demonstrates ambition. You simply don't attract people like him if the remit is to just keep a club up every season.
- Burnley - Kompany - again multi Premier league winner. Obviously Burnley are currently on a different level financially, but it still shows they're looking upwards.

Then we have us. Appointing an out of work manager who lost to the man he replaced in a play off final, who has spent most of his career in the lower leagues, with his last managerial post being a 17th placed league one finish with Lincoln. There was absolutely nothing inspiring or ambitious about his appointment, and you wouldn't have found any of our rivals even considering him. That's the difference and the reason he was a really poor appointment.
 
Philbfctrois said:
What if we win the next couple?
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Thats the problem win the next two and it just buys a bit more time...win the next 10 and I will be the first to say well done.

However both scenarios are very unlikely and even if we do win the next two and then lose the two after the majority of fans will want him out again. He has lost the support of most and how long do we wait before we cut our losses. The lasty two results have just about kept him in the job but the tide has turned against him thats for sure.

Two draws in the last two games may look ok on paper BUT those results only paper over the cracks of two pretty dire performances where we were lucky to get a point in either (only the second half at Cardiff was acceptable). Its a terrible watch and there is little cause for optimism.

We have had 4 shots on target in the last 4 games and it simply isnt good enough whatever the excuses. Lose at Hull on boxing day then I think the atmosphere will be toxic in the Sheff Utd game. To be honest his departure is overdue and he simply looks out of his depth.

To put it into perspective I think Fleetwood would be underwhelmed if he became their manager....simply an awful appointment and the club deserves better.
 
Watched the Man City Liverpool game last night and it made me think why can’t we play with that intensity. Nothing to do with ability, both teams have world class players, but they run their socks off, pressing constantly. When the opposition has the ball, they tall over them. Surely any manager would want his players to show the same aggression.
 
Difficult to argue with that.
BFC_53 said:
I don't think we need to wait until after the Hull game for our answer as to whether the board are sticking with him. After the Wigan game was an opportunity, and we didn't. There's your answer. We're sticking with him.
My hope rests with the appointment of the two from Coventry who I think found some quality players for them for prices we should be able to reach. There are half a dozen really poor teams in this league, and even a half decent January transfer window will give us a decent chance, even with MA at the helm.
Longer term, I don't think it would be wise to keep MA as he just isn't going to galvanise the club, or offer any words of positivity, motivation or ambition for our club. In short, he doesn't inspire. We often display frustration at being treated, or thought of, as little Blackpool, and yet we have continued to make decisions that only strengthen that perception of us.
Take the managerial appointments recently of our local rivals:
- PNE poached a manager currently at a club on the up with a very promising CV.
- Wigan appoint Kolo Toure, as a player a multi Premier League and FA cup winner. A massive risk in his first managerial job, but the key thing is it demonstrates ambition. You simply don't attract people like him if the remit is to just keep a club up every season.
- Burnley - Kompany - again multi Premier league winner. Obviously Burnley are currently on a different level financially, but it still shows they're looking upwards.

Then we have us. Appointing an out of work manager who lost to the man he replaced in a play off final, who has spent most of his career in the lower leagues, with his last managerial post being a 17th placed league one finish with Lincoln. There was absolutely nothing inspiring or ambitious about his appointment, and you wouldn't have found any of our rivals even considering him. That's the difference and the reason he was a really poor appointment.
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BFC_53 said:
I don't think we need to wait until after the Hull game for our answer as to whether the board are sticking with him. After the Wigan game was an opportunity, and we didn't. There's your answer. We're sticking with him.
My hope rests with the appointment of the two from Coventry who I think found some quality players for them for prices we should be able to reach. There are half a dozen really poor teams in this league, and even a half decent January transfer window will give us a decent chance, even with MA at the helm.
Longer term, I don't think it would be wise to keep MA as he just isn't going to galvanise the club, or offer any words of positivity, motivation or ambition for our club. In short, he doesn't inspire. We often display frustration at being treated, or thought of, as little Blackpool, and yet we have continued to make decisions that only strengthen that perception of us.
Take the managerial appointments recently of our local rivals:
- PNE poached a manager currently at a club on the up with a very promising CV.
- Wigan appoint Kolo Toure, as a player a multi Premier League and FA cup winner. A massive risk in his first managerial job, but the key thing is it demonstrates ambition. You simply don't attract people like him if the remit is to just keep a club up every season.
- Burnley - Kompany - again multi Premier league winner. Obviously Burnley are currently on a different level financially, but it still shows they're looking upwards.

Then we have us. Appointing an out of work manager who lost to the man he replaced in a play off final, who has spent most of his career in the lower leagues, with his last managerial post being a 17th placed league one finish with Lincoln. There was absolutely nothing inspiring or ambitious about his appointment, and you wouldn't have found any of our rivals even considering him. That's the difference and the reason he was a really poor appointment.
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Especially given the feeling amongst the fanbase about the appointment prior to it, because he'd been before and left, also played for the nobbers, meaning he'd always get less time as people had strong feelings against.

All that was known, makes it even worse uninspiring appointment.

People were though beginning to warm, then we lost a load of games and people lost it.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He's currently failing, he'll be given more time, if he starts winning consistently everyone's happy, if he continues to fail he'll get sacked.

That's all there is.
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I agree apart from the everybody's happy bit. I think there is a mindset that whatever success in games he has they'll say that he should be more entertaining, better PR, lucky in games etc etc. Almost if we didn't have MA we;d be winning more often by more goals.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
He's currently failing, he'll be given more time, if he starts winning consistently everyone's happy, if he continues to fail he'll get sacked.

That's all there is.
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Agree with this but cant help thinking it may be a slow painful procedure and by the time the axe falls it will be too late...relegation would be a total disaster for the club and the better players would leave and the crowds will undoubtedly dwindle dramatically...bouncing back is anything but certain and we will be back in the football wilderness...you can forget the East stand and ground development if we are relegated and it wouldnt surprise me if the training ground was also put on ice.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
We all turned our backs on this club because of the Oystons ,so don't make that an excuse for your shit post. His first interview was good and it made the right noises [ I am sure you would have wanted a bad one to add a bit more fuel to this post]. So I am still not seeing a problem. What I do see is quote "He was never for me" . Which tells everyone that he could take us up and you would still slag him. In your opinion he only got the job because he was a mate of Mansford. Well Simon Sadler who is a multi-millionaire must be shit at business as he has employed a bloke for 4 years because he is a friend of a subordinate ,and finally what has changed the whole feel of the club is that we are not playing that well and are losing a lot of games . Not because Appleton is the manager. So you have got a choice of getting behind the club with whoever is in charge and supporting Blackpool or carrying on with your vendetta and having a crap Christmas and New Year because he is still going to be in charge.
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No we didn't all turn our backs on the club because of the Oystons, we boycotted and protested to free the club of them. Big difference to Appleton who quit after lining another job up to further his own needs.
I said in my original post what a tough job this is. So if Appleton got anywhere near moving us up the table I would give him credit. I also think a lot of it is other mistakes and not particularly his fault. Poor transfer window and recruitment and not making the most of situations. We should never have let Bowler go and just sit things out. Loan deal back or reinvest a lot of that money. Likewise Lyons, he should have been here from the start instead of being a championship club dictated to by a LOI club.
oh and I don't have a choice. This is my club and I'll always support it. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. I don't like Appleton and he's not shown me a lot so far.
 
PNENIL said:
When he was appointed i was just disgusted. His record, demeanour, past with the nobbers and the fact he had already done the dirty on us once. Annoyed me even more in his first interview when he used the Oystons as an excuse for leaving when he was basically just chasing another job. What really amazed me though was from the disappointment on here at his appointment to backing on the basis of that one interview. Everybody seemed to get on board after that. I realise that this is a tough job but he was never for me. Absolute sh1t appointment based on being a mate of mansford. It's changed the whole feel and direction of the club.
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If you really believe that, and there are plenty who do, you need to all put on your lambs wool sweaters and follow each other into oblivion, it's just total nonsense.
 
PNENIL said:
No we didn't all turn our backs on the club because of the Oystons, we boycotted and protested to free the club of them. Big difference to Appleton who quit after lining another job up to further his own needs.
I said in my original post what a tough job this is. So if Appleton got anywhere near moving us up the table I would give him credit. I also think a lot of it is other mistakes and not particularly his fault. Poor transfer window and recruitment and not making the most of situations. We should never have let Bowler go and just sit things out. Loan deal back or reinvest a lot of that money. Likewise Lyons, he should have been here from the start instead of being a championship club dictated to by a LOI club.
oh and I don't have a choice. This is my club and I'll always support it. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. I don't like Appleton and he's not shown me a lot so far.
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I actually agree with most of this that you have written ,but your original post does the club no good . I am sick and tired of the Appleton out club when you know that he is going to be here a while longer. It does the club no good and it splits the fan base. I agree that at the moment we are under pressure and we need to improve ,but what is the point of harping on about the manager ,when he is in charge and is likely to stay that way for now.

I also think its unfair to blame him for moving on when he had the chance, because anyone in their right mind would have done the same once you had been told that there was no money for players , your training ground is a sand pit and you have to take your kits home to get them washed . I am pretty sure you would have done the same.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I actually agree with most of this that you have written ,but your original post does the club no good . I am sick and tired of the Appleton out club when you know that he is going to be here a while longer. It does the club no good and it splits the fan base. I agree that at the moment we are under pressure and we need to improve ,but what is the point of harping on about the manager ,when he is in charge and is likely to stay that way for now.

I also think its unfair to blame him for moving on when he had the chance, because anyone in their right mind would have done the same once you had been told that there was no money for players , your training ground is a sand pit and you have to take your kits home to get them washed . I am pretty sure you would have done the same.
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WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I actually agree with most of this that you have written ,but your original post does the club no good . I am sick and tired of the Appleton out club when you know that he is going to be here a while longer. It does the club no good and it splits the fan base. I agree that at the moment we are under pressure and we need to improve ,but what is the point of harping on about the manager ,when he is in charge and is likely to stay that way for now.

I also think its unfair to blame him for moving on when he had the chance, because anyone in their right mind would have done the same once you had been told that there was no money for players , your training ground is a sand pit and you have to take your kits home to get them washed . I am pretty sure you would have done the same.
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I don't particularly harp on about the manager, it's just one post, rare for me in actually saying how I feel. I wouldn't dream of giving him stick at games or booing etc. No manager gets a free pass though anywhere at any club. No matter how long his contract is. I admit I don't like the fella and that's been from day one. If he shows any aptitude for the job though I'll give him credit because I know how hard it is .
I'm not going to agree with you about him leaving the first time and that has a lot to do with why I'm not keen on him. I get what circumstances he was working under with that family but he took the job on those terms. He would never have walked without another job offer, nobody does . To try and spin it in another way in his first interview back was low . We weren't all in this together against the Oystons and felt the same, he did what he did for his own gain without any other thought. It's a sh1t part of our history but if the likes of Gary Bowyer and Terry McPhillips had behaved like that we'd be nowhere near the Championship now.
 
PNENIL said:
I don't particularly harp on about the manager, it's just one post, rare for me in actually saying how I feel. I wouldn't dream of giving him stick at games or booing etc. No manager gets a free pass though anywhere at any club. No matter how long his contract is. I admit I don't like the fella and that's been from day one. If he shows any aptitude for the job though I'll give him credit because I know how hard it is .
I'm not going to agree with you about him leaving the first time and that has a lot to do with why I'm not keen on him. I get what circumstances he was working under with that family but he took the job on those terms. He would never have walked without another job offer, nobody does . To try and spin it in another way in his first interview back was low . We weren't all in this together against the Oystons and felt the same, he did what he did for his own gain without any other thought. It's a sh1t part of our history but if the likes of Gary Bowyer and Terry McPhillips had behaved like that we'd be nowhere near the Championship now.
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Yeah I defended it initially and it's clearly tried to be spun as he left because of the reasons we boycotted. Im sure there were elements of the farce we were that made him want to leave.

Am sure it was a shock to the system, but also he went for more money to a local rival too.

He says he didn't know much about the issues here at that time, which is his mistake, but if true shows a lack of due diligence.

Personally, I don't see why most were against him, I barely remember the games with him and he's not as dour as people claimed. I can get over him leaving. He's also a different manager who plays a different way.

But people had strong preexisting feelings about him and he was always going to get far less time and patience.

Now that the fans have largely turned is why I wanted him gone, the atmosphere and feeling is bad and tbh has been poor since he arrived. Seems to be no connection with fans which is something we really need. See Critchley last season. People loved him and got him and he got us going. Add in the results that aren't all down to the injuries, we've looked poor far too many time with enough quality out there to do far better. Returning from the break we haven't looked like a team well drilled and who used the break wisely.

However, he's still here and the team will always get full support from me and obviously I want us to win. I hope he can turn it around however I just can't see us ever being all we can be with him here, he could win 4 and lose more again and it'll all return. He's going to really need to do well now for people to change their opinion again.
 
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PNENIL said:
I don't particularly harp on about the manager, it's just one post, rare for me in actually saying how I feel. I wouldn't dream of giving him stick at games or booing etc. No manager gets a free pass though anywhere at any club. No matter how long his contract is. I admit I don't like the fella and that's been from day one. If he shows any aptitude for the job though I'll give him credit because I know how hard it is .
I'm not going to agree with you about him leaving the first time and that has a lot to do with why I'm not keen on him. I get what circumstances he was working under with that family but he took the job on those terms. He would never have walked without another job offer, nobody does . To try and spin it in another way in his first interview back was low . We weren't all in this together against the Oystons and felt the same, he did what he did for his own gain without any other thought. It's a sh1t part of our history but if the likes of Gary Bowyer and Terry McPhillips had behaved like that we'd be nowhere near the Championship now.
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Ok , I accept your opinion and I have my own ,but in respect to Appleton first time around I don't think he actually knew what he was letting himself in for and I believe it was only his second appointment after taking over Portsmouth temporarily . I also don't believe that he went out of his way to get the job at Blackburn , I think that they approached him as they knew that he had only just got the Blackpool job.

I leave you with this ,as before no money for players , sand pit training ground and wash your own kit ,or Jack Walkers millions , Prem club and a decent wage.
 
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