Bill Gates, Vaccines & Digital ID Conspiracy

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My facebook feed has been full of information about the Bill Gates Vaccine conspiracy for the past month and by and large, I tend to pass this kind of thing off as baloney, but....

I can't help but find the level to which Bill Gates(and certain others) are interwined with the Vaccine Industry, the promotion of a cashless society & Digital ID as well as various influential international bodies.

To put this into context, Bill Gates, through his associations with GAVI & the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is the single largest contributor to the WHO (World Health Organsation). ID2020 (a so called volountary organisation promoting digital ID) is supported by GAVI, Microsoft and the Rockerfeller Foundation (another promoter and investor in vaccines).

Gate's influence extends to vaccine development all over the Globe and pretty much all the vaccine development within the UK for example.

He's also has interests in the Coronavirus Test.

My question here is whether it is right and proper for someone who appears to be exherting considerable influence over International Health Policy to have a significant conflicting financial interest. Further is it right and proper at all for any one individual, through their (Tax beneficial) philanthropy to use that philanthropy in such a way that it exerts influence on International Public Health Policy, regardless of their conflicting interests.

Frankly, I'm shocked at the extent to which the Bill Gates 'Mycelium' has spread and concerned as to the extent of his influence, together with other Globalists who potentially share his views.
 
Good use of the word mycelium, a first for AVFTT 👍

I am no great fan of Bill Gates, I think he used his dominant market position to kill great alternatives in the PC market, but in the end, that is perfectly legal under US law. Anything to do with his ex business, digital ID, cashless reliant on Windows, etc, I would view with a very jaundiced eye.

The US model of capitalism has always been justified, wrongly in my opinion, by the ability of the mega wealthy to look after the less well off by philanthrophy. Gates is following that model on his healthcare programmes. Now, I totally get that you are not over keen on vaccines. However, others believe that, particularly in very poor areas of the world, effective and safe vaccines are a very cheap way of raising the standards of health of the population, and he has put massive amounts of money behind this. It will always be up to local governments to agree to take or not, obviously corruption will not be an issue.

This persistent story about him talking about using vaccines to reduce world population is a bit of a brain stretcher. I think what he really means is that if fewer children die of basic diseases, parents would not need to have as many children to support them in their old age because fewer would die. Of course, others will read it that he wants to use vaccines to immunise against conception??
 
Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development, released in 2012 by the The Rockerfeller Foundation (it’s readable and downloadable below, may need cut and paste), is an interesting read, particularly the “Lock Step” scenario, written as though a world pandemic had happened and the governments needed to shut shops and businesses and become far more authoritarian and how this authoritarian regime would remain thereafter.

Rockerfeller, Gates n others do, as you say have considerable clout and they shouldn’t have any, they haven’t been elected, an individuals money shouldn’t influence government and ultimately world policy but unfortunately it does and that’s scary!


 
I'm a keen mushroom spotter!

It's not so much vaccine that I'm not keen on, but rather the motivation of those who wouyld promote both vaccines and other pharmaceutical interventions. I agree 100% that vaccines have and continue to play a very important role in disease prevention, particularly in the third world.

What concerns me in regard to Gates (hence the mycelium comment) is the extent to which is influence (through philanthropy and investment) extends and whether that can be right. Clearly some of the more sinister claims regarding Gates do stretch the imagination somewhat, but nonetheless, it does beg the question whether adequate protection is in place, when one person or small (who may have sinister intent) can exhert such considerable influence on an International basis.
 
Rockerfeller, Gates n others do, as you say have considerable clout and they shouldn’t have any, they haven’t been elected, an individuals money shouldn’t influence government and ultimately world policy but unfortunately it does and that’s scary!


Spot on, and the leverage is money. You are a poor African state and Gates offers $100M for your healthcare, you take it, whatever strings attached.

Non elected interference, a population increasingly keen on an authoritarian response to the current crisis whilst stifling any criticism ( you only have to read this board to see this), foreigners to blame, not a great place to be
 
Gates ‘philanthropy’ explained

The Rockefeller’s invented pharmaceuticals in the mid 1800s, petrochemical ‘medicine’. They used their Standard Oil fortunes to buy, ruin, shut down natural health schools and competitors across the US and to pay all US newspapers (the only and trusted source of information then) to publish fake science stories stating pharmaceuticals were better than traditional natural remedies. The people bought it and it spread across the globe.

The Rockefeller Foundation was set up in 1913, the same year as the Federal Reserve, and both have been used to screw the population over ever since.

In The 1930s the Rockefeller’s, amongst others, funded Germany’s eugenics programmes in their bid to wipe out ‘undesirable’ human beings and create a master race. Germany lost WWII, not the Nazis. Hitler was a front man, just like Trump and Boris today. The Nazis continued on and moved their scientists over to the US to continue their good work. Bill Gates’ parents were heavily involved in things like the American Eugenics Society.

The Rockefellers set up the W.H.O. in 1947 and have owned and controlled it ever since, with help from their mates such as the BMGF. Funnily enough the WHO always seems to determine the pharmaceuticals and vaccines are the answer to any supposed health problem. Coincidence.

Today the Nazis are back making another big move and they are taking away our rights and our freedoms, including trying to mandate forced medical experiments on us all. But what do they want to inject us with and why? History might give us some clues.
 
There could be an argument saying the WHO are rather like the FIFA of public health.
Could some Companies & even Countries be accused of buying influence or favour?

You would certainly like to believe not but with the vast sums of money involved, can we be certain?

I think when Tedros Adhanom the latest 'Top Man' got the job it has been suggested he was favoured by certain people over arguably better qualified candidates?
But that could just be down to politics?
 
This is why I love AVFTT......what other football forum can you discuss football and global conspiracy theories at the same time.

Anyway...we all know Bill's a member of the Illuminati and a shape shifting alien looking to put microchips in our brains.
It was also Microsoft that put the virus into the 5G looking to achieve world domination for the master race.
We also know that Bill and Malinda will be relocating to the old Moon base built by the Nazis in WW2 once C-19 turns everyone into blood sucking zombies.
Thank god that Elon Musk has his time machine working next year.......cant wait for those Dinosaurs to make a come back.....

Anyway......Sorry to interrupt the conversation....Ill let you get back to talking complete and utter b011ox
 
This is why I love AVFTT......what other football forum can you discuss football and global conspiracy theories at the same time.

Anyway...we all know Bill's a member of the Illuminati and a shape shifting alien looking to put microchips in our brains.
It was also Microsoft that put the virus into the 5G looking to achieve world domination for the master race.
We also know that Bill and Malinda will be relocating to the old Moon base built by the Nazis in WW2 once C-19 turns everyone into blood sucking zombies.
Thank god that Elon Musk has his time machine working next year.......cant wait for those Dinosaurs to make a come back.....

Anyway......Sorry to interrupt the conversation....Ill let you get back to talking complete and utter b011ox
Thanks for the insightful comment....

As you’ll note though, the OP is far from bollox and raises genuine questions about individual influence over important international policy. There’s no mention of the illuminati, 5G or shape-shifting reptiles.

We’re all well aware of the extent to which conspiracy gets carried away with these things, but that doesn’t take away the fact that there is a very serious issue that ought to be a cause for concern and potential legislation.

If you’re incapable of offering an adult input then that’s fine, but please don’t try to dumb down the issue to reflect your own perspective.
 
For a change the majority of replies here are thoughtful and considered. Of course there is the one loony conspiracy theorist, but that is great entertainment value. Plus the good tongue in cheek reply. As for me, I have no idea - not looked into it enough, but keep the stuff coming guys.
 
I guess the options to these philanthropists and do-gooders is elected leaders like Trump and that nutter in Brazil.

Hmm.
 
Since becoming a billionaire, Bill Gates has donated over $28 billion to charities and encouraged over 40 of the world's wealthiest to sign his "Giving Pledge," aim to donate the majority of their wealth to charity during their lifetimes.

Yeah what a bxxxxxxx. Trying to save the planet like that.

Tommy, many of Bill Gates' Tax Efficient "Donations" and those of his wealthy associates have actually been made to Pharmaceutical Businesses in order to fund research into the development of vaccines and medication, in which Bill Gates has a financial interest. The other string to his philanthropy involves the organisations and individuals that essentially recommend the use of those same treatments.

His intentions may well be completely honourable, but that is not really the point....You only have to look at Jimmy Savile to understand that Charity is often a front for a darker side.

He's not an elected representative of any country and yet based solely on his financial influence and the extent to which he has been allowed to spread that influence, he is now in a position where he is 'essentially' significantly influencing international health & lifestyle policy and the policy for dealing with the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes.
 
Thanks for the insightful comment....

As you’ll note though, the OP is far from bollox and raises genuine questions about individual influence over important international policy. There’s no mention of the illuminati, 5G or shape-shifting reptiles.

We’re all well aware of the extent to which conspiracy gets carried away with these things, but that doesn’t take away the fact that there is a very serious issue that ought to be a cause for concern and potential legislation.

If you’re incapable of offering an adult input then that’s fine, but please don’t try to dumb down the issue to reflect your own perspective.
Sorry Biffer....You just lost me at "My facebook feed"
If you're getting your opinions off there, then I have to bow to your superior intelligence and fact finding knowledge.
Anyone that can go from Bill Gates to Jimmy Savile as a "front for a darker side" and his intentions "may" be completely honourable.....really needs to give their head a serious wobble.

Bill Gates has "attempted" to eradicate malaria within Africa and eventually the world....do a little bit of research and you will find that the drug(s) being developed are not patented...they are FREE for other pharmaceutical companies to produce.....it's just that the little insects are getting wise and becoming immune to them......but Hey, lets not bother with facts....lets check Facebook

I know you like to reply with longer and longer and longer and longer pseudo intellectual replies.....but just google some s##it before trying to back up your b0110x about 'tax efficency'.....I'm sure you will understand the fact that most SME business owners just screw the tax man, their employees and then squirrel their money out as 'dividends'......but Bill has $200billion that he's used to help the 'World' and got a few others to chuck another $500billion......Nobody elected him.....Nobody asked him.....but he's doing it and hopefully leaving a better world.

And don't forget...Bill (and a few others) have fundamentally changed how this world works and developed businesses that make BILLIONS every year.....I think his background gives him the opportunity to actually do something productive......but again.....it's a hey, who made him in charge, rather than 'lets see what he can do'.........I'm sure Karen will want to speak to his manager and get him back to his Nazi bunker on the moon.
 
In the Late 90's he met Blair on several occasions and suddenly Government Computer solutions had to be Windows, they rejected anything you bid that wasn't Windows based(I worked for Compaq/HP at the time) - It was nowhere near the maturity that was required and that is why we had so many project failures at the time. Now you have the situation where there has been very little investment in government systems for many years and the UK Government pays Microsoft 10's of Millions every year to maintain ancient versions of Window Operating Systems, Outlook and the Office Suite

Windows is still not efficient enough to handle large scale processing that requires speed of response(such as Card Processing). Its in every Data Centre but doesn't do any Critical Processing
 
Ive not looked into the finer details of what Gates input is but like to think (well certainly hope) he is doing it largely for altruistic reasons.
I do think there may always been an element of bash the super wealthy at play in these cases as some people will just hate billionaires for being billionaires FACT.

I get what 133HSL says about windows being nowhere near the optimum tech solution & that was obviously a business decision.
 
Sorry Biffer....You just lost me at "My facebook feed"
If you're getting your opinions off there, then I have to bow to your superior intelligence and fact finding knowledge.
Anyone that can go from Bill Gates to Jimmy Savile as a "front for a darker side" and his intentions "may" be completely honourable.....really needs to give their head a serious wobble.

Bill Gates has "attempted" to eradicate malaria within Africa and eventually the world....do a little bit of research and you will find that the drug(s) being developed are not patented...they are FREE for other pharmaceutical companies to produce.....it's just that the little insects are getting wise and becoming immune to them......but Hey, lets not bother with facts....lets check Facebook

I know you like to reply with longer and longer and longer and longer pseudo intellectual replies.....but just google some s##it before trying to back up your b0110x about 'tax efficency'.....I'm sure you will understand the fact that most SME business owners just screw the tax man, their employees and then squirrel their money out as 'dividends'......but Bill has $200billion that he's used to help the 'World' and got a few others to chuck another $500billion......Nobody elected him.....Nobody asked him.....but he's doing it and hopefully leaving a better world.

And don't forget...Bill (and a few others) have fundamentally changed how this world works and developed businesses that make BILLIONS every year.....I think his background gives him the opportunity to actually do something productive......but again.....it's a hey, who made him in charge, rather than 'lets see what he can do'.........I'm sure Karen will want to speak to his manager and get him back to his Nazi bunker on the moon.
Nah...Doesn't merit a serious reply
 
Since becoming a billionaire, Bill Gates has donated over $28 billion to charities and encouraged over 40 of the world's wealthiest to sign his "Giving Pledge," aim to donate the majority of their wealth to charity during their lifetimes.

Yeah what a bxxxxxxx. Trying to save the planet like that.
Bill Gates channelling Steve Jobs. He thinks it's good P.R. to help the kids of Africa and at the same time soften his standing in the IT world and prop up sales for Microsoft. No wonder Gates calls his operating systems "Windows"...it's easy to see through him.
 
Bill Gates channelling Steve Jobs. He thinks it's good P.R. to help the kids of Africa and at the same time soften his standing in the IT world and prop up sales for Microsoft. No wonder Gates calls his operating systems "Windows"...it's easy to see through him.

That's clever Oz. He gives $28,000,000,000 to good causes and persuades 40 other billionaires to do similar so he can make a few bob from IT and medical research. He almost had me fooled.
 
Ive not looked into the finer details of what Gates input is but like to think (well certainly hope) he is doing it largely for altruistic reasons.
I do think there may always been an element of bash the super wealthy at play in these cases as some people will just hate billionaires for being billionaires FACT.

I get what 133HSL says about windows being nowhere near the optimum tech solution & that was obviously a business decision.
I hope he's doing it for altruistic reasons too, but that's not really what I am getting at with my O/P...

As I said in my O/P you see loads of shyte on facebook, which is what had originally prompted me to take a bit more of a look online and try to see what the fuss was all about.

I was very surprised by the way in which a single individual has been able to create such a tangled web of influence almost unnoticed or unchecked (certainly unnoticed by me). I was questioning not whether Bill Gates is some evil dictator who is out to kill off mankind, but moreso whether or not the influencial position he has managed to secure (largely through tax efficiant donation) is acceptable. Bill may well be an altruistic individual, but if he weren't then what? The fact that he has good or bad intentions has not been the determining factor in his ability to gain such considerable influence over such important international matters and that to me is where the issue lies here.

Since the rise of the last really dangerous dictator (Hitler) we have probably satisfied ourselves that we can exercise control over any one individual, because their ability to gain power and influence was largely determined by democratic process. As Gates has demonstrated, there is no need for Deomocratic process, because as long as you have the money and the ability to influence the right people, then you can gain significant 'potential' power as a result......I think that is dangerous and I think it needs to be legislated for...
 
Tommy, many of Bill Gates' Tax Efficient "Donations" and those of his wealthy associates have actually been made to Pharmaceutical Businesses in order to fund research into the development of vaccines and medication, in which Bill Gates has a financial interest. The other string to his philanthropy involves the organisations and individuals that essentially recommend the use of those same treatments.

His intentions may well be completely honourable, but that is not really the point....You only have to look at Jimmy Savile to understand that Charity is often a front for a darker side.

He's not an elected representative of any country and yet based solely on his financial influence and the extent to which he has been allowed to spread that influence, he is now in a position where he is 'essentially' significantly influencing international health & lifestyle policy and the policy for dealing with the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes.
Great. Tar everyone who ever gave to charity as akin to Jimmy Savile.

"You only have to look at Jimmy Savile to understand that Charity is often a front for a darker side."

Talk about sweeping generalisations.
 
Great. Tar everyone who ever gave to charity as akin to Jimmy Savile.

"You only have to look at Jimmy Savile to understand that Charity is often a front for a darker side."

Talk about sweeping generalisations.

My intention wasn't to try and tar everyone with the same brush as Jimmy Savile, but rather to dismiss the notion that simply being involved in Charity Work does not guarantee good character.
 
I hope he's doing it for altruistic reasons too, but that's not really what I am getting at with my O/P...

because as long as you have the money and the ability to influence the right people, then you can gain significant 'potential' power as a result......I think that is dangerous and I think it needs to be legislated for...
I get the sentiment bifster & certainly agree in principle but who does the legislation?
Pretty much all wealthy individuals/Leaders/Countries will use that power to curry favour in some form or other,
Can you tell Bill Gates where his donations must go?,

'Hey Bill You can invest so much money here but then thats gotta stop bollox to malaria or whatever'?

Also if its found that the WHO are influenced by benefactors where do you go?

You will never stop Money or another type of Power influencing & in some cases dictating to others.

Look at all the corruption in the World with tin pot governments or authoratarian states with a distinct lack basic of human rights for citizens.
I would suggest they are more of a concern than Mr Gates.

However it doesnt make for as good facebook clickbait.
 
No word about Putin? The most dangerous man in the world seems to have built up a bigger fortune than Gates from milking his country and removing all opposition. Not much charitable work going on there. Maybe the really dangerous individuals merit more air time.
 
I get the sentiment bifster & certainly agree in principle but who does the legislation?
Pretty much all wealthy individuals/Leaders/Countries will use that power to curry favour in some form or other,
Can you tell Bill Gates where his donations must go?,

'Hey Bill You can invest so much money here but then thats gotta stop bollox to malaria or whatever'?

Also if its found that the WHO are influenced by benefactors where do you go?

You will never stop Money or another type of Power influencing & in some cases dictating to others.

Look at all the corruption in the World with tin pot governments or authoratarian states with a distinct lack basic of human rights for citizens.
I would suggest they are more of a concern than Mr Gates.

However it doesnt make for as good facebook clickbait.

The thing is Deary, that essentially the Country he is gaining tax relief from are essentially paying for a large chunk of the 'donations' and I'd question whether providing an organisation like Glaxo Smith Klyne with funding ought to really be considered 'philanthropy' at all. So if he is donating say £2Bn then around £1Bn of that donation is coming from the US Government, but the US Government are not gaining either the tax dollars, nor trhe potential influence that goes along with them.

I understand that there are problems with totalitarian states, but their leaders are kept under control and kept out of the sphere of International influence by a whole range of potential measures.

The point here, with that gates situation is he has essentially bought a poistion of considerable international influence pretty much unchecked and that is something we ought to be somewhat concerned about.

There are of course wider issues about the ability in a technology based era whereby individuals such as Gates and Bezos (as another example) are able to amass such considerable wealth and influence through monopolising marketsto the extent that there wealth will ultimately serve to oppress many millions of other people.
 
No word about Putin? The most dangerous man in the world seems to have built up a bigger fortune than Gates from milking his country and removing all opposition. Not much charitable work going on there. Maybe the really dangerous individuals merit more air time.
Surely Putin is a prime example of why there are very serious dangers in individuals who can weild significant power without being democtratically elected by the people. We try to kid ourselves that we have a system of democracy that stops this from happending in the West and that is largely what I am getting at with this thread.... Gates is essentially showing us that it really doesn'y matter who is and who isn't elected, because if you have enough money you can buy all the power and influence you desire.
 
Poolborn "As for me, I have no idea - not looked into it enough". But just before that you seem to have formed an opinion, how?

Very good posting from BFC3 and one of the key aspects is 'intentions'. Many choose to believe what they want to believe having not spent any time properly considering these or the information that helps indicate what those intentions are.

With new information we can either accept it, reject it or explore it. Either of the first 2 before the last one and we're getting it wrong.
 
If you want to consider it in more detail click on the link at the top of my post above (on first page) and watch the Kissinger / Gates piece from Spiro Skouras. A proper journalist.
 
I understand that there are problems with totalitarian states, but their leaders are kept under control and kept out of the sphere of International influence by a whole range of potential measures.
The point here, with that gates situation is he has essentially bought a poistion of considerable international influence pretty much unchecked and that is something we ought to be somewhat concerned about.

I get the point but you could say the same thing about China,Saudi Arabia or Russia or other nations.

Explain how they are they kept under control?

I would tend to trust Bill gates more than these Governments tbh.

Look at the facts. China would not let the WHO visit Wuhan for weeks to even look at the crisis!

The WHO leader had to virtually go & beg to them. Im sorry that does not sit well with me.

Now they are trying to 'curry' favour & both tbh are scratching each others back.

Some (mainly conspiracy theorists) make out Bill Gates is some kind of bond villian. If anyone has proof of him doing 'evil' Please produce it.

It could be said Jimmy Saville did for Charity what Harold Shipman did for GPs.

Just to be clear whilst some are incompetent I dont think 99.9999% of GPs want to kill people. 😅
 
I get the point but you could say the same thing about China,Saudi Arabia or Russia or other nations.

Explain how they are they kept under control?

I would tend to trust Bill gates more than these Governments tbh.

Look at the facts. China would not let the WHO visit Wuhan for weeks to even look at the crisis!

The WHO leader had to virtually go & beg to them. Im sorry that does not sit well with me.

Now they are trying to 'curry' favour & both tbh are scratching each others back.

Some (mainly conspiracy theorists) make out Bill Gates is some kind of bond villian. If anyone has proof of him doing 'evil' Please produce it.

It could be said Jimmy Saville did for Charity what Harold Shipman did for GPs.

Just to be clear whilst some are incompetent I dont think 99.9999% of GPs want to kill people. 😅

Of course you can say the same thing about China, Saudi Arabia & Russia, but we have well established mechanisms which are designed to protect us, though I do think the landscape in that regard is changing now. So for example, people are likely being exposed to internet based propaganda designed to undermine our governments or cyber attacks etc... I just see the International situation as an ongoing Chess game, but it's generally a well rehearsed one. Of course, you can influence the leadership situation in any particular country through diplomatic means, trade cooperation or sanctions, international pressure and military power.

As I've said, the issue I'm talking about is not whether Gates is a some kind of 'Bond Villain' or not....It really doesn't make any difference and the point of my thread was never to try and debate the point of whether Bill Gates himself is bad or good...It's really more the general point of concern about his influence and conflicting interests.

Jimmy Savile, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, The Italian Mafia, Pablo Escobar and many more have been big players in the world of Charity.....I'm sure we also know personally plenty of rather bent individuals who cloak themselves in a world of Charity too(As well as many genuine people by the way).

Anyway, let's look on the bright side, hopefully he isn't the anti-christ, his quantum vaccine tattoos are not the mark of the beast and we will all be free to engage freely in future society, whether or not we choose to be vaccinated with his pineal gland dulling, infertility drugs, which turn us into transgender lizards.

It's important to stay positive😉
 
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If anyone has proof of him doing 'evil' Please produce it.



 

Perhaps i should have said proof from reliable sources 😁

Seriously though Fair play ormergod 👍i will take a look when i get time.
 
Ormers 👍

Deary, ‘reliable sources’ is an important issue but what are they? How do we know?

If you mean the big mainstream ones, these are the ones that are corporate controlled. I didn’t see the BBC interview with Gates but I’m pretty sure they won’t have asked him about the half a million paralysed Indian kids or the sterilised Kenyans. If you’re a journalist rather than a plant, it’s a basic part of your job, surely?
 
Ormers 👍

Deary, ‘reliable sources’ is an important issue but what are they? How do we know?

If you mean the big mainstream ones, these are the ones that are corporate controlled. I didn’t see the BBC interview with Gates but I’m pretty sure they won’t have asked him about the half a million paralysed Indian kids or the sterilised Kenyans. If you’re a journalist rather than a plant, it’s a basic part of your job, surely?
What's the reliable source that lists 500,000 children paralysed by Bill Gates.
 
I can whole heartedly recommend some of the sites listed by Oremgod......But how do you people find this sort of madness......"The Good News Today".......a nice far right fundamental christian website that has some amazing exclusives that other media outlets in the WORLD never got wind of.....HOW???.......

No wonder they go out and shoot each other with semi automatic weapons or pop down the local high school for a massacre......I don't know if you have to be retarded (but it must obviously help) to understand what you're reading but 99.99% of the stuff on these sites is made up.....or total right wing propaganda.....you will believe a Pastor from North Carolina about something happening in Kenya....but wont take 2 minutes to do a google search that will debunk everything written as stories cobbled together......the sterilised Kenyans

You have to be a total nut job to believe this......if the BBC/Times/Independent/The Sun even had a whiff that half a million kids were paralysed by a vaccine....a vaccine that Bill Gates produced.....or that 500,000 women had been sterilised without consent....EVERY NEWSPAPER, TV STATION, LAWYER, HUMANITARIAN AID & CHARITY IN THE WORLD would be on it like a red neck on a conspiracy theory......Yeah.......but they are all corporate controlled....and if you honestly believe that......There's no hope for this country.

Your all just a bunch of fruit loops........
 
Ormers 👍

Deary, ‘reliable sources’ is an important issue but what are they? How do we know?

If you mean the big mainstream ones, these are the ones that are corporate controlled. I didn’t see the BBC interview with Gates but I’m pretty sure they won’t have asked him about the half a million paralysed Indian kids or the sterilised Kenyans. If you’re a journalist rather than a plant, it’s a basic part of your job, surely?
We have already had the discussion about reputable sources and generally speaking they are sources that are at least going to be subject to reasonable standards and some realy public scrutiny. We find ourselves in a situation at the moment, where it seems to have just become acceptable for people to create some kind of alternative reality......Information needs to be credible ...

I suppose it was always going to go this way, but I was kind of hoping to steer clear of all of the exhaggerated consipratorial nonsence and focus on the real issues that maybe give rise to some of these more outlandish ideas.
 
As a simple point, if you were a journalist and you were going to interview BG or anyone else promoting something which could be deemed controversial, the most basic part of your job would be to get a handle on any past or present criticism of the interviewee and grill them about it. “You say A but your critics say B, C & D, what do you say about those?”, then a series of follow up questions depending on his answers.

That not only tests the person in question but also gives him a chance to answer those criticisms in full. It informs the viewers, which should be the whole point. Assuming something can’t be true because it isn’t all over all the corporate controlled media is just thinking on too small a scale and trusting what is pushed in front of us. The scale of the control is hidden but it is there, and it doesn’t advertise itself.

Dismissing anything that doesn’t match what the BBC say, on the basis that the BBC would be saying it, makes for an easily manipulated viewer. Credibility has to be earned and can best be judged as part of an overall picture rather than a single, well known, apparently trusted source.

Edit, by single I mean mainstream media generally.
 
Ormers 👍

Deary, ‘reliable sources’ is an important issue but what are they? How do we know?

If you mean the big mainstream ones, these are the ones that are corporate controlled. I didn’t see the BBC interview with Gates but I’m pretty sure they won’t have asked him about the half a million paralysed Indian kids or the sterilised Kenyans.

Ok & I totally get that you & Ormers share a certain style of thought process

So anyway heres a page saying it is misinformation spread by anti vax conspiracy theorists


Now im am not saying that page is anymore credible than those submitted above, it was just the 1st one i found. Im sure there are others.


The simple FACT is you can find pretty much anything on the internet to confirm a belief.

You can no doubt find pages championing the good stuff ISIS are doing, How Hitler & the Nazis did great things for humanity & you know what that Owen Oyston fella is actually a top banana. (Ok that last one is pushing it!)

Hey you may find pages saying Mother Teresa was a cnut?

The internet can certainly shed light on important issues & often does, However it also offers the perfect environment for every Colin Crackpot & Not quite a full deck Nige. It is by far the biggest breeding ground for misinformation on the planet.
 
Yes, all valid points deary. Following on from that I’d say it takes a lot of hard work to identify what is true and what isn’t. Many just rely on the popular opinion though. That opinion has been made popular by everyone’s reliance rather than each viewer’s hard work.
 
Thanks for the insightful comment....

As you’ll note though, the OP is far from bollox and raises genuine questions about individual influence over important international policy. There’s no mention of the illuminati, 5G or shape-shifting reptiles.

We’re all well aware of the extent to which conspiracy gets carried away with these things, but that doesn’t take away the fact that there is a very serious issue that ought to be a cause for concern and potential legislation.

If you’re incapable of offering an adult input then that’s fine, but please don’t try to dumb down the issue to reflect your own perspective.
I do not want to oversimplify, but whoever get their hands on the production, distribution or licensing of the vaccine will make gazillions and therefore cannot be trusted.
 
Donk 👍 especially if they can get all the world’s countries to indemnify the manufacturers against any damage whatsoever that the vaccines could do to populations.

What would the chances of that be do you think? Governments, therefore taxpayers, accepting responsibility for all adverse reactions, paralysis, death...

Scroll down near the bottom of the page on this link and have a look at the ‘why Gates wants immunity’ clip.
Quick clip
 
Donk 👍 especially if they can get all the world’s countries to indemnify the manufacturers against any damage whatsoever that the vaccines could do to populations.

What would the chances of that be do you think? Governments, therefore taxpayers, accepting responsibility for all adverse reactions, paralysis, death...

Scroll down near the bottom of the page on this link and have a look at the ‘why Gates wants immunity’ clip.
Quick clip
Well without clicking the link, yes I agree. There is a huge bonus to be made out of this tragedy.
 
Ok & I totally get that you & Ormers share a certain style of thought process

So anyway heres a page saying it is misinformation spread by anti vax conspiracy theorists


Now im am not saying that page is anymore credible than those submitted above, it was just the 1st one i found. Im sure there are others.


The simple FACT is you can find pretty much anything on the internet to confirm a belief.

You can no doubt find pages championing the good stuff ISIS are doing, How Hitler & the Nazis did great things for humanity & you know what that Owen Oyston fella is actually a top banana. (Ok that last one is pushing it!)

Hey you may find pages saying Mother Teresa was a cnut?

The internet can certainly shed light on important issues & often does, However it also offers the perfect environment for every Colin Crackpot & Not quite a full deck Nige. It is by far the biggest breeding ground for misinformation on the planet.
So just a quick check of the politifact website and looking at the funding they receive and from whom.

In 2016 they received a grant of over £126,000 from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and again in 2015 another $70,000.This is before we even delve into who the individual grants were made by and who indirectly funded the democracy funding aswell.



I can also link the funding that the BBC are receiving every year from the Bill and Melinda gates foundation which runs into tens of millions every year.
 
There you go......an actual link by the BBC saying who gives "Media Action" a BBC charity money......so you're 'hinting' that BG giving BBC money on the QT to a 'charity' means BG decides who's going to be on One show...or that Watchdog wont be knocking on his secret hide out on the Moon...?

And it's £2.2m a year......not "Tens of millions"..... 🤔 .........It's a 10 second Google to get the real info...but you still cant tell it straight and have to make up some bu##s#it to fit your wacky stories.
 
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I can also link the funding that the BBC are receiving every year from the Bill and Melinda gates foundation which runs into tens of millions every year.

I'll save you the bother.
Just to correct your misleading statement, they don't fund "the BBC" per se.
And they don't pay "tens of millions".

They contribute to BBC Media Action, a charitable offshoot that seeks to make "informative and educational TV, radio and digital programmes" for worldwide consumption.

Funding of BBC Media Action

Media Action's total income was £35.4m, of which the BMG Foundation contributed £2.2m, or 6.2%.
The Foreign and Commonwealth Office, the Department for International Development and the European Commission all contributed more.
Those bodies would not wish to be associated with a lesser contributor who sought to use their position to put the BBC in their pocket.

But I'm sure you'll still try to put your own peculiar spin on it...
 
it will always be a more frightening and less transparent world when globalists such as Gates, Branson and the thoroughly evil Soros are given increased influence and control. It is about power, wealth and control. Not one of them has a concern for their fellow human being.
 
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