Bit concerned about Jerry

Shiggy

Shiggy

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Ever since he's signed for us, I've been desperate for him to do well. It took him a while to get going for us last season but I don't need to tell anyone on here how good he turned out to be. The guy is so likeable in every way, and his effort can never be faulted. Probably my favourite player, which is why I'm struggling to work out what I'm feeling in regards to his form over the last few months.

However, if we consider the entire season so far, would we say its been a successful one for him?

Admittedly, he's suffered when it comes to game time due to our reliance on Madine. It nearly always comes down to it being him or Lavery to partner big Gaz, and I think overall Lavery has had the better season even with his injuries, so as a result Yates has been on the bench a lot more than he would have wanted, and as much as I want him to be starting regularly it's been fair enough. To put it simply, he hasn't contributed enough.

Of course, there's always been more to his game than goals, no game epitomised that more last season than the play-off final, where he won back possession and started the attack for the first goal and directly assisted the second. He also set up Bowler's winner at Stoke beautifully. However, there's been numerous times this season where he has failed to have any real impact, and I think this is the main reason why Critchley has put him on the bench more often rather than simply a lack of goals.

So what happens next? Does he potentially move on in the summer to somewhere he's guaranteed more playing time? Personally, I don't want to see him go. Maybe he needed a full season to adjust to this level and next season he'll be more like the player we all know he can be. This is what I'm hoping for.​
 
Fair post. I think there are just too many games where it doesn’t quite happen for Jerry.
He came off the bench against Stoke and was fantastic.
I wouldn’t be looking to get rid but I think moving forward as a club he may be used more as an impact sub.
 
Shiggy said:
Ever since he's signed for us, I've been desperate for him to do well. It took him a while to get going for us last season but I don't need to tell anyone on here how good he turned out to be. The guy is so likeable in every way, and his effort can never be faulted. Probably my favourite player, which is why I'm struggling to work out what I'm feeling in regards to his form over the last few months.

However, if we consider the entire season so far, would we say its been a successful one for him?

Admittedly, he's suffered when it comes to game time due to our reliance on Madine. It nearly always comes down to it being him or Lavery to partner big Gaz, and I think overall Lavery has had the better season even with his injuries, so as a result Yates has been on the bench a lot more than he would have wanted, and as much as I want him to be starting regularly it's been fair enough. To put it simply, he hasn't contributed enough.

Of course, there's always been more to his game than goals, no game epitomised that more last season than the play-off final, where he won back possession and started the attack for the first goal and directly assisted the second. He also set up Bowler's winner at Stoke beautifully. However, there's been numerous times this season where he has failed to have any real impact, and I think this is the main reason why Critchley has put him on the bench more often rather than simply a lack of goals.

So what happens next? Does he potentially move on in the summer to somewhere he's guaranteed more playing time? Personally, I don't want to see him go. Maybe he needed a full season to adjust to this level and next season he'll be more like the player we all know he can be. This is what I'm hoping for.​
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Good post. It's a dilemma, it really is. He is one of mine to make way but you can't deny the man's effort and commitment. Yesterday after Forest's third he was going round the players geeing them up. I like that a lot. It's important. My issue is that to get up this League we need to frighten defences with proven goalscorers at this level. Is Jerry there? I want him to be but, head over heart, I don't think he is.
 
Madine gets binned in the closed season & we have to change the way we play. If that happens would like to think Yates gets more game time
 
You'd have to ask what his role in the team is.

Personally I think his effort is 100% and his goalscoring about 25%- that's not his fault, he doesn't get the ball when and where he wants it, he also has no midfield drivers who occupy defenders/DM's.

Lad's on a hiding to nothing atm. Hopefully come the summer we'll see players in who can help JY. Tin hat here I can understand why Madine plays, largely for defensive duties, but his hold up play and lay offs aren't the best and tbh we aren't getting the best out of him either, he needs the ball to come across in front of him for him to score and bring players in.

I think Critch will see these next 2 games as games to go and win for the fans and after that we'll see a more relaxed approach in selection.
 
Shiggy said:
Ever since he's signed for us, I've been desperate for him to do well. It took him a while to get going for us last season but I don't need to tell anyone on here how good he turned out to be. The guy is so likeable in every way, and his effort can never be faulted. Probably my favourite player, which is why I'm struggling to work out what I'm feeling in regards to his form over the last few months.

However, if we consider the entire season so far, would we say its been a successful one for him?

Admittedly, he's suffered when it comes to game time due to our reliance on Madine. It nearly always comes down to it being him or Lavery to partner big Gaz, and I think overall Lavery has had the better season even with his injuries, so as a result Yates has been on the bench a lot more than he would have wanted, and as much as I want him to be starting regularly it's been fair enough. To put it simply, he hasn't contributed enough.

Of course, there's always been more to his game than goals, no game epitomised that more last season than the play-off final, where he won back possession and started the attack for the first goal and directly assisted the second. He also set up Bowler's winner at Stoke beautifully. However, there's been numerous times this season where he has failed to have any real impact, and I think this is the main reason why Critchley has put him on the bench more often rather than simply a lack of goals.

So what happens next? Does he potentially move on in the summer to somewhere he's guaranteed more playing time? Personally, I don't want to see him go. Maybe he needed a full season to adjust to this level and next season he'll be more like the player we all know he can be. This is what I'm hoping for.​
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Mentioned this before.... Jamie Vardy, in his first season in the Championship, only managed 4 goals in 26 league appearances that year. Jerry Yates already has 7 goals in 34 appearances.

Don't forget, Jerry has gone up 2 leagues in 2 seasons. Let's see how his next couple of seasons go. This season might prove to have been an acclimatiser before he kicks on again.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
There are some giants in this league. That Davis yesterday - F-ing huge. Gary Madine is essential. Not only for his height. His ball control is brilliant and he can hold the ball up and lay it off well. I'd retain him like a shot. Doesn't mean the forward line should revolve around him mind.
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Thank you for saying this as it saved me doing so... 🤣
 
A lot of sense between you guys there. We’re not privy to the “Jerry” on the training pitch or socially (though we can guess). He’s likeable and good to have around.
Like all strikers, they have good and bad streaks. And, remember his “Messi” goal against Northampton(?) or the 60yrd sprint against Pompey?
He might be straining at this level BUT, I would say keep him for another season or if a significant bid/he wants to go there, then okay.
 
I think we've a problem with all three strikers (obviously not seen anything of Beesley) that they work better in a pair which is fine but like yesterday and the start of the season you can get overun in midfield with playing two up top.

I thought Keshi was the man to be that number 10(has it on his back!)who could play that role but for whatever reason is better cutting in from out wide and suited for a 4-3-3 role which Critch wanted to play from the off.

I love Jerry but just think he's a shade below Championship level it happens so I'll be sad to see him go and he's going to be lucky to stay in this league but I time to move him on in summer I'm afraid.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Mentioned this before.... Jamie Vardy, in his first season in the Championship, only managed 4 goals in 26 league appearances that year. Jerry Yates already has 7 goals in 34 appearances.

Don't forget, Jerry has gone up 2 leagues in 2 seasons. Let's see how his next couple of seasons go. This season might prove to have been an acclimatiser before he kicks on again.
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Good stat
All striker go through barren patches, but his attitude means he remains a fan favourite
 
poolseasider said:
I think we've a problem with all three strikers (obviously not seen anything of Beesley) that they work better in a pair which is fine but like yesterday and the start of the season you can get overun in midfield with playing two up top.

I thought Keshi was the man to be that number 10(has it on his back!)who could play that role but for whatever reason is better cutting in from out wide and suited for a 4-3-3 role which Critch wanted to play from the off.

I love Jerry but just think he's a shade below Championship level it happens so I'll be sad to see him go and he's going to be lucky to stay in this league but I time to move him on in summer I'm afraid.
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Need an Ellis Simms type to bring out the best in him, and Beesley may be that man
 
very good thought provoking o/p. I like founts summary of 100% effort, 25% goalscoring sums it up well. There's no doubt it's just not happening for him at the moment and it hasn't for a while. But this is a tough division, he's stepped up two divisions in two seasons and he's coming up against better quality defenders. So in that regard, he's getting very few chances. When did he last miss a chance where we all thought he should have scored? A long time ago. We have to stick with him - that doesn't mean starting him every week - but having faith in him to come good. But the question is, is there a player out there who we can afford who can guarantee us goals. That's the gamble if we let Jerry go..
 
Fatboy said:
When we sign a ball playing midfielder who can pass the ball into the right areas without having to waste valuable time thinking about it, we will get more goals from Jerry and from Gaz, and anyone else who makes up the forward line. Just my opinion 😜
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That's very true bur every opposition team manager knows we are totally dependent on getting the ball out to the wings. Our whole game is built around that at the moment.
 
Ideally we would have a strong, physical and mobile centre forward like their number 9 yesterday, however we have a strong and physical centre forward and a mobile one, they just aren’t the same person. This means we have 2 upfront, but as said we don’t create much from centre midfield. Just flicked through bits yesterday and that was a pen on Yates after Stewart and put him through, but that rarely happens.

I don’t know how true it is but there’s rumours that there was an offer for him in January and he was up for going, which I get if more £££… and as we rotate a lot. I don’t mind rotating but not if someone is doing well and in good form which has happened to both Yates and Lavery after they have scored.

He scored some top goals last season, finish at Hudds this season was class, but to have an attacking ball playing central midfielder behind him would mean one up tops and I don’t think he can do that in this League as there are some big units.

Get him chances and he’ll score but I would start Lavery Tuesday, I think he’s more of a threat at moment.
 
Sometimes it just takes a player a a lot longer to get going in certain leauges ,hopefully he will kick on next season having got a bit used to playing in the championship, not a time to write him of yet he,s still relatively young,.
 
I think both Lavery and Yates have suffered from being rotated as Madine gets to play every week. I still would like to see Yates and Lavery start a game and play the ball down the channels with Bowler and Keshi supporting...Both Jerry and Shane are mobile and hard working and would suit a high press.
 
20togo said:
That's very true bur every opposition team manager knows we are totally dependent on getting the ball out to the wings. Our whole game is built around that at the moment.
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Which is why CJ should stay out wide. That way they have 2 wings to worry about. From my pov having Keshi out there is Ok...ish, but he makes the strikers come to him and the 1/2 in the box are outnumbered.

Now is the time to say to KA play behind the front 1/2 and drive into the box. That's the way forward.
 
fcblackpool said:
Which is why CJ should stay out wide. That way they have 2 wings to worry about. From my pov having Keshi out there is Ok...ish, but he makes the strikers come to him and the 1/2 in the box are outnumbered.

Now is the time to say to KA play behind the front 1/2 and drive into the box. That's the way forward.
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It's certainly something I think Critch should have tried more often than he has but it seems the two wide players is much more preferred method.
 
snowy797 said:
Feel sorry for him too. The reality is he can't link up with Madine because Madine is technically awful. Need keshi behind him to get the best out of him imo.
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Wouldn't say Madine is technically awful but a 4 4 1 1 with Anderson behind Yates or Lavery sounds good to me.
 
Anyone doubting Jerry's ability and commitment needs to look at Stoke away and blah, blah games too!
FFS we have stepped up a league after zero fans in the ground. Goal scorer/Centre Forward, Number 10. Let's all pile in
 
Yep agree with everyone above. Jerry is going to be more effective with an attacking CM behind him, threading passed. Keshi or Sonny Carey in the current squad.

Don't see any reason why Jerry and Shayne couldn't play as a pair in that kind of set up. Obviously means a sea change in our basic modus operandi and becoming less aerial than we currently are.

Say a back four, two holding mids plus a "no 10", two mobile forwards like JY and SL. Still leaves room for a floating winger type with license to roam. Bomb the FBs on in attack.

Gaz is in good shape now, match fit and been a good focal point. He's trying hard to fit into the closing down ethic up top, but unfortunately his lack of real pace means he's not going to be successful. But he is expending a lot of energy trying to be.

I think we've hit on a formula with a match fit Gaz and a continuously improving Josh Bowler. It's been successful and guaranteed our safety. Different to last year's style for certain. I'd be surprised if it's Critch's only consideration in the future. Summer recruitment and who's still here in August will tell us everything about that one.
 
snowy797 said:
Feel sorry for him too. The reality is he can't link up with Madine because Madine is technically awful. Need keshi behind him to get the best out of him imo.
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Sorry but calling Madine “technically awful” is way off the mark
 
SeasideTerrier said:
Anyone doubting Jerry's ability and commitment needs to look at Stoke away and blah, blah games too!
FFS we have stepped up a league after zero fans in the ground. Goal scorer/Centre Forward, Number 10. Let's all pile in
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Think this completely misses the point of my post. I mentioned both his performance away at Stoke and the step up to this level. Also, haven’t seen anyone doubting his commitment.

Wasn’t trying to incite a pile on and I don’t think I was overly critical.

Rather raising questions about his capability at this level and what happens next.
 
SeasideTerrier said:
Anyone doubting Jerry's ability and commitment needs to look at Stoke away and blah, blah games too!
FFS we have stepped up a league after zero fans in the ground. Goal scorer/Centre Forward, Number 10. Let's all pile in
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Exactly, so many threads on here lately are making us look like nobenders ploughing into our players, slagging them off and in doing so forgetting how brilliant they have been over the last couple of seasons. How far have these players come? They know where they are, they know what they need to be and they will rise to it.
 
Jerry is a high class striker and one that brings out the best in others. He needs a creative midfield player, and as already mentioned, Boxing Day at Huddersfield we saw the formation that brings out the best in the team.

If we lost Jerry it would be a sad day and fans and perhaps NC might get his importance to the team. Gaz does his thing, Lavery does his, but neither has the all round ability of Jerry.

Jerry he will go on to score plenty at Championship level.
 
If we accept we Ned Madine in the team, and I think we do, then his strike partner needs to be the one scoring the bulk of our goals. Sadly Jerry just doesn’t score enough.

The sad fact is that I think the Championship might be a bridge too far for him and ultimately we may need to look elsewhere.
 
At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, that’s why we’ve missed a creative midfielder or two. It’s alright lumping balls up to Madine. He can work with that type of service. Yates & Lavery can’t. Bowler and Keshi are left to make something out of nothing. Our ponderous, predicable build up play from the back allows most Championship defences plenty of time to organise themselves or pressurise us into giving away possession. Forest showed how to be incisive. We have all the cutting edge of child safety scissors.
 
Fylde Seasider said:
Exactly, so many threads on here lately are making us look like nobenders ploughing into our players, slagging them off and in doing so forgetting how brilliant they have been over the last couple of seasons. How far have these players come? They know where they are, they know what they need to be and they will rise to it.
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Absolutely no one on this thread is "ploughing into players".
 
Shiggy said:
Absolutely no one on this thread is "ploughing into players".
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I think I alluded to the board as a whole rather than this thread.

Although you did make a point about calling Madine technically awful was "way off the mark." Is their comment then just constructive criticism? 🤷🤣
 
Fylde Seasider said:
I think I alluded to the board as a whole rather than this thread.

Although you did make a point about calling Madine technically awful was "way off the mark." Is their comment then just constructive criticism? 🤷🤣
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disagreed with the comment but still don't think that's as bad as your post made out. However, if you were talking about the rest of the board then that's my misunderstanding, probably wouldn't disagree.
 
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