Blackpool South by-election poll.

Which party will you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 11 17.7%

  • Labour

    Votes: 28 45.2%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Green

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Reform UK

    Votes: 19 30.6%
  • Total voters
    62
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aquaduck

aquaduck

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... i know, they're all as bad as each other but just to change the conversation...

Just to add - Blackpool South voters only please. Let's keep it scientific.
 
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aquaduck said:
... i know, they're all as bad as each other but just to change the conversation...

Just to add - Blackpool South voters only please. Let's keep it scientific.
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Maybe should have done a public vote maybe for a bit more transparency, to see if any were voting who shouldn't be.
 
JJpool said:
Maybe should have done a public vote maybe for a bit more transparency, to see if any were voting who shouldn't be.
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I’ll give you a clue. Reform are for potential Trumpites 🤬 Green whilst ok is a protest vote mainly & you’d have to be barking mad to vote Tory after the shitshow we’ve been through. 😬
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I see the RWNJs have been quick off the mark. I'm not going to cheat so I won't vote tempting though it is.
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Think you need to grow up with the labelling, obviously you seem a bit on edge by the poll so far.

Seeing as the poll is private I'd imagine there may be a few sad acts looking to alter it who shouldn't.

I've not voted as I don't reside in that constituency anymore, maybe it can be edited at the end to a public poll and we might see if anyone has been dishonest.
 
JJpool said:
Think you need to grow up with the labelling, obviously you seem a bit on edge by the poll so far.

Seeing as the poll is private I'd imagine there may be a few sad acts looking to alter it who shouldn't.

I've not voted as I don't reside in that constituency anymore, maybe it can be edited at the end to a public poll and we might see if anyone has been dishonest.
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I could use my 50 usernames 😂
 
Sooty59 said:
I’ll give you a clue. Reform are for potential Trumpites 🤬 Green whilst ok is a protest vote mainly & you’d have to be barking mad to vote Tory after the shitshow we’ve been through. 😬
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I take it you've read their manifesto? Or are you just spouting judgemental tripe... an odd thing to say really isn't it.

Agree about voting tory, a spent force that needs to lose the next election and maybe why many are going for reform.

Many people think they're all as bad as each other and the same old tired 2 party shite never brings real change, the only way to get that is to give them a kick and go for someone new.

The glib dems are so boring no-one really cares, the greens will hit motorists massively and completely inconvenience millions.

So what is left, reform have a decent guy in the by-election, say they'll actually do some of the things the Tories couldn't, lifting income tax to 20k to help the cost of living and get some benefit claimants back to work, also some sensible and common sense policies like some public ownership of utilities and stopping sewage in the seas for eg. A no nonsense approach, proper deterrent for crimes, looking after veterans etc. What's not to like.
 
JJpool said:
I take it you've read their manifesto? Or are you just spouting judgemental tripe... an odd thing to say really isn't it.

Agree about voting tory, a spent force that needs to lose the next election and maybe why many are going for reform.

Many people think they're all as bad as each other and the same old tired 2 party shite never brings real change, the only way to get that is to give them a kick and go for someone new.

The glib dems are so boring no-one really cares, the greens will hit motorists massively and completely inconvenience millions.

So what is left, reform have a decent guy in the by-election, say they'll actually do some of the things the Tories couldn't, lifting income tax to 20k to help the cost of living and get some benefit claimants back to work, also some sensible and common sense policies like some public ownership of utilities and stopping sewage in the seas for eg. A no nonsense approach, proper deterrent for crimes, looking after veterans etc. What's not to like.
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I completely forgot about the Lib Dems oops. As for Reform/Ukip or whatever. They represent the populist right wing objectives & lure the vulnerable amongst us in to their misguided way of thinking almost as bad as the National Front.
 
JJpool said:
Think you need to grow up with the labelling, obviously you seem a bit on edge by the poll so far.

Seeing as the poll is private I'd imagine there may be a few sad acts looking to alter it who shouldn't.

I've not voted as I don't reside in that constituency anymore, maybe it can be edited at the end to a public poll and we might see if anyone has been dishonest.
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Hey dude, relax. I'm cool y'awl.
 
Sooty59 said:
I completely forgot about the Lib Dems oops. As for Reform/Ukip or whatever. They represent the populist right wing objectives & lure the vulnerable amongst us in to their misguided way of thinking almost as bad as the National Front.
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Misguided, vulnerable 😅 Classic, can't accept people have a different view so they must have been taken advantage of somehow.

I'd say it's deluded to keep voting for the same 2 parties and expecting things to really change and also people voting elsewhere in safe seats may as well not bother, so vote for someone to change that broken system.

It would quite mad, given the shit people give the local labour council, to then go out and vote Labour IMO.

If I was criticising a party and thought they were utterly useless, would I then go out and vote for them nationally, I very much doubt it, but some people are a bit mad so whoknows.
 
Everyone decries the Greens as a wasted vote. I've lived in the Bradford area since 1982 and originally there were no Green Councillors. That has gradually changed, and we now have four on the council in this area, three of them from Shipley. A vote for labour when they were formed was probably a wasted vote at that time, but gradually they have become a force. So never say never.
 
I'll vote Labour, not that I've any great love for the leadership and I'm not sure about Webb ( there's public sector and public sector fella) but it'll be tactical and I'd rather chop my legs off at the knee and crawl to the booth than see Reform get in (same with the Tories obviously but they could lose their deposit).

Like Mates says above 'none of the above' and a no result would be preferable.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I'll vote Labour, not that I've any great love for the leadership and I'm not sure about Webb ( there's public sector and public sector fella) but it'll be tactical and I'd rather chop my legs off at the knee and crawl to the booth than see Reform get in (same with the Tories obviously but they could lose their deposit).

Like Mates says above 'none of the above' and a no result would be preferable.
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The time for criticising Labour is after they are in office and we see what they do.
 
We've been watching the C4 documentary "Defiance : Fighting the Far Right" this week. Obviously almost exclusively shown from the Asian / Bengali perspective but a very good reminder of what a casually racist society we were back then. Mainly born out of fear and ignorance that was cynically exploited - but still pretty ugly.

Those brain dead idiots giving Nazi salutes in Southall haven't gone away. They've just got older and more resentful about their total failure to take decent, fair-minded people with them. All of which seems to lead some of them to defend the indefensible, thus putting their personal inadequacies on show for all to see.
 
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We've been watching the C4 documentary "Defiance : Fighting the Far Right" this week. Obviously almost exclusively shown from the Asian / Bengali perspective but a very good reminder of what a casually racist society we were back then. Mainly born out of fear and ignorance that was cynically exploited - but still pretty ugly.

Those brain dead idiots giving Nazi salutes in Southall haven't gone away. They've just got older and more resentful about their total failure to take decent, fair-minded people with them. All of which seems to lead some of them to defend the indefensible, thus putting their personal inadequacies on show for all to see.
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I've also been watching it and i agree with a lot of what you say

The point i take from it is that all too often people get a label of being far right in this country be it the government or various news outlets, even people on this very site

And to be frank it couldn't be further away from the truth when you look at some of the things the NF used to come out with back in the 80s

We live in a much more tolerant country now, that's for sure
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I've also been watching it and i agree with a lot of what you say

The point i take from it is that all too often people get a label of being far right in this country be it the government or various news outlets, even people on this very site

And to be frank it couldn't be further away from the truth when you look at some of the things the NF used to come out with back in the 80s

We live in a much more tolerant country now, that's for sure
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It's completely devalued the meaning of it, Sadik Khan calling people against Ulez far right for e.g. or if someone is against mass uncontrolled immigration maybe, supported brexit etc.

It's nonesense and all these slurs are mainly used to try and silence and shut down debate with people with genuine concerns or legally held views.
 
Being against the Ullez charge or voting Brexit is not necessarily the politics solely of the "far right", although net zero positioning is in that area.

Reform does share a number of ideological and policy positions with established far right wing parties in Europe. They touch on real issues (economy, NHS, housing) link them to populist talking points (defence security, borders, national pride and identity) and point the blame at minoritised communities (Muslims, trans, refugees the `woke`!). This is a trope of the far right.

Reform is basically a party for those who find the Tories too soft, so by definition it is on the "far right" of the political spectrum, just as communism would be on the far left.

Somebody has to be on the "far right", and seeing as Reform already have had to expel a dozen or so of their declared candidates for racism and such like, they would appear to be it. It is what it is.

And nobody is trying to "silence and shut down debate" either on here or in the media. That`s just paranoia.

Just embrace your "far-rightism" and fly your freak flag proudly. It takes all sorts...;)
 
spudgun said:
Being against the Ullez charge or voting Brexit is not necessarily the politics solely of the "far right", although net zero positioning is in that area.

Reform does share a number of ideological and policy positions with established far right wing parties in Europe. They touch on real issues (economy, NHS, housing) link them to populist talking points (defence security, borders, national pride and identity) and point the blame at minoritised communities (Muslims, trans, refugees the `woke`!). This is a trope of the far right.

Reform is basically a party for those who find the Tories too soft, so by definition it is on the "far right" of the political spectrum, just as communism would be on the far left.

Somebody has to be on the "far right", and seeing as Reform already have had to expel a dozen or so of their declared candidates for racism and such like, they would appear to be it. It is what it is.

And nobody is trying to "silence and shut down debate" either on here or in the media. That`s just paranoia.

Just embrace your "far-rightism" and fly your freak flag proudly. It takes all sorts...;)
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Nonesense, being called far right has negative connotations given the way its perceived and can even have serious consequences.

It's also ridiculous when you see what the real far right is.

So no, I and I imagine others won't accept being called that given what it's meant to mean.

Of course these slurs are used to try and shut down debate, it's a classic lefty tactic to shut down anyone they disagree with and has completely devalued many of these words that used to actually mean something.

In modern times the left have always been the most intolerant to people with views that don't fit with theirs, many just can't tolerate those having an opposing view without resorting to this silly labelling, which we see all thr time even on here with RWNJ and more.
 
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JJpool said:
Nonesense, being called far right has negative connotations given the way its perceived and can even have serious consequences.

It's also ridiculous when you see what the real far right is.

So no, I and I imagine others won't accept being called that given what it's meant to mean.

Of course these slurs are used to try and shut down debate, it's a classic lefty tactic to shut down anyone they disagree with and has completely devalued many of these words that used to actually mean something.

In modern times the left have always been the most intolerant to people with views that don't fit with theirs, many just can't tolerate those having an opposing view without resorting to this silly labelling, which we see all thr time even on here with RWNJ and more.
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"Being called far right has negative connotations."

l should hope it does. Being far right is being beyond the accepted norms of Liberal democracy. The Conservative Party has edged closer to that fringe over the past ten years albeit without quite crossing the rubicon. The far left displays similar intolerance. Fortunately, I don't see any of the left wing posters on here being far left. As for the right wing posters on here...I see what I would call the populist right, which is too far to the right for what I would class as being responsible right wing thought, based within a Liberal democratic consensus.
 
I applaud the Raving Loony parties policy of increasing the red squirrel population.

By painting the grey ones.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
"Being called far right has negative connotations."

l should hope it does. Being far right is being beyond the accepted norms of Liberal democracy. The Conservative Party has edged closer to that fringe over the past ten years albeit without quite crossing the rubicon. The far left displays similar intolerance. Fortunately, I don't see any of the left wing posters on here being far left. As for the right wing posters on here...I see what I would call the populist right, which is too far to the right for what I would class as being responsible right wing thought, based within a Liberal democratic consensus.
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So you agree it's not correct to be called it then.

What you've seen on here is mostly fine I'd imagine, it may be too far to the right for your liking, but that's only because of where you sit and the way in which the accepted norms of society we're supposed to go along with have massively shifted to the left.
 
JJpool said:
So you agree it's not correct to be called it then.

What you've seen on here is mostly fine I'd imagine, it may be too far to the right for your liking, but that's only because of where you sit and the way in which the accepted norms of society we're supposed to go along with have massively shifted to the left.
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"you agree it's not correct to be called it then."

If the cap fits....
As for the political narrative shifting to the left....I must have missed that nano-second.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
"you agree it's not correct to be called it then."

If the cap fits....
As for the political narrative shifting to the left....I must have missed that nano-second.
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For normal posters on here it's a ridiculous thing to say.

You probably would as we don't tend to put as much scrutiny on things we agree with. But you can see easily in the ways the woke culture has got into society and some groups on the left have very high influence.
 
JJpool said:
Think you need to grow up with the labelling, obviously you seem a bit on edge by the poll so far.

Seeing as the poll is private I'd imagine there may be a few sad acts looking to alter it who shouldn't.

I've not voted as I don't reside in that constituency anymore, maybe it can be edited at the end to a public poll and we might see if anyone has been dishonest.
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I'm not a resident so haven't voted.

Just checking. The Reform UK candidate hasn't inadvertently died, has he? They have a track record for it.
 
JJpool said:
For normal posters on here it's a ridiculous thing to say.

You probably would as we don't tend to put as much scrutiny on things we agree with. But you can see easily in the ways the woke culture has got into society and some groups on the left have very high influence.
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There is no such thing as woke culture. It's a contrived narrative of the right. As for groups on the left having an influence...is that wrong?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
There is no such thing as woke culture. It's a contrived narrative of the right. As for groups on the left having an influence...is that wrong?
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Ah yes, the old laughing emoji. It covers a lack of considered response. You, Sir, are condemned by your laughing emoji. I spurn you as I would spurn a rabid dog!
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Ah yes, the old laughing emoji. It covers a lack of considered response. You, Sir, are condemned by your laughing emoji. I spurn you as I would spurn a rabid dog!
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You've replied to yourself you daft sod and no it's because it's funny to try and deny it exists.
 
I hereby demand that a credible candidate is put forward, Lord Buckethead Blackpool South needs you, do your duty.
 
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So not long to wait now, Labour expected to win, even read Conservatives are expected to be 2nd.

Talk of dirty tricks being employed...

I wonder if this poll be be anywhere near accurate?
 
JJpool said:
So not long to wait now, Labour expected to win, even read Conservatives are expected to be 2nd.

Talk of dirty tricks being employed...

I wonder if this poll be be anywhere near accurate?
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Yes, I'm interested in that too. I suspect that the Reform UK vote is overstated on here, given that the AVFTT demographic is much narrower than that of the voting-age population in Blackpool South. For the same reason I think both the Conservative and Labour votes are understated.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Yes, I'm interested in that too. I suspect that the Reform UK vote is overstated on here, given that the AVFTT demographic is much narrower than that of the voting-age population in Blackpool South. For the same reason I think both the Conservative and Labour votes are understated.
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We'll see, could be overrun with labour supporters on here...
 
inews.co.uk

'The Tories are finished': Reform test electoral threat in Blackpool by-election

Labour insiders say it feels like the party is the 'only player on the pitch'. However, Reform is fighting hard to beat the Conservatives into second place in Blackpool South
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Interesting article and highlights the longer term goal of Reform and the fact this by-election can be used to build and gain recognition before the big one.

It's also an interesting situation with it being so close to a general election as will the short stint work for the winning candidate? As many like to blame those in power for anything that goes wrong, giving ammon to the opposition.

"Reform is not fielding a full slate of local election candidates this week and its performance in the Blackpool South by-election will be closely scrutinised for signs of how much of a challenge the party will present the Tories with in the general election.

A Reform source said it was possible they could come second in the constituency. They said the “double blow of the Tories messing up” both in Fylde and Blackpool South had damaged the party’s reputation considerably in the area leaving a vaccum for Reform to fill.

If this doesn’t happen, will the party have to accept that it is not a serious political challenger? “No, we have always been following a six year strategy – our aim is the next election,” the source said.

Mr Butcher is known in the community through the charity he founded Amazing Graze, which provides food to the deprived and homeless in Blackpool.

The Charity Commission is looking into allegations that the soup kitchen was used to promote his political campaign, but he has denied wrongdoing and said the accusations were a “smear campaign” and an “attack” from political rivals.

If he comes second he said he will spend the coming months “giving Labour a bloody nose” before fighting again in the general election.
 
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