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I didn’t really care if the players knelt or not before. I wasn’t over enamoured by the BLM message but if the players felt it was an anti racist message and that worked for them, then so be it.

This week however - the players need to disassociate from these lunatics. Find another method to express theirselves. I don’t know what that is, but ditch the knee. If they don’t I fear they’ll be heavily heavily booed and not understand why?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Don't know why you bother. One look at the thread title and it's obvious that this is merely a sounding board through which the RWNJs can massage each others prejudices. Leave 'em to it. That way they're not bothering anyone else.
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go on then 66, back up your point. Name the racists who have posted on this thread. And I'm still waiting for Ollygon to provide evidence where I condemned the taking of the knee. It was a subject matter I generally stayed out of.

And it's rather amusing he calls me a racist whilst using the word Zionist in a derogatory manner. Maybe he takes his lead from an extreme left winger like Corbyn.
 
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The term racist is losing its meaning. It is thrown around like confetti. It's a discussion ender.
BLM is an American entity, totally different circumstances in the US. I'm half an hour from the border and can not fathom at times the mentality there. I'm not taking sides. I have met good, bad, and anywhere in between while I'm there, just like any other place on earth.
When I hear/read....RWNJ or LWNJ, I roll my eyes. It's just a difference of opinions. We have lost our ability to have constructive dialog.
 
Poolabroad said:
The term racist is losing its meaning. It is thrown around like confetti. It's a discussion ender.
BLM is an American entity, totally different circumstances in the US. I'm half an hour from the border and can not fathom at times the mentality there. I'm not taking sides. I have met good, bad, and anywhere in between while I'm there, just like any other place on earth.
When I hear/read....RWNJ or LWNJ, I roll my eyes. It's just a difference of opinions. We have lost our ability to have constructive dialog.
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Everyone seems to be a RWNJ these days on here except the person posting this drivel. 😃
 
I see M & S are promoting black history month, which is October. They’re doubling donations to Blueprint for All and the Black Curriculum. Another corporate on the bandwagon.
 
JJpool said:
It's interesting that rather than call out what BLM posted, which was a disgusting reference to a slaughter, you'd rather call out posters who dare to raise or comment on the subject.

I think that says a lot.
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You are referring to a fringe organisation that has little more than the most peripheral impact on anything. They don't interest me. Conversely, the wider concept "Black lives matter" is, I believe, a noble idea.
 
20togo said:
go on then 66, back up your point. Name the racists who have posted on this thread. And I'm still waiting for Ollygon to provide evidence where I condemned the taking of the knee. It was a subject matter I generally stayed out of.

And it's rather amusing he calls me a racist whilst using the word Zionist in a derogatory manner. Maybe he takes his lead from an extreme left winger like Corbyn.
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If I were to adopt your modus operandi on this site I could say, "show me where I said anyone was racist." I never mentioned the word. But I don't adopt that approach because it's silly and doesn't further the discussion.

It seems to be the same posters that routinely start and contribute to BLM threads but only when it involves the fringe American group of that name as opposed to the wider, and welcome, concept.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
If I were to adopt your modus operandi on this site I could say, "show me where I said anyone was racist." I never mentioned the word. But I don't adopt that approach because it's silly and doesn't further the discussion.

It seems to be the same posters that routinely start and contribute to BLM threads but only when it involves the fringe American group of that name as opposed to the wider, and welcome, concept.
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I think it perfectly reasonable that when accusations are thrown out as was the case here, then it's right that the person making the accusations back it up. And whereas you might not have used the word racist yourself, your post in reply to Ollygon left no doubt as to what you were implying.
 
20togo said:
I think it perfectly reasonable that when accusations are thrown out as was the case here, then it's right that the person making the accusations back it up. And whereas you might not have used the word racist yourself, your post in reply to Ollygon left no doubt as to what you were implying.
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20s, I think there's a lingering but shallow whiff of racism on here. I don't think it's a major issue. If it were, I wouldn't stay on the site. Threads like this though, I don't think they serve any purpose other than to reinforce the minor prejudices of those who hold these views about BLM, the fringe organisation.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
20s, I think there's a lingering but shallow whiff of racism on here. I don't think it's a major issue. If it were, I wouldn't stay on the site. Threads like this though, I don't think they serve any purpose other than to reinforce the minor prejudices of those who hold these views about BLM, the fringe organisation.
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...and a whiff of anti-semitism too?
 
Sven said:
This is misleading, the article you have posted concerns BLM Chicago whereas your post suggests it's BLM as a whole.

Some nutter in Chicago has posted something out of order online so you use it to condemn a whole movement? Ridiculous.

I am not a supporter of BLM, I couldn't care less what they do because I don't see them as a threat and I am not afraid, unlike some of the sad little men on this thread.
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Sad little men?

Nothing wrong with pointing out what the organisation are like as they reveal themselves.

So what you're basically saying is... what happens in the US isnt relevant to us here? I suppose you're right in a way, it wasn't really relevant to us in the UK what happened to 1 guy over there was it, as we don't have anywhere near the same issues, but it didn't stop the movement being brought over here did it.

It's a branch of BLM with the same values. They've been involved in a lot of things including fraud.

Instead of turning on fellow pool fans maybe your first move should be to condemn what was posted.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You are referring to a fringe organisation that has little more than the most peripheral impact on anything. They don't interest me. Conversely, the wider concept "Black lives matter" is, I believe, a noble idea.
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Their clever ploy was that the group was the same name as the message, as no one normal disagrees that black lives matter, it goes without saying.

But the group are seperate and many people got hoodwinked by them, a few on this thread it seems.

They are now being shown up.

They have also shown themselves up in this country too, defund the police, fraud, supporting critical race theory. They have increased racial tensions, not reduced it.

Also...

"UK Black Lives Matter retweeted approvingly a picture of the terrorist bulldozer smashing down the Israeli fence, an attack on the Balfour declaration and messages blaming Israel. It rejected David Lammy’s condemnation of Hamas, and retweeted “‘Black lives matter’ and ‘I stand with Israel’ are two things that can’t coexist.” Chicago BLM tweeted an image of the terrorists entering Israel on a paraglider. "

Yeah, you carry on supporting them.
 
JJpool said:
Their clever ploy was that the group was the same name as the message, as no one normal disagrees that black lives matter, it goes without saying.

But the group are seperate and many people got hoodwinked by them, a few on this thread it seems.

They are now being shown up.

They have also shown themselves up in this country too, defund the police, fraud, supporting critical race theory. They have increased racial tensions, not reduced it.

Also...

"UK Black Lives Matter retweeted approvingly a picture of the terrorist bulldozer smashing down the Israeli fence, an attack on the Balfour declaration and messages blaming Israel. It rejected David Lammy’s condemnation of Hamas, and retweeted “‘Black lives matter’ and ‘I stand with Israel’ are two things that can’t coexist.” Chicago BLM tweeted an image of the terrorists entering Israel on a paraglider. "

Yeah, you carry on supporting them.
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Clearly, you haven't read my posts.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
If I were to adopt your modus operandi on this site I could say, "show me where I said anyone was racist." I never mentioned the word. But I don't adopt that approach because it's silly and doesn't further the discussion.

It seems to be the same posters that routinely start and contribute to BLM threads but only when it involves the fringe American group of that name as opposed to the wider, and welcome, concept.
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No one would care if the initial goal was just about equality.

Ok the issues didn't apply here anywhere near as much, so it's didn't work over here really.

But the group have some dodgy goals as stated and keep showing themselves up.

They haven't helped make society more together it's more divided.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
20s, I think there's a lingering but shallow whiff of racism on here. I don't think it's a major issue. If it were, I wouldn't stay on the site. Threads like this though, I don't think they serve any purpose other than to reinforce the minor prejudices of those who hold these views about BLM, the fringe organisation.
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The thread was about recent events and how a disgusting post from a branch of blm, who have the same aims as blm, shown them up as an organisation that shouldn't be given the time of day given what else they stand for.
 
JJpool said:
No one would care if the initial goal was just about equality.

Ok the issues didn't apply here anywhere near as much, so it's didn't work over here really.

But the group have some dodgy goals as stated and keep showing themselves up.

They haven't helped make society more together it's more divided.
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As I wrote, the group is marginal. The concept is universal.
 
JJpool said:
The thread was about recent events and how a disgusting post from a branch of blm, who have the same aims as blm, shown them up as an organisation that shouldn't be given the time of day given what else they stand for.
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I don't think they are given the time of day. As I have said they are marginal and peripheral.
 
20togo said:
no most certainly not. It's pretty clear on this thread who that is aimed at.
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You're so deep in your hole now. You really should stop digging.

A word of advice. You'll never better me. I'll always come up with a retort to make you look stupid.

But I don't really need to try, as you're so good at that already.

Looking out of the window, the sky's nearly black now. You must be feeling very uncomfortable! Or doesn't that matter?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I don't think they are given the time of day. As I have said they are marginal and peripheral.
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Yeah, so marginal people still adopt their kneeling symbol and they still have loads of influence in the black community and with their donations.

Infact I did read something that said some BLM donations may have ended up going to hammas.

1966_and_all_that said:
I really think you need to balance your concerns. BLM, the fringe American organisation are not worth your angst.
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The thread was started to point out what they stand for, I notice you haven't condemned what they posted in support of the atrocity... a bit odd.

Your first post on the thread was not to condemn but to attack people pointing it out.

That's a bizarre way to approach it.

Surely people against it should condemn it?
 
Ollygon said:
You're so deep in your hole now. You really should stop digging.

A word of advice. You'll never better me. I'll always come up with a retort to make you look stupid.

But I don't really need to try, as you're so good at that already.

Looking out of the window, the sky's nearly black now. You must be feeling very uncomfortable! Or doesn't that matter?
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what you can't do is come with evidence saying that I've condemned taking the knee. So that hole is yours to dig even further. And trust me, don't take advice from a loony lefty anti-semite such as you.
 
JJpool said:
Yeah, so marginal people still adopt their kneeling symbol and they still have loads of influence in the black community and with their donations.

Infact I did read something that said some BLM donations may have ended up going to hammas.


The thread was started to point out what they stand for, I notice you haven't condemned what they posted in support of the atrocity... a bit odd.

Your first post on the thread was not to condemn but to attack people pointing it out.

That's a bizarre way to approach it.

Surely people against it should condemn it?
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You're in deep.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Never supported them.
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Fine, but you're first post on this thread was not to be reasonable and say clearly what they posted, a picture of a paraglider and saying they supported Palestine, a clear nod to the atrocities, was disgusting, your first thought was to attack posters on the thread.

I'd say you have some weird morals.

Let's remember what they did to those innocent people, slaughtered men women and children in a sickening way. That tweet was an absolute shitshow of a tweet and exposed a horrible way of thinking amongst part of that group.

I imagine you and others wouldn't be so relaxed about it if it was someone you really disliked.

Infact, let's compare the failure of many to call this out to the complete overreaction to Lawrence Fox saying he wouldn't shag someone. People on here lost their shit about that didn't they.

Amazing.
 
JJpool said:
Fine, but you're first post on this thread was not to be reasonable and say clearly what they posted, a picture of a paraglider and saying they supported Palestine, a clear nod to the atrocities, was disgusting, your first thought was to attack posters on the thread.

I'd say you have some weird morals.

Let's remember what they did to those innocent people, slaughtered men women and children in a sickening way. That tweet was an absolute shitshow of a tweet and exposed a horrible way of thinking amongst part of that group.

I imagine you and others wouldn't be so relaxed about it if it was someone you really disliked.

Infact, let's compare the failure of many to call this out to the complete overreaction to Lawrence Fox saying he wouldn't shag someone. People on here lost their shit about that didn't they.

Amazing.
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Err, not me.
 
JJpool said:
Sad little men?

Nothing wrong with pointing out what the organisation are like as they reveal themselves.

So what you're basically saying is... what happens in the US isnt relevant to us here? I suppose you're right in a way, it wasn't really relevant to us in the UK what happened to 1 guy over there was it, as we don't have anywhere near the same issues, but it didn't stop the movement being brought over here did it.

It's a branch of BLM with the same values. They've been involved in a lot of things including fraud.

Instead of turning on fellow pool fans maybe your first move should be to condemn what was posted.
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You keep referring to BLM as an organisation or a group, it's neither of those things.

I'm not basically saying anything of the sort, you've jumped to some conclusion there!

What I have a problem with is you taking an isolated incident and using it to slate a whole movement whilst using factually incorrect definitions and using words like 'they' or 'they've', insinuating anybody involved with them would hold the same views or be a dodgy fucker.

The reality is that you're completely misrepresenting what BLM actually is, it's a loose de-centralised social movement/slogan with some core values, none of which are particularly radical.

I did say that the Chicago fella was out of order and called him a nutter.

You've been talking absolute nonsense on the subject since post #1, wrong on many levels.
 
Still can’t believe for a number of games the Premier League instructed clubs to ensure their players had Black Lives Matter on the back of their tops instead of their own names…. and badges on the sleeves.

Completely and utterly bonkers and they must feel completely and utterly stupid now.

Virtue signalling mad.

To be fair most of the country were nuts at the time but it’s a classic example of just jumping on the latest thing/narrative.
 
Sven said:
You keep referring to BLM as an organisation or a group, it's neither of those things.

I'm not basically saying anything of the sort, you've jumped to some conclusion there!

What I have a problem with is you taking an isolated incident and using it to slate a whole movement whilst using factually incorrect definitions and using words like 'they' or 'they've', insinuating anybody involved with them would hold the same views or be a dodgy fucker.

The reality is that you're completely misrepresenting what BLM actually is, it's a loose de-centralised social movement/slogan with some core values, none of which are particularly radical.

I did say that the Chicago fella was out of order and called him a nutter.

You've been talking absolute nonsense on the subject since post #1, wrong on many levels.
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What a load of absolute horse shite
 
Sven said:
You keep referring to BLM as an organisation or a group, it's neither of those things.

I'm not basically saying anything of the sort, you've jumped to some conclusion there!

What I have a problem with is you taking an isolated incident and using it to slate a whole movement whilst using factually incorrect definitions and using words like 'they' or 'they've', insinuating anybody involved with them would hold the same views or be a dodgy fucker.

The reality is that you're completely misrepresenting what BLM actually is, it's a loose de-centralised social movement/slogan with some core values, none of which are particularly radical.

I did say that the Chicago fella was out of order and called him a nutter.

You've been talking absolute nonsense on the subject since post #1, wrong on many levels.
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They have people in positions of power like any organisation, the people who run the social media, who organise, handle the money etc.

An isolated incident? You're completely deluded, they've been pushing ridiculous ideas since the get go, was never just about equality. Defund the police.... come on.

I've not said anyone involved is dodgy, only that they keep showing themselves up.

No I haven't, it's only a handful of nutty lefties who can't admit they were wrong here.

As usual you've taken up a position that just doesn't stack up.

www.gbnews.com

Black Lives Matter paid £1.4million to companies owned by co-founder's relatives

The movement paid large sums of money to family members of co-founder Patrisse Cullors, including her brother and the father of her child
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

www.dailymail.co.uk

BLM organiser behind Edward Colston statue protest admits fraud

Xahra Saleem, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of fraud by abuse of position following an investigation by police into a GoFundMe page set up ahead of the protest in Bristol in June 2020.
www.dailymail.co.uk

BLM finances under fire: Only 33% of donations given to charities as execs paid millions

thenationaldesk.com thenationaldesk.com


Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll | Black Lives Matter movement | The Guardian

Organisers of BLM say findings show movement has exposed pre-existing fault lines
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

www.spiked-online.com

BLM has set anti-racism back decades

BLM promotes a politics of division and victimhood at the expense of social solidarity.
www.spiked-online.com

Their support of critical race theory, the article in the op, a disgusting reference to cold blooded murder of men women and children.

Yep, really great 'movement'.
 
JJpool said:
They have people in positions of power like any organisation, the people who run the social media, who organise, handle the money etc.

An isolated incident? You're completely deluded, they've been pushing ridiculous ideas since the get go, was never just about equality. Defund the police.... come on.

I've not said anyone involved is dodgy, only that they keep showing themselves up.

No I haven't, it's only a handful of nutty lefties who can't admit they were wrong here.

As usual you've taken up a position that just doesn't stack up.

www.gbnews.com

Black Lives Matter paid £1.4million to companies owned by co-founder's relatives

The movement paid large sums of money to family members of co-founder Patrisse Cullors, including her brother and the father of her child
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

www.dailymail.co.uk

BLM organiser behind Edward Colston statue protest admits fraud

Xahra Saleem, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of fraud by abuse of position following an investigation by police into a GoFundMe page set up ahead of the protest in Bristol in June 2020.
www.dailymail.co.uk

BLM finances under fire: Only 33% of donations given to charities as execs paid millions

thenationaldesk.com thenationaldesk.com


Black Lives Matter has increased racial tension, 55% say in UK poll | Black Lives Matter movement | The Guardian

Organisers of BLM say findings show movement has exposed pre-existing fault lines
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

www.spiked-online.com

BLM has set anti-racism back decades

BLM promotes a politics of division and victimhood at the expense of social solidarity.
www.spiked-online.com

Their support of critical race theory, the article in the op, a disgusting reference to cold blooded murder of men women and children.

Yep, really great 'movement'.
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BLM Chicago does not represent the views of the everyone in the wider Black Lives Matters movement, the de-centralised nature of the movement means that it is not an organisation or a group with a defined heirachy. It is a massive global movement and as such there will be a wide range of views that fall under the umbrella term BLM, you are choosing to focus on the more extreme elements which I think is unfair on the wider movement. In this case the use of the word 'they' implies they are all the same, which tends to be wrong when discussing millions of people.

It's a nice collection of articles you have there, I am already aware of some of the cases. Of course it is wrong that some people use charitable causes for personal gain, it's wrong in the case of BLM related causes, it's wrong with Captain Tom's family, it's wrong whenever it happens.

I'm off to play football, enjoy your day.
 
Sven said:
BLM Chicago does not represent the views of the everyone in the wider Black Lives Matters movement, the de-centralised nature of the movement means that it is not an organisation or a group with a defined heirachy. It is a massive global movement and as such there will be a wide range of views that fall under the umbrella term BLM, you are choosing to focus on the more extreme elements which I think is unfair on the wider movement. In this case the use of the word 'they' implies they are all the same, which tends to be wrong when discussing millions of people.

It's a nice collection of articles you have there, I am already aware of some of the cases. Of course it is wrong that some people use charitable causes for personal gain, it's wrong in the case of BLM related causes, it's wrong with Captain Tom's family, it's wrong whenever it happens.

I'm off to play football, enjoy your day.
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The initial point was the disgusting tweet under their name and a lot of the general messages from BLM are divisive, 'they' is an easy term to say who I'm on about. Does that mean it's everyone associated with them, of course not, many will genuinely believe in the message and try and, in their mind, do good. But that doesn't stop the reality of the wider organisations dodgy goals and practices.

I'm glad you agree it's wrong.
 
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