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rockontommy said:
Who to listen to? There are a few beacons of light out there. At the mo, I'm enjoying Lord Sumption and the Ivor Cummins podcasts.

Who to take seriously on here? Most posters couch their true opinions through fear of being labelled a granny killer. Too many placate eg. Rule-breakers are "obviously wankers but......". As a general rule, the poster being ganged up on is usually right (seasideone yesterday).

The answer is 'yes' to the rest of your Qs 👍🏻
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So the minority are correct? Seasideone lives in a Country that has controlled the disease very well due it seems to quick action and compliance.
The UK has not due it seems to slow action and a lack of compliance by some.

No one likes restrictions but seriously whats the answer? Let the disease run wild overwhelm the NHS this winter and kill thousands more?

If you do not take precautions and allow the spread of the disease imo yes you may be labelled a wanker.
 
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Lost Seasider said:
Communication from the government has been reasonably good actually, but then the media and various other parties, such as the OP of this thread, mess it up and sow confusion for whatever reason.

This "avoid board games", for example, seems to come from appendix A of a 15 page SPI-M paper, so someone has trawled through the output of a SAGE sub-group, found literally one line at the end of it and then blown it up into headline news, presumably with the intention of sowing further confusion and ridicule.

So who to listen to? I'd suggest check everything against primary sources, understand the agendas at play and draw your own conclusions.
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Ok i understand that media & people may twist things to get a story.
Its ok some people saying simply use 'common sense'
Some people are just not blessed with common sense. The lack of common sense i have seen throughout the pandemic is scary.
That comes from both sides btw personally I would sooner err on the side of caution. Some refuse to take the threat seriously, others are no doubt over anxious and scared.
 
deary said:
So the minority are correct? Seasideone lives in a Country that has controlled the disease very well due it seems to quick action and compliance.
The UK has not due it seems to slow action and a lack of compliance by some.
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deary said:
No one likes restrictions but seriously whats the answer? Let the disease run wild overwhelm the NHS this winter and kill thousands more?
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Don't let it get overrun like every other winter since time immemorial you mean?

This must be the most expensive and repressive way to manage demand in a health service ever devised.
deary said:
If you do not take precautions and allow the spread of the disease imo yes you may be labelled a wanker.
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I have said it before but will again just so it is 100% clear. I despise Rona Boners. Being called a wanker (or worse) is manna from heaven for me as I am diametrically opposed to that particular brand of 'ethics'.
 
rockontommy said:
Opinion Yes OK but likely true if you disagree explain how they have dealt with it

Don't let it get overrun like every other winter since time immemorial you mean? I think a pandemic the size of covid has put a strain on NHS and if it rises will continue to do so. Most sensible people agree, do you not & want to take the chance by letting it spiral of control
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rockontommy said:
This must be the most expensive and repressive way to manage demand in a health service ever devised. Possibly but this isnt just a UK issue if less people have the virus less get sick so thats better.

I have said it before but will again just so it is 100% clear. I despise Rona Boners. Being called a wanker (or worse) is manna from heaven for me as I am diametrically opposed to that particular brand of 'ethics'. Ok what are your ethics on people getting sick and dying from a virus that can be controlled if people behave responsibly. collateral damage? you may despise 'rona boners' Stupid term as I doubt anyone wants it but many folk dont have a lot of time for those who just want to 'crack on' regardless as thousands die. Some may see that attitude as selfish?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion Most experts worldwide say limit the spread of the disease.

Nobody likes restrictions but unfortunately thats where we are.
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
To be honest Andy it's not the SAGE guidance that gets me rather the ridiculousness of a situation that needs them to issue such guidance - it clearly isn't thought safe to meet up with your elderly relatives
A 5 day moratorium to ' save Xmas ' will they say double infection rates and is no doubt behind the tough tiering we and other areas will face and the further restrictions we'll continue to face in January as the impact of the relaxation of the rules hits home
Thousands of businesses will inevitably face ruin and gods knows how many people will die just to accommodate it
The question is why are we doing it ?
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I think personally they should NOT have done the 5 day Xmas cessation on the grounds that it breaks their tactic (regardless of whether we think that tactic is valid or not) and consistency.
But again I stress that they cannot win.....if they had kept the tiers in place over Xmas we would have had Many millions complaining that they couldn’t see their loved ones etc and the same people would later blame the govt for relaxing the rules over Xmas if one of their loved ones died.....

it’s impossible and what makes this and many other things impossible nowadays is that Everyone feels they HAVE to have an opinion (no matter how little relevant information they have) and have to argue their opinion to death instead of just complying with what is asked of them.......what next?.....we start deciding what Laws of the land are valid and invalid and which we choose to obey and which we choose to ignore?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I think personally they should NOT have done the 5 day Xmas cessation on the grounds that it breaks their tactic (regardless of whether we think that tactic is valid or not) and consistency.
But again I stress that they cannot win.....if they had kept the tiers in place over Xmas we would have had Many millions complaining that they couldn’t see their loved ones etc and the same people would later blame the govt for relaxing the rules over Xmas if one of their loved ones died.....

it’s impossible and what makes this and many other things impossible nowadays is that Everyone feels they HAVE to have an opinion (no matter how little relevant information they have) and have to argue their opinion to death instead of just complying with what is asked of them.......what next?.....we start deciding what Laws of the land are valid and invalid and which we choose to obey and which we choose to ignore?
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That's always been my policy 👍
 
Nah, fuck that. I consider myself sufficiently informed to offer opinions on this subject so will take my own cues. Thanks though 👍🏻
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I think personally they should NOT have done the 5 day Xmas cessation on the grounds that it breaks their tactic (regardless of whether we think that tactic is valid or not) and consistency.
But again I stress that they cannot win.....if they had kept the tiers in place over Xmas we would have had Many millions complaining that they couldn’t see their loved ones etc and the same people would later blame the govt for relaxing the rules over Xmas if one of their loved ones died.....

it’s impossible and what makes this and many other things impossible nowadays is that Everyone feels they HAVE to have an opinion (no matter how little relevant information they have) and have to argue their opinion to death instead of just complying with what is asked of them.......what next?.....we start deciding what Laws of the land are valid and invalid and which we choose to obey and which we choose to ignore?
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When your govt repeatedly demonstrates they haven’t got a clue many think it’s appropriate to offer an opinion of their own
I think that’s what democracy was based on
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The question is why are we doing it ?
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My guess is they think it's going to happen anyway so there's likely several reasons:
  • officially sanctioned and with rules in place is better than a free for all with none;
  • better compliance with existing rules in the weeks leading up to x-mas and perhaps after as a quid pro quo;
  • the need to keep the public onboard to ensure general compliance with the rules;
the various protests and the forum's Covid deniers being an example of what might become widespread if Christmas were cancelled.


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This is somewhat covered in the SPI-M paper that started this thread:

"Principles of equality and fairness must be at the heart of providing guidance as guidance is more likely to be adhered to if perceived as fair and just (high confidence)"

There's a longer discussion of it later on in the paper.
 
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TwelveAngryMen said:
When your govt repeatedly demonstrates they haven’t got a clue many think it’s appropriate to offer an opinion of their own
I think that’s what democracy was based on
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But how do you quantify “many”?........many isn’t necessarily the majority. “Many” people vote for the defeated Party in a General Election.....they are “many” but they are not the majority

as I say it’s easy not being in charge and it’s easy giving a distanced critique with no ultimate responsibility.....a good chunk of the Country are doing that

Genuine challenge mate....you put up what your COVID strategy and resultant tactics would be if you were PM and I will critique them....see if you (or anyone else) can win
 
I don’t want or need the five days at Christmas. Can I not have them on credit and have private sessions in the pub with my wife and group of friends throughout January. I’ve never fallen for bribes.
 
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