Bolton have more fans than us tomorrow?

JJpool said:
Yeah, but league position matters.

It's no coincidence the atmosphere was far better for a game where we might actually move up if we win, rather than marooned in 8th. The wins have to matter.

Being at or near the top dramatically increases the feelgood factor.

Bolton won this competition last year so have physically seen the rewards that come with it. A lot of teams fans treat it as a nothing competition.

It'll be a decent enough attendance for this competition. For me it's a good chance to win a cup.
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But isn't part of being a supporter turning up and getting behind the team even when we're not in the position we'd want to be?
 
basilexile said:
Your perception is clearly not shared by all. When we have been bad at home, we have been shocking. Our away form is pants and fans feel we should be doing better. If it's none of the reasons I have highlighted, then we are just a small club, blighted by a catchment area living in poverty.
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So you're going to reference the very small number of home games where we've been out of sorts as a reason for not going?
 
Shiggy said:
But isn't part of being a supporter turning up and getting behind the team even when we're not in the position we'd want to be?
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It is for most but it's pretty standard at all clubs if they are doing well crowds rise if they aren't they fall. There's many factors in attendances, especially in competitions like tonight's. Some prioritise league games out of cash, some won't do weeknights due to distance etc.
 
JJpool said:
It is for most but it's pretty standard at all clubs if they are doing well crowds rise if they aren't they fall. There's many factors in attendances, especially in competitions like tonight's. Some prioritise leave games out of cash, some won't do weeknights due to distance etc.
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I agree with what you're saying to an extent. Obviously people have their reasons for not going.

But I'd suspect that the majority of supporters who decided not to go to either Forest or tonight simply couldn't be arsed, and I don't really understand why that is.
 
Shiggy said:
I agree with what you're saying to an extent. Obviously people have their reasons for not going.

But I'd suspect that the majority of supporters who decided not to go to either Forest or tonight simply couldn't be arsed, and I don't really understand why that is.
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You only have to look at the attendances for this competition for us so far to know many see it as reserve games.

However, against Bolton and closer to Wembley bumps it up a fair bit, as will be shown by tonight's attendance compared to others.

The games in this competition have actually been really useful, building cash and highly enjoyable.
 
Shiggy said:
So you're going to reference the very small number of home games where we've been out of sorts as a reason for not going?
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If fairness we have been less than convincing in some home games even when we have won. Saturday will not have helped. How we played after Charlton scored, was like a frightened mouse. With that in your memory bank it is simply not enticing, unless it really is in your blood.
 
basilexile said:
If fairness we have been less than convincing in some home games even when we have won. Saturday will not have helped. How we played after Charlton scored, was like a frightened mouse. With that in your memory bank it is simply not enticing, unless it really is in your blood.
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Sorry but I think that's nonsense.

Yes we froze after they equalised but overall it was a good performance.

It genuinely sounds like the level required to entice supporters (in your mind) is if we're putting teams to the sword every single week, which just isn't going to happen.

I keep hearing all the time is that what matters most is winning games. That seems to hold when we drop points but even when we win games it's all of a sudden about the performances/number of goals we've scored. Goalposts always seem to be shifting to accommodate people's painfully negative mindset.
 
Shiggy said:
Sorry but I think that's nonsense.

Yes we froze after they equalised but overall it was a good performance.

It genuinely sounds like the level required to entice supporters (in your mind) is if we're putting teams to the sword every single week, which just isn't going to happen.

I keep hearing all the time is that what matters most is winning games. That seems to hold when we drop points but even when we win games it's all of a sudden about the performances/number of goals we've scored. Goalposts always seem to be shifting to accommodate people's painfully negative mindset.
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You are talking like someone (like myself,) who has it in their blood. There are simply not enough of us. Maybe this time round football at this level does not have the same buzz for those that pick their games. The core support has held up well, considering the Chuckle Brothers passing at the back.
 
basilexile said:
Football is an entertainment business once you take the emotion away. If people do not turn up they are giving their opinion of how they feel at the time.
Too much tippy tappy football at the back , doubt over the formation and what appears to be odd team selection. Despite what critics think the audience are always right. They pay their money and take their choice.
I have already got my ticket so no excuse needed, just reality.
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May i ask what is tippy tappy football
 
BFCfan33 said:
May i ask what is tippy tappy football
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When you have defenders that can not pass, who have a training session passing to each other. All the time the opposition reset and any space we had created is gone. Man City play from the back, but their players can pass for fun. In no way am I comparing us to Man City, but we ask players to do things they can not.
 
basilexile said:
When you have defenders that can not pass, who have a training session passing to each other. All the time the opposition reset and any space we had created is gone. Man City play from the back, but their players can pass for fun. In no way am I comparing us to Man City, but we ask players to do things they can not.
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Every player the club has can pass the ball they wouldn't be there if they couldn't, you cant compare a training session to real game football. the main reason they pass across the back is because their options are limited going forward and their are no outlets
 
basilexile said:
When you have defenders that can not pass, who have a training session passing to each other. All the time the opposition reset and any space we had created is gone. Man City play from the back, but their players can pass for fun. In no way am I comparing us to Man City, but we ask players to do things they can not.
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Every team is playing this way unless you've not noticed even Bolton play 3 at the back.

Had this debate with a pool fan the other day, said he disliked modern possession based football but agreed all do it so he's going to have to get used to it.
 
Fair play to Bolton fans who I thought added to an excellent atmosphere. We wouldn't have taken anywhere near that number to Bolton and actually I think the tie would have been played in a pretty soulless atmosphere at their ground. Why BR makes such a good place for those ties even when a third full.
 
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BFCfan33 said:
Every player the club has can pass the ball they wouldn't be there if they couldn't, you cant compare a training session to real game football. the main reason they pass across the back is because their options are limited going forward and their are no outlets
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We will have to disagree, as certain defenders are uncomfortable on the ball and their slowness causes the lack of options.
 
TangerineBayern said:
I'd hate to see Brighton U21s in the final as that will completely devalue this competition even further and if they do make it and it’s against us l won’t be going!
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Think there might be some tom foolery in tonight's game to ensure Brighton don't make it to the next round, dodgy pen or red card incoming....!
 
In the first half, the defence was bordering on embarrassing. It's been the story of our season. A team like Bolton who play a similar formation are built with a strong defence. We have tried to implement a formation and the foundations just aren't there. This is why we will end up nearer mid-table than the play-offs. In my opinion, Critchley has picked a formation before looking at the strengths of the players.
 
basilexile said:
We will have to disagree, as certain defenders are uncomfortable on the ball and their slowness causes the lack of options.
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You said players cant pass which i corrected you on, there is a difference between that and being uncomfortable on the ball.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
In the first half, the defence was bordering on embarrassing. It's been the story of our season. A team like Bolton who play a similar formation are built with a strong defence. We have tried to implement a formation and the foundations just aren't there. This is why we will end up nearer mid-table than the play-offs. In my opinion, Critchley has picked a formation before looking at the strengths of the players.
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Mr negative at it again. Bore off
 
BFCfan33 said:
Please don't think I'm being funny because I'm not i like to have good dialogue and just say things how i see them.
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No problem at all. If some defenders could pass as well and as quickly as Pennington, I just feel there would appear to be more space and options. However, we persist in picking players, who end up slowing things down and putting other players under pressure.
 
basilexile said:
No problem at all. If some defenders could pass as well and as quickly as Pennington, I just feel there would appear to be more space and options. However, we persist in picking players, who end up slowing things down and putting other players under pressure.
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I think we slow things down because our options are limited when we look to go forward, players make runs the pass isn't made which closes that option, we then have to start again and look at other options and outlets, i fully understand why the back three pass across the line.
 
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