Bottom of the league and it's all down to the board

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Briggs5

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They have, over several windows, failed to bring in Championship quality players on permanent contracts. The result is that we're forced to sign crocks and inferior players that no one else wants. These players aren't match fit, so get injured as soon as they have to play 2-3 games in a row.

They couldn't have made worse managerial appointments than Appleton and Mccarthy for the players we have in our squad. I think this will have a knock on effect for our ability to bring in exciting young loan players in the future. What Premier League club is going to trust us with their young prospects if we either don't play them, or we are forced to play them too much, like Patino, because we have no other options due to our poor recruitment? That's before you even consider the style of football, tactics and league we will be in.

They've got loads right off the pitch, but they are to blame for what's happening on the pitch this season, which is ultimately what matters most at a football club.
 
We have moved from a tippy tappy manager who wanted and recruited skilful footballers, in Critcheley, to a kick and run manager. I don't get the thinking TBH. Nothing against MM but i think he is trying to get something out of players that they cannot deliver. If we win at Swansea I will no doubt be singing MM's praises! UTP
 
Cuthbert said:
We have moved from a tippy tappy manager who wanted and recruited skilful footballers, in Critcheley, to a kick and run manager. I don't get the thinking TBH. Nothing against MM but i think he is trying to get something out of players that they cannot deliver. If we win at Swansea I will no doubt be singing MM's praises! UTP
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Of course Critchley got loads of grief for playing tippy tippy football, and was forced into a more pragmatic 442, and got a tune out of these players...
 
Wizaard said:
Of course Critchley got loads of grief for playing tippy tippy football, and was forced into a more pragmatic 442, and got a tune out of these players...
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Critchley's teams always played better against good teams but he (in my opinion) lacked the motivational skills. I am still smarting about Peterborough (if I had remained Sober Ithink I would have not renewed my ST - it was a truly disgraceful performance)
 
Cuthbert said:
Critchley's teams always played better against good teams but he (in my opinion) lacked the motivational skills. I am still smarting about Peterborough (if I had remained Sober Ithink I would have not renewed my ST - it was a truly disgraceful performance)
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A definite flip flops, on the beach already performance.

I think if there had been anything on it, it would have been vastly different.
 
Wizaard said:
A definite flip flops, on the beach already performance.

I think if there had been anything on it, it would have been vastly different.
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Coming above the nobbers was on it. Think that was important to the fans. Clearly not to him though. Perhaps it was his parting gift to us. He disrespected the fans that day. Fans who'd spent their hard earned money to go and witness that.
 
Cuthbert said:
We have moved from a tippy tappy manager who wanted and recruited skilful footballers, in Critcheley, to a kick and run manager. I don't get the thinking TBH. Nothing against MM but i think he is trying to get something out of players that they cannot deliver. If we win at Swansea I will no doubt be singing MM's praises! UTP
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It’s just a totally flawed, if not schizophrenic approach.
 
20togo said:
Coming above the nobbers was on it. Think that was important to the fans. Clearly not to him though. Perhaps it was his parting gift to us. He disrespected the fans that day. Fans who'd spent their hard earned money to go and witness that.
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Yep. I was there and hadn't expected to see youth team players in action.
 
I don't understand how the board can be blamed for any of this . The only mistake the board made was signing Appleton . The budget Appleton was given would not be massive I accept , but we are one of the clubs with the smallest fan base in this league and at least some money was made available .

Simon Sadler has and is investing millions in a club that will most likely never make money . He gave money to Appleton to bring in the players that Appleton wanted for the budget he was given . Loan Prem players need wages paying .He also did make a couple of permanent signings that had to be paid for, even if they weren't ten million each.

The players that were brought in were ALL brought in by Appleton . He did not need to bring in the players he did ,there were other options . We got over run in midfielders and we had a lack of defenders . Yet the board don't pick the players brought in . The board did not know that players were going to get injured .The board had no idea that we were going to be playing with10 men on a regular basis through the number of red cards.


I find it shocking that any pool fan blames the people that have basically saved the club from being a housing estate . Simon Sadler has invested his own money when nobody else was there and literally saved us . He chose a team that made a mistake with Appleton and will make mistakes in the future . Yet to start blaming them for us being a bit shit on the pitch is shocking . Be ashamed those who like the original post.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I don't understand how the board can be blamed for any of this . The only mistake the board made was signing Appleton . The budget Appleton was given would not be massive I accept , but we are one of the clubs with the smallest fan base in this league and at least some money was made available .

Simon Sadler has and is investing millions in a club that will most likely never make money . He gave money to Appleton to bring in the players that Appleton wanted for the budget he was given . Loan Prem players need wages paying .He also did make a couple of permanent signings that had to be paid for, even if they weren't ten million each.

The players that were brought in were ALL brought in by Appleton . He did not need to bring in the players he did ,there were other options . We got over run in midfielders and we had a lack of defenders . Yet the board don't pick the players brought in . The board did not know that players were going to get injured .The board had no idea that we were going to be playing with10 men on a regular basis through the number of red cards.


I find it shocking that any pool fan blames the people that have basically saved the club from being a housing estate . Simon Sadler has invested his own money when nobody else was there and literally saved us . He chose a team that made a mistake with Appleton and will make mistakes in the future . Yet to start blaming them for us being a bit shit on the pitch is shocking . Be ashamed those who like the original post.
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So the board can’t be blamed?

Yet they appointed Appleton on a 4 year deal and didn’t sack him when they should have done weeks earlier.

They also authorised the sale of our best player on dead line day.

Deals for Bishop and Brannigan (twice) both fell through.

So good luck with not blaming the board.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So the board can’t be blamed?

Yet they appointed Appleton on a 4 year deal and didn’t sack him when they should have done weeks earlier.

They also authorised the sale of our best player on dead line day.

Deals for Bishop and Brannigan (twice) both fell through.

So good luck with not blaming the board.
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If you can read , I have admitted that their mistake was Appleton , but they don't decide which players are brought in or what the team is going to be. Also it is only your opinion that Bowler [who wanted to go] was our best player. He might be entertaining going forward ,but it was partially his fault that Trybull got injured trying to make up for him not tracking back and defending properly.

I think you will find Brannigan admitted he did not want to leave Oxford and was just forcing them to give him a pay rise. I have no idea about Bishop ,but I would try and get my facts right before writing them.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
If you can read , I have admitted that their mistake was Appleton , but they don't decide which players are brought in or what the team is going to be. Also it is only your opinion that Bowler [who wanted to go] was our best player. He might be entertaining going forward ,but it was partially his fault that Trybull got injured trying to make up for him not tracking back and defending properly.

I think you will find Brannigan admitted he did not want to leave Oxford and was just forcing them to give him a pay rise. I have no idea about Bishop ,but I would try and get my facts right before writing them.
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Oh I can read and you are clearly not blaming the board when it’s pretty dam obvious why we are in this position right now it’s been a shambles since the start of the season.
Crap manager out of his depth given far too long a contract, our best player sold on deadline day, crocked players brought in Bridcutt ffs, loans who are not being played why?
Maybe if some of these millions Sadler is investing in the club had gone into team strengthening at the start of the season when it was blatantly obvious we were a very weak team we wouldn’t be in this mess right now.
We’ve had 2 transfer windows now to put things right and we’ve failed miserably in both so who’s fault actually is it?
 
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WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
If you can read , I have admitted that their mistake was Appleton , but they don't decide which players are brought in or what the team is going to be. Also it is only your opinion that Bowler [who wanted to go] was our best player. He might be entertaining going forward ,but it was partially his fault that Trybull got injured trying to make up for him not tracking back and defending properly.

I think you will find Brannigan admitted he did not want to leave Oxford and was just forcing them to give him a pay rise. I have no idea about Bishop ,but I would try and get my facts right before writing them.
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Mansford got played like a fiddle by Brannigan and his Agent and appointed Appleton and McCarthy. 😣
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Oh I can read and you are clearly not blaming the board when it’s pretty dam obvious why we are in this position right now it’s been a shambles since the start of the season.
Crap manager out of his depth given far too long a contract, our best player sold on deadline day, crocked players brought in Bridcutt ffs, loans who are not being played why?
Maybe if some of these millions Sadler is investing in the club had gone into team strengthening at the start of the season when it was blatantly obvious we were a very weak team we wouldn’t be in this mess right now.
We’ve had 2 transfer windows now to put things right and we’ve failed miserably in both so who’s fault actually is it?
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Appletons , like I have already said ,you are lucky you have a team to moan about ,because if SS had not stepped in ,it may have been a housing estate . There was no queue forming to buy a club that loses money and when it boils down to it SS makes all the decisions even though his board do the recommendations .

You have shown yourself to be ungrateful why don't you leave it at that or people will think you may be stupid too. By the way I am not calling you stupid . People will judge for themselves on what you write next.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Appletons , like I have already said ,you are lucky you have a team to moan about ,because if SS had not stepped in ,it may have been a housing estate . There was no queue forming to buy a club that loses money and when it boils down to it SS makes all the decisions even though his board do the recommendations .

You have shown yourself to be ungrateful why don't you leave it at that or people will think you may be stupid too. By the way I am not calling you stupid . People will judge for themselves on what you write next.
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Jeez more nonsense. Look, I'e no problem with Sadler at all but it's a fact there were other parties willing to buy the club. Why do you make things up that simply aren't true? That's twice now.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
Mansford got played like a fiddle by Brannigan and his Agent and appointed Appleton and McCarthy. 😣
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Mansford only recommends to SS and McCarthy has not been given a chance yet. So when Appleton brought all these midfielders in and not much in the line of defence ,that was Mansfords fault. When Appleton picked the teams to play ,that was Mansford's fault . When we got a load of sick and injured that was Mansford's fault. When our players were being sent off in half our games that was Mansford's fault .

Admittedly ,Appleton should not have been hired ,but I would imagine it would have been a recommendation from Mansford and Simon Sadler would have the last say . I also remember there was a board that did the interviews and not Mansford on his own .

You are even having a go at McCarthy even though he has not been given a chance to prove himself and knows he will lose his job if he doesn't keep us up .So what's the point of bringing him into it. You seem to have a grudge against Mansford because the only mistake he has made was not knowing the future and being part of a committee that employed the real problem to our position.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Mansford only recommends to SS and McCarthy has not been given a chance yet. So when Appleton brought all these midfielders in and not much in the line of defence ,that was Mansfords fault. When Appleton picked the teams to play ,that was Mansford's fault . When we got a load of sick and injured that was Mansford's fault. When our players were being sent off in half our games that was Mansford's fault .

Admittedly ,Appleton should not have been hired ,but I would imagine it would have been a recommendation from Mansford and Simon Sadler would have the last say . I also remember there was a board that did the interviews and not Mansford on his own .

You are even having a go at McCarthy even though he has not been given a chance to prove himself and knows he will lose his job if he doesn't keep us up .So what's the point of bringing him into it. You seem to have a grudge against Mansford because the only mistake he has made was not knowing the future and being part of a committee that employed the real problem to our position.
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serious questions. Do you know what a Director of Football is and what role they have? Do you know the difference between a coach and a manager?
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Appletons , like I have already said ,you are lucky you have a team to moan about ,because if SS had not stepped in ,it may have been a housing estate . There was no queue forming to buy a club that loses money and when it boils down to it SS makes all the decisions even though his board do the recommendations .

You have shown yourself to be ungrateful why don't you leave it at that or people will think you may be stupid too. By the way I am not calling you stupid . People will judge for themselves on what you write next.
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So you’re saying it was all Appletons fault?

Who appointed him?

Who gave him an eye watering 4 year contract?

Who didn’t sack him earlier when it was blatantly obvious we were heading to the bottom?

Who sold Bowler on deadline day?

Who has had 2 shocking transfer windows?

I might well not be stupid but even I know who’s to blame here.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So you’re saying it was all Appletons fault?

Who appointed him?

Who gave him an eye watering 4 year contract?

Who didn’t sack him earlier when it was blatantly obvious we were heading to the bottom?

Who sold Bowler on deadline day?

Who has had 2 shocking transfer windows?

I might well not be stupid but even I know who’s to blame here.
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I have agreed with you that they made a mistake with Appleton and maybe should have sacked him earlier ,but don't blame the Bowler sale and the poor transfer windows on the board. Bowler wanted the chance to play Prem football and if we hadn't have sold him for the four million he would have gone for a free at the end of the season. So if you think getting £4 million for a player that wanted to leave was the boards fault I am sure they will take the blame for that .

In respect to the poor transfer windows, how is that the boards fault when Appleton got the players in both on loan and bought . Now this is where I was talking about looking like an idiot . There would be no point in having a coach or a manager if the board make the choice on who we were going to buy or get on loan. That would be the managers job .So if you think that's the board what made the choices for crocks and sub standard players then give your head a little shake.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I have agreed with you that they made a mistake with Appleton and maybe should have sacked him earlier ,but don't blame the Bowler sale and the poor transfer windows on the board. Bowler wanted the chance to play Prem football and if we hadn't have sold him for the four million he would have gone for a free at the end of the season. So if you think getting £4 million for a player that wanted to leave was the boards fault I am sure they will take the blame for that .

In respect to the poor transfer windows, how is that the boards fault when Appleton got the players in both on loan and bought . Now this is where I was talking about looking like an idiot . There would be no point in having a coach or a manager if the board make the choice on who we were going to buy or get on loan. That would be the managers job .So if you think that's the board what made the choices for crocks and sub standard players then give your head a little shake.
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Yep as I thought, you don't know what the role of a Director of Football is or the difference between a manager and a [head] coach.
 
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20togo said:
Jeez more nonsense. Look, I'e no problem with Sadler at all but it's a fact there were other parties willing to buy the club. Why do you make things up that simply aren't true? That's twice now.
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That’s interesting to hear that there were other parties willing to take the club off the CAR. Who were they?
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Remind me please. I can’t recall the names. It would be good to have it confirmed as I have genuinely heard Simon Sadler say, in front of witnesses, that there were no other offers in front of the CAR.
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that may well be true and I've never claimed to know names. But that's what was stated on here by people who are/were far more likely to be in the know than I am.
 
Briggs5 said:
They have, over several windows, failed to bring in Championship quality players on permanent contracts. The result is that we're forced to sign crocks and inferior players that no one else wants. These players aren't match fit, so get injured as soon as they have to play 2-3 games in a row.

They couldn't have made worse managerial appointments than Appleton and Mccarthy for the players we have in our squad. I think this will have a knock on effect for our ability to bring in exciting young loan players in the future. What Premier League club is going to trust us with their young prospects if we either don't play them, or we are forced to play them too much, like Patino, because we have no other options due to our poor recruitment? That's before you even consider the style of football, tactics and league we will be in.

They've got loads right off the pitch, but they are to blame for what's happening on the pitch this season, which is ultimately what matters most at a football club.
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That's the spirit.is EastEnders on later
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
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That’s interesting to hear that there were other parties willing to take the club off the CAR. Who were they?
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I believe Henry Teh literally offered to take the club off CAR with the proviso of putting the money in to keep us going for 2 years until a 3rd party working behind the scenes was able to take the club off him. However until recently, after something else that I was told by one of the other members of the interim board, I didn’t know that the bid was just that. I had always believed upto that point that he had made a bid of several million pounds to compete with Simon’s bid…….. so technically you and 20s are both right 👍🏼😀
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I have agreed with you that they made a mistake with Appleton and maybe should have sacked him earlier ,but don't blame the Bowler sale and the poor transfer windows on the board. Bowler wanted the chance to play Prem football and if we hadn't have sold him for the four million he would have gone for a free at the end of the season. So if you think getting £4 million for a player that wanted to leave was the boards fault I am sure they will take the blame for that .

In respect to the poor transfer windows, how is that the boards fault when Appleton got the players in both on loan and bought . Now this is where I was talking about looking like an idiot . There would be no point in having a coach or a manager if the board make the choice on who we were going to buy or get on loan. That would be the managers job .So if you think that's the board what made the choices for crocks and sub standard players then give your head a little shake.
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So Appleton got the players in he wanted?

I’m pretty dam sure he wanted several players in who we didn’t get for one reason or the other.

Mind you the board did let him sign
Bridcutt though and a marvel he’s been.

And as for getting £4m for Bowler dream on he’ll be retired before any add-ons kick in.
 
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Martonmosser said:
I believe Henry Teh literally offered to take the club off CAR with the proviso of putting the money in to keep us going for 2 years until a 3rd party working behind the scenes was able to take the club off him. However until recently, after something else that I was told by one of the other members of the interim board, I didn’t know that the bid was just that. I had always believed upto that point that he had made a bid of several million pounds to compete with Simon’s bid…….. so technically you and 20s are both right 👍🏼😀
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So only one ‘serious bid’ then 😉

Surely 20’s is just repeating duff information..
 
Martonmosser said:
One bid, two bids, does it matter? We ended up with a good owner 👍🏼
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Of course we ended up with a good owner..

It is important though that people understand that there was only one serious bidder for the club (especially those who want to continually slate the owner).
 
20togo said:
surely you're just being a contrary Mary? Rhetorical question. And point is I was right and you were talking out of your arse. 🤡
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I’m just laughing out loud at you talking shyte again.

You really are the gift that keeps on giving .. 😂
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So Appleton got the players in he wanted?

I’m pretty dam sure he wanted several players in who we didn’t get for one reason or the other.

Mind you the board did let him sign
Bridcutt though and a marvel he’s been.

And as for getting £4m for Bowler dream on he’ll be retired before any add-ons kick in.
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The Bowler deal was £6M including add ons…

£2M upfront, £2M on the drip and a further £2M in Add Ons
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The Bowler deal was £6M including add ons…

£2M upfront, £2M on the drip and a further £2M in Add Ons
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Bifster the 🤡 who suddenly believes he's got the inside information on all the deals.

The contrary mary who' loves and admits to it to take the opposite view.against the majority.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Mansford only recommends to SS and McCarthy has not been given a chance yet. So when Appleton brought all these midfielders in and not much in the line of defence ,that was Mansfords fault. When Appleton picked the teams to play ,that was Mansford's fault . When we got a load of sick and injured that was Mansford's fault. When our players were being sent off in half our games that was Mansford's fault .

Admittedly ,Appleton should not have been hired ,but I would imagine it would have been a recommendation from Mansford and Simon Sadler would have the last say . I also remember there was a board that did the interviews and not Mansford on his own .

You are even having a go at McCarthy even though he has not been given a chance to prove himself and knows he will lose his job if he doesn't keep us up .So what's the point of bringing him into it. You seem to have a grudge against Mansford because the only mistake he has made was not knowing the future and being part of a committee that employed the real problem to our position.
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As a former Agent BM should not have been so niaive in the dealings with Brannagan.

Appleton's appointment was always doomed to failure.

From what I have seen in the last few games, MM's selections and formations are not going to get us the victories we need; hope I'm wrong.
 
So clubs discuss all their finances with the media then. Ok got ya. Not sure where it says in that article it's 2 mil up front and 2 mil in drips though. But hey, you think you know best. And you can give me all the emojis you want but you know as well as I do that I'll always get you to bite sooner or later. 😉

Right that's me out for the evening.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The Bowler deal was £6M including add ons…

£2M upfront, £2M on the drip and a further £2M in Add Ons
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Bowler was sold for £4m plus add ons which won’t be anywhere near £2m we’ll be very lucky to see anything based on Forest appearances so we’ll end up with £4m.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So it’s £4m like I said because we’ll never get the other £2m him not getting the games at Forest.
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Please, don’t go all @20togo on me… There’s enough with one Slippery Nipple on here. 😂

It’s blatantly obvious that you were telling Wizard to dream on about the £4million fee he mentioned… It was an honest mistake on your part, there’s no shame in making a mistake 👍


Jaffa_The_Hut said:
And as for getting £4m for Bowler dream on he’ll be retired before any add-ons kick in.
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