Boxing tonight

Typical game plan from usyk take him to the distance joshua was like bambi on ice from the 8th he through 2 body shots in the fight
Fury will destroy the pair of them with ease atleast joshua has no money worries for the rest of his life fcking showboater
 
phill said:
Will this finally shut the deluded fans of the racist AJ up
Always said he was pony and fed roadsweepers to make him look good .Every time he has fought anyone average or not past it he has struggled .Nice few quid from the bookies AJ had a punchers chance that was it
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a modern day Frank Bruno.......
 
JJpool said:

"Joshua was too negative, he seemed gun shy'​

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Dillian Whyte
Former British heavyweight champion on BBC Radio 5 Live
I said if Joshua tried to box he was always going to lose. If he had to come out and bully him and push the pace and let his hands go he could have knocked him out in the first even round.
But he came out and was being too negative he seemed like a gun shy fighter. You are the bigger man, have a go.
I don't know, he lacked ambition in the ring there tonight.
The first round, Usyk landed the first strong blow and Joshua was a negative fighter. He got tagged with a left and he was worried the whole time."


Dillian saying what ive said even though I'd didn't watch it.

That's the way AJ has gone sadly.

Hes not being the best version of himself thats for sure.
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I agree 100%. His celebrity seems to have gotten ahead of the earlier version of AJ.

With all that said Fury would wipe the floor with both of them. He's a unique and once in a lifetime fighter. He'd outbox AJ at a canter and Usyk really wouldn't be taking any liberties with a man as tall. As skilful and world class as Usyk is - and he really is a special talent - Fury wouldn't let him anywhere near and would just push him back and jab him into submission.
 
Macseasider said:
I agree 100%. His celebrity seems to have gotten ahead of the earlier version of AJ.

With all that said Fury would wipe the floor with both of them. He's a unique and once in a lifetime fighter. He'd outbox AJ at a canter and Usyk really wouldn't be taking any liberties with a man as tall. As skilful and world class as Usyk is - and he really is a special talent - Fury wouldn't let him anywhere near and would just push him back and jab him into submission.
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I still think fury is weak in areas and can be caught, maybe the aj thats about now won't catch him but a good positive aj might, still wanna see it. The furys have no chin 😬

Tall fighters are sometimes easier than shorter ones.

But he's really gone downhill in his last fights AJ.

I think maybe he'd rather not get punched a lot so has taken a boxers approach, maybe smart with all the cash as no need to end up brain dead, but he's not the positive fighter he once was.

Either that or bad advice from the trainer.

Actually this may be the best thing for the fury fight, as maybe AJ will change back to being aggressive and we'll at least get the fight we wanna see and not some tippy tappy jab fest which he won't win.
 
Looking at AJ after the fight, I think that's possibly the last we will see of him in a ring. He looked like he didn't care - it might have been beggar he was still knackered, but it felt like the end.

On the plus side, he's made a fortune, is still incredibly marketable for all sorts of stuff, and held the belts.

The biggest losers tonight are Matchroom and DAZN which is quite funny really. Largest grossing fight in history just went down the toilet.
 
Hazi said:
Needs to change trainer before the re match
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I agree with that. With 2 rounds to to go and well behind on points he tells him to stand back and wait for aUsyk to come to him. To have any chance of catching him and win he needed to go forward, press him into a corner or the ropes and hit him with combinations. He sleep walked through that fight. He was more interesting in rapping and dancing before, rather than looking focussed on the fight. His opponent looked focused, hungrier, a better boxer and puncher, quicker and a clear game plan. Thoroughly deserved win and disappointing AJ didn't put him under pressure
 
bfcpete said:
I agree with that. With 2 rounds to to go and well behind on points he tells him to stand back and wait for aUsyk to come to him. To have any chance of catching him and win he needed to go forward, press him into a corner or the ropes and hit him with combinations. He sleep walked through that fight. He was more interesting in rapping and dancing before, rather than looking focussed on the fight. His opponent looked focused, hungrier, a better boxer and puncher, quicker and a clear game plan. Thoroughly deserved win and disappointing AJ didn't put him under pressure
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Yep he's got to go, awful advice and tactics, but AJ is too 'loyal' 🙄

Hes in charge of a vicious fighter and has him playing tickle jabs a lot. What a waste.
 
Let’s not take anything away from Usyk, he was superb. AJ is that poor defensively he knew he just needed to tag him a couple of times and then He would turn into Bambi on Ice.

AJ’s tactics were appalling and some of the blame has to go to his trainers. You can’t outbox someone as good as Usyk - but he was being told constantly in the corner to keep the jab out and keep him at range…. Nah fuck that, you’re 2 stone heavier, you’re getting outboxed, you have knockout power… walk the fucker down!

That said, over the moon for Usyk, proper fairytale story, fantastic boxer and seems a really nice fella. Well done, sir.
 
JJpool said:
I still think fury is weak in areas and can be caught, maybe the aj thats about now won't catch him but a good positive aj might, still wanna see it. The furys have no chin 😬

Tall fighters are sometimes easier than shorter ones.
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Only the biggest hitter in the last 30 years has given Tyson a problem. It was his chin. And he got back up. Nowt wrong with Tyson's chin. Probably the only chin in the world that could survive the bronze bomber - oh and then go on to absolutely demolish him. Tyson is undefeated and goes anywhere to fight anyone. Hardly a tall fighter "easier" for anyone to beat.
 
pooljimbo said:
Let’s not take anything away from Usyk, he was superb. AJ is that poor defensively he knew he just needed to tag him a couple of times and then He would turn into Bambi on Ice.

AJ’s tactics were appalling and some of the blame has to go to his trainers. You can’t outbox someone as good as Usyk - but he was being told constantly in the corner to keep the jab out and keep him at range…. Nah fuck that, you’re 2 stone heavier, you’re getting outboxed, you have knockout power… walk the fucker down!

That said, over the moon for Usyk, proper fairytale story, fantastic boxer and seems a really nice fella. Well done, sir.
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Don't agree about bambi on ice, usualy he's taken a good shot, took dillans left hook and stayed up, most were kod from it. But can take a while to recover.

But agree about the tactics from prior fights even, far too negative and seems to have done that tonight and getting awful advice.
 
TSSeasider said:
The biggest losers tonight are Matchroom and DAZN which is quite funny really. Largest grossing fight in history just went down the toilet.
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Yep. The lairy cockney mouthpiece will drop AJ like a stone and be onto the next future cash cow in a heartbeat - unless Fury wants to take AJ apart for 50 million at Wembley. Then he'll be all over it.
 
Macseasider said:
Only the biggest hitter in the last 30 years has given Tyson a problem. It was his chin. And he got back up. Nowt wrong with Tyson's chin. Probably the only chin in the world that could survive the bronze bomber - oh and then go on to absolutely demolish him. Tyson is undefeated and goes anywhere to fight anyone. Hardly a tall fighter "easier" for anyone to beat.
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He was lucky to get back up, most fights would have been waved off but yes somehow despite being out cold, he got back up and was fine.

Not sure that being put out cold means you have a good chin though, floored by cunningham too.

A top chin is someone like canelo and GGG, never bothered never down.

Aj I think has been better against taller fighters rather than smaller quicker fighters.

Still be a good fight if he's actually aggressive with Fury.
 
JJpool said:
Don't agree about bambi on ice, usualy he's taken a good shot, took dillans left hook and stayed up, most were kod from it. But can take a while to recover.

But agree about the tactics from prior fights even, far too negative and seems to have done that tonight and getting awful advice.
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Nah, I’m sorry, he’s poor defensively. I’m not really talking about his chin and how he can take a shot - mind you that’s not great either, Usyk rocked him a couple of times tonight - more that when an opponent throws a two, three punch combo his arms go all over the show and he desperately tries to cling on. I box a little myself, and cos I’m pretty shit, that’s how I defend when someone throws more than one punch in my direction. I expect better from a guy who was unified heavyweight champion of the world, with the best training money can buy.
 
pooljimbo said:
Nah, I’m sorry, he’s poor defensively. I’m not really talking about his chin and how he can take a shot - mind you that’s not great either, Usyk rocked him a couple of times tonight - more that when an opponent throws a two, three punch combo his arms go all over the show and he desperately tries to cling on. I box a little myself, and cos I’m pretty shit, that’s how I defend when someone throws more than one punch in my direction. I expect better from a guy who was unified heavyweight champion of the world, with the best training money can buy.
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Well he is currently, he used to catch and counter, hands up and march people down.

He needs to get back to that if he has any chance for me.
 
JJpool said:
He was lucky to get back up, most fights would have been waved off but yes somehow despite being out cold, he got back up and was fine.

Not sure that being put out cold means you have a good chin though, floored by cunningham too.

A top chin is someone like canelo and GGG, never bothered never down.

Aj I think has been better against taller fighters rather than smaller quicker fighters.

Still be a good fight if he's actually aggressive with Fury.
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Canelo and GGG aren't heavyweights. And certainly not superheavyweights.

Like the discussion though JJ. Still some great fights to come. Really happy for Usyk. He's a very special fighter. Tonight has really put everything into the mixer.
 
JJpool said:
Well he is currently, he used to catch and counter, hands up and march people down.

He needs to get back to that if he has any chance for me.
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Totally agree, and as I said in my original post the tactics were all wrong. Not sure why anyone who knew anything about boxing would think it would be a good idea to box Usyk from range when the only asset you have against him is your power.
 
Macseasider said:
Canelo and GGG aren't heavyweights. And certainly not superheavyweights.

Like the discussion though JJ. Still some great fights to come. Really happy for Usyk. He's a very special fighter. Tonight has really put everything into the mixer.
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But they have been hit with some massive shots and not been troubled, chins of steel, I think even heavyweight punches wouldn't be guaranteed to ko them and I think they have sparred with them and never reportedly been in any trouble.

Yeah it's interesting, as I say its actually good as now aj has to change if has any chance of a comeback. If he does be more aggressive he can still be dangerous.

Its also good as given the way he's gone if he had been in there with fury, Mckrapen would be telling him to box and jab 🤦

If he has any chance and where wilder and fury are weaker it's on the inside, aj is brutal inside with the uppercuts etc, wilder needs range to set up his wild windmills and fury likes to box often at range, on the inside they aren't known for their power.

That's the way aj has to go for me.
 
pooljimbo said:
Totally agree, and as I said in my original post the tactics were all wrong. Not sure why anyone who knew anything about boxing would think it would be a good idea to box Usyk from range when the only asset you have against him is your power.
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I agree with both of you. AJ should have leapt all over him. pushed him into the corner, smothered him and unleashed hell. He's been told he's a better boxer than he ever will be. Shame. I'm not sure AJ - as nice a guy as he seems could ever go back to that violent, fearless and destructive fighter he was. And given the opponents he's beaten you have to question if he was ever as good as the bullshit Hearn has promoted him as. I think deep down we knew he wasn't but we all wanted him to be the next big thing.
 
JJpool said:
But they have been hit with some massive shots and not been troubled, chins of steel, I think even heavyweight punches wouldn't be guaranteed to ko them and I think they have sparred with them and never reportedly been in any trouble.

Yeah it's interesting, as I say its actually good as now aj has to change if has any chance of a comeback. If he does be more aggressive he can still be dangerous.

Its also good as given the way he's gone if he had been in there with fury, Mckrapen would be telling him to box and jab 🤦

If he has any chance and where wilder and fury are weaker it's on the inside, aj is brutal inside with the uppercuts etc, wilder needs range to set up his wild windmills and fury likes to box often at range, on the inside they aren't known for their power.

That's the way aj has to go for me.
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I’m not convinced he’s good on the inside either. He’s not great at manoeuvring and feinting for the shots. Ok, his uppercuts are good but that’s usually at mid range, not inside.
 
JJpool said:
The AJ that beat dillian under Tony Simms i think was marching forward with venom, hurtful shots, hands up catch and counter , thats what we want to see.

Smart snappy counters etc.
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I disagree.

I'm not saying Joshua didn't deserve to win that fight but Dillian Whyte went into that fight in far from good shape and there was a moment when I thought he was moving in to finish Joshua off.

Yes, Joshua recovered well and went on to be the deserved winner but I'm not sure that it was a performance to rave about.

To be honest, I've never been a Joshua man but I imagine he'll get over that before he's finished counting his dough.
 
Macseasider said:
I agree with both of you. AJ should have leapt all over him. pushed him into the corner, smothered him and unleashed hell. He's been told he's a better boxer than he ever will be. Shame. I'm not sure AJ - as nice a guy as he seems could ever go back to that violent, fearless and destructive fighter he was. And given the opponents he's beaten you have to question if he was ever as good as the bullshit Hearn has promoted him as. I think deep down we knew he wasn't but we all wanted him to be the next big thing.
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I disagree, Mac. I think he earnt the acclaim fair and square as the next best thing… it’s just that fast Eddie and everything he brings with it ruined it.
 
pooljimbo said:
I’m not convinced he’s good on the inside either. He’s not great at manoeuvring and feinting for the shots. Ok, his uppercuts are good but that’s usually at mid range, not inside.
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The one for eg against Vlad he was pretty close to him, either way. Aj vs fury, if its an aj that closes the ring off at some point fury is in the corner.

Thats when aj has to unload a barrage of shots and be clever too and counter. He's not going out box him.

Hes miles off that sort of style though so well just have to see how he comes back.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I disagree.

I'm not saying Joshua didn't deserve to win that fight but Dillian Whyte went into that fight in far from good shape and there was a moment when I thought he was moving in to finish Joshua off.

Yes, Joshua recovered well and went on to be the deserved winner but I'm not sure that it was a performance to rave about.

To be honest, I've never been a Joshua man but I imagine he'll get over that before he's finished counting his dough.
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It was very early on and he was raw.

It was the sort of attitude and aggressiveness needed.

Yes he grown since and needed to be smarter but also had to retain that threat of his earlier career.

He seems to gone very very cautious and safe.

Fury doesn't have that killer left hook Dillian had, so to beat him he'd have to be aggressive and push him back and just try and catch him, get him in the corners as much as possible, rough him up. Take 1 to give 1.

Maybe he's realised he can't take one as much as he thought so he doesn't do that now or maybe he's badly advised. 🤷
 
JJpool said:
It was very early on and he was raw.

It was the sort of attitude and aggressiveness needed.

Yes he grown since and needed to be smarter but also had to retain that threat of his earlier career.

He seems to gone very very cautious and safe.

Fury doesn't have that killer left hook Dillian had, so to beat him he'd have to be aggressive and push him back and just try and catch him, get him in the corners as much as possible, rough him up. Take 1 to give 1.

Maybe he's realised he can't take one as much as he thought so he doesn't do that now or maybe he's badly advised. 🤷
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Fair points JJ, I'm just not having that his win over Whyte was a great performance.

I make his career best performance, his win over Klitschko, Klitschko was 41 at the time and 18 months out of the ring.

Maybe I'm being overly harsh ?

I've never been a Joshua man.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Fair points JJ, I'm just not having that his win over Whyte was a great performance.

I make his career best performance, his win over Klitschko, Klitschko was 41 at the time and 18 months out of the ring.

Maybe I'm being overly harsh ?

I've never been a Joshua man.
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Yeah hes had better performances as an all round win i think, but I just remembered that one in contrast to his current safe style, that was the opposite.

Blood and thunder.

Now it seems he's a tickle and dance.
 
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Have to admit I am bit shocked by AJs performance. Still can't believe he never followed up on any of his punches instead he stepped back. He used the same tactics as against Ruiz and tried to jab his head off which was never going to happened against a boxer with such good movement. I thought he'd have just used his strength and ploughed straight through him. The rematch is pretty pointless IMO and undeserved after such a comprehensive beating. Only the ropes stopped AJ being knocked out towards the end. Time to step aside and let Whyte have a crack.
 
All those muscles and fabulous physique counts for nothing if you can’t box. Poor from AJ.
 
It was obvious again that Joshua doesn't like it when he doesn't get his own way and begins to look devoid of ideas very quickly.

Showed it the second Ruiz landed his first big one and again last night.

Legacy will be beating a 41 year old champ, but even then he could easily have lost that.

Both Fury and Wilder would do a job on him
 
Joshua should have given up the WBO belt, played it safe for the Fury clash. Usyk technically was always the better boxer, ducked and weaved, had Joshua bemused after the third. Joshua will be knocked out in the rematch…..
 
I've never been a fan of Joshua, seems an OK bloke but over hyped in a poor era of talent. On the flipside the criticism this morning is too far the otherway. He'll be back and I wouldn't write him off against usyk, the size difference alone will always be a factor if he gets the tactics right. He'll need to get at usyk rather than box him, since the Ruiz affair he's been trying to box rather than fight. I can't say I'm bothered if the Fury fight doesn't happen, they don't deserve to have the biggest grossing fight in history neither are that great.
 
FY4MIKEH said:
Chisora put up a much better performance against Usyk
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Yep, this. It was awful.

Why has he suddenly decided he wants to be a boxers boxer? He isn't. He's a knockout artist so go back to your roots. Get heavy and knock people out.

Only Fury could out box Usyk. Derek nearly knocked Usyk out and Joshua should have tried.

His corner were a ** shambles in round 7/8/9 and should have told him straight what he needed to do. He was down 3-4 rounds by then. Awful from them and he should have words.
 
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