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Unfortunately I think NC will be given the summer to recruit and the start of next season to show an improvement. If we’re not in and about the mix at the top by November(ish) I can see Simon Sadler getting twitchy and looking for the eject button
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Maybe you get the club you deserve then.
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Lytham we got the club we deserved in the 80’s with 1500 home crowds, remember those great days?
The fact is that we need the non hardcore floating fans as does most clubs that aren’t elite!
Alienating them with crap managers and terrible football is madness and only one man can address that
 
Leighton-Buzzard-Pool said:
Lytham we got the club we deserved in the 80’s with 1500 home crowds, remember those great days?
The fact is that we need the non hardcore floating fans as does most clubs that aren’t elite!
Alienating them with crap managers and terrible football is madness and only one man can address that
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Of course we need the floating fans but season ticket holders threatening not to renew because they don't like the manager or formation is just bollocks.

We're 8th in the third division with more than an outside chance of the Playoffs, not applying for re-election like were in the 80s.

It's just needy look at me rubbish.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Of course we need the floating fans but season ticket holders threatening not to renew because they don't like the manager or formation is just bollocks.

We're 8th in the third division with more than an outside chance of the Playoffs, not applying for re-election like were in the 80s.

It's just needy look at me rubbish.
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It’s not needy look at me rubbish at all. We have a hardcore of 3-4000 and probably another 3-4000 who can quite easily walk away. The worry is when some of us hardcore seriously consider walking away from a guaranteed season ticket sale……. and I know for a fact I’m not alone because the football served up is so boring week after week 👎
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Of course we need the floating fans but season ticket holders threatening not to renew because they don't like the manager or formation is just bollocks.

We're 8th in the third division with more than an outside chance of the Playoffs, not applying for re-election like were in the 80s.

It's just needy look at me rubbish.
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It’s not needy look at me rubbish at all. We have a hardcore of 3-4000 and probably another 3-4000 who can quite easily walk away. The worry is when some of us hardcore seriously consider walking away from a guaranteed season ticket sale……. and I know for a fact I’m not alone because the football served up is so boring week after week
 
Martonmosser said:
It’s not needy look at me rubbish at all. We have a hardcore of 3-4000 and probably another 3-4000 who can quite easily walk away. The worry is when some of us hardcore seriously consider walking away from a guaranteed season ticket sale……. and I know for a fact I’m not alone because the football served up is so boring week after week
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You won't walk away though, you'll buy one, you know you will, I know you will, we all know you will, because you support Blackpool FC, not whoever the manager is.
 
paulco said:
On the contrary.

Buy season tickets for a two-flops coach?

Repent at leisure with just desserts.
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If I ever set up a business selling over sweet supermarket desserts in a pot I will call them 'just desserts' and the advertising campaign will be a fella in a devil costume eating one reclining on a chaise longue in hell and turning to the camera and saying 'repent at leisure... with just desserts'
 
It's a bit bobbins this year. The main thing that worries me is not the lack of immediate success - it's that I can't really see the foundations for longer term success being laid. We've not brought on Apter, Lyons, Carey or anyone else like that particularly. Kouassi doesn't look there regularly and Casey has done 'ok to quite well' We're a core of 'middle aged' stodgy players and if we'd been say 11th but with some hit and miss young players who you could see gelling and really improving.

That's the problem - it's like we've not hit 'refresh' and delayed the inevitable rebuild - the whole point for me of getting Critchley back was he had to deliver now. This is his squad. It's not like Larry or Appleton - there's no 'they didn't get the chance to get their players in' get out. He's signed them all bar Lyons.
 
Did people cancel in 96 when we threw it away with big budget and terrible football? Or the middling crap under Megson the year after, how about the calamity of Worthington? Watching a Hendry team was like throwing a football to eleven strangers with no interest in football.

It's been so much worse than this many times, before this year I've never once experienced us as a fan base thinking we have a divine right to be promoted, what's got in to us? Are we Sunderland or Wednesday now? We used to mock this kind of behaviour, it's spread insidiously over this past year, it's weird and it's not the club I know.

Maybe it's a hangover from the Oystons, I don't know, one thing I do know us we're currently miles away from being the best fans.
 
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Razzledazzle53 said:
If I was looking in as a supporter of another club I'd think Critch has us in 8th place and took us to a 4th round replay of the fa cup, as well as the SF of the BSM. I'd think we are a basketcase of a club if he was sacked unless we went on a terrible run of results til the end of the season.
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If they’d seen any of the football we’ve been playing they’d congratulate themselves on supporting another team.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Or realise we're not the biggest club around and that withdrawing support does nothing but accelerate that mediocrity.
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I have watched us play for over 50 years in all four divisions both home and away and do not subscribe to any divine right to promotion. What I personally feel is that the current administration are not utilising the resources they have to the full. They have alienated a loyal and faithful fanbase by not engaging with them and making successive decisions that have proven to be catastrophic. I want to be entertained and to enjoy the match day experience. On several occasions this season, both home and away, I have left at half time. I am not some automaton who just stands there in a daze zombie fashion week in week out. I will still be here long after this current owner, manager and players have left but reserve the right to say the current experience is dull as fuck and if it doesn't change will not renew my season ticket.
 
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Bob Hatton said:
I have watched us play for over 50 years in all four divisions both home and away and do not subscribe to any divine right to promotion. What I personally feel is that the current administration are not utilising the resources they have to the full. They have alienated a loyal and faithful fanbase by not engaging with them and making successive decisions that have proven to be catastrophic. I want to be entertained and to enjoy the match day experience. On several occasions this season, both home and away, I have left at half time. I am not some autonomon who just stands there in a daze zombie fashion week in week out. I will still be here long after this current owner, manager and players have left but reserve the right to say the current experience is dull as fuck and if it doesn't change will not renew my season ticket.
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So you won't be there. Your prerogative, but it doesn't make you a martyr.
 
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Bob Hatton said:
I have watched us play for over 50 years in all four divisions both home and away and do not subscribe to any divine right to promotion. What I personally feel is that the current administration are not utilising the resources they have to the full. They have alienated a loyal and faithful fanbase by not engaging with them and making successive decisions that have proven to be catastrophic. I want to be entertained and to enjoy the match day experience. On several occasions this season, both home and away, I have left at half time. I am not some autonomon who just stands there in a daze zombie fashion week in week out. I will still be here long after this current owner, manager and players have left but reserve the right to say the current experience is dull as fuck and if it doesn't change will not renew my season ticket.
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People keep mentioning the resources with bugger all evidence to back it up, can you explain what you mean because I've seen nowt on paper?

How often over those 50 years have you been entertained? I presume you weren't when Ellis first took over?

I'm not knocking your decision, well I am a bit, but only because it makes no sense at all to me, it's up to you really.
 
I think Critchley will definitely get all this season, my concern is the summer and next season. The squad needs major surgery, something like 10 out and similar in. I'm not convinced that Critchley is the man to oversee this.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Did people cancel in 96 when we threw it away with big budget and terrible football? Or the middling crap under Megson the year after, how about the calamity of Worthington? Watching a Hendry team was like throwing a football to eleven strangers with no interest in football.

It's been so much worse than this many times, before this year I've never once experienced us as a fan base thinking we have a divine right to be promoted, what's got in to us? Are we Sunderland or Wednesday now? We used to mock this kind of behaviour, it's spread insidiously over this past year, it's weird and it's not the club I know.

Maybe it's a hangover from the Oystons, I don't know, one thing I do know us we're currently miles away from being the best fans.
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Masochistic fans who cite worse past football to defend the coach and owner.

These deranged loyalists recall:


Critch stays?

At last season ticket boycotts for a replacement with recent success.
 
one of the best seasons in a long time at home in terms of results, good fa cup run by our standards and last 4 of BSM, so think NC is safe for remainder of this season and next.
 
paulco said:
Masochistic fans who cite worse past football to defend the coach and owner.

These deranged loyalists recall:


Critch stays?

At last season ticket boycotts for a replacement with recent success.
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You write like a prototype AI program. You've garnered some facts from a Google search but you're struggling to get them down in anything approaching English.
 
I've been supporting the club for 54 years and have lived through far worse times than this, far, far worse but we can't live in the past we are where we are now and the future is what we have so I really don't see how trying to compare then and now, it's bollocks, I mean you could pull the Ollie years out and say how great it was as opposed to how it is now, it's just a poor argument.

I'm not going to be all gooey eyed about a multi millionaire hedge fund entrepreneur who is a supporter of the club buying our club for a bargain price and having to invest his own money into it, he ** knew what he was doing and if he didn't then he's the dumbest fucker out there, and he isn't. So because he has bought the club and spent some money and improved things from the noxious state the Stains left it in means we have to anoint his feet in precious oils and throw rose petals in front of him and not be allowed to have an opinion because we should be thankful for that! WTF is wrong with some of you? I want the best for this club, I want the club to be at one with the supporters, going forward together with a manager and squad that is frankly, better than what we have now. Critchley is never going to be anything other than a lower league journeyman manager in the lower leagues or a youth coach at a bigger club. Sadler isn't perfect we have all seen the good he has done but could he do better? Of course he can, I will not sit on my hands and not have a say because a load of old buffers think we should be grateful!! There is nothing wrong with wanting better, why be content with mediocrity and boring football?

That said, if I still lived in the Fylde I would have a season ticket because it's my club, I love it and it wouldn't stop me whatever league we were in. Sadly not everyone is like that and if we end the season in mid table mediocrity with Critchley still in charge and Connolly having his contract renewed then I can understand why some will walk away even if I wouldn't.

We fought the worst owners in football history and won, I'm fucked if I'm going to accept bog average now when we should still be on cloud 9. I want Sadler to succeed, I want it more than anything. but things need to change and until they do those of you who think everything's fine, and I include people with who I am friends with, can do one because I don't agree with them, it doesn't make me some 2 headed pariah though!
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
One of them is currently in prison for fraud. Thank god we got Sadler.
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I wasn't talking about him buying the club, why are people trying to put words in my mouth, it's what he's doing now he's got it, he has done some really good stuff, he's been okay with other stuff and pants with the rest of it. We haven't got other owners, we have Sadler and we have to hope he can really get things going better than they are now.
 
gjr said:
I think Critchley will definitely get all this season, my concern is the summer and next season. The squad needs major surgery, something like 10 out and similar in. I'm not convinced that Critchley is the man to oversee this.
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He’s going to get the summer I reckon too and then see how the season goes.

On renewing deals & signings, I’m concerned he’s got the balls to do it if he thought CJ deserved another 2.5 years? Coulson? Will he find a place for Apter and trust our youth policy… I reckon Lyons will be going & that’ll be a level up 💯
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
People keep mentioning the resources with bugger all evidence to back it up, can you explain what you mean because I've seen nowt on paper?

How often over those 50 years have you been entertained? I presume you weren't when Ellis first took over?

I'm not knocking your decision, well I am a bit, but only because it makes no sense at all to me, it's up to you really.
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Just really disappointed that after all we went through with the boycott I had hoped for more.
 
Adams Kebab said:
He’s going to get the summer I reckon too and then see how the season goes.

On renewing deals & signings, I’m concerned he’s got the balls to do it if he thought CJ deserved another 2.5 years? Coulson? Will he find a place for Apter and trust our youth policy…
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Not sure what his idea of good characters is. Obviously we want players that look after themselves off the pitch, work hard and basically act in a professional manner but will any of them have strong opinions, a spiky personality, be demanding of others?
I have a feeling Critchley struggles with people like that but I think a successful team needs some of those characters in the squad.
 
gjr said:
Not sure what his idea of good characters is. Obviously we want players that look after themselves off the pitch, work hard and basically act in a professional manner but will any of them have strong opinions, a spiky personality, be demanding of others?
I have a feeling Critchley struggles with people like that but I think a successful team needs some of those characters in the squad.
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You’ve just described Rob Apter. So could answer your question.

CJ won’t ever moan at NC.
RA will 💯
 
Compared to a lot of stuff I have watched over the years am I alone in thinking it's actually okay most of the time? We score plenty of goals and it's actually exciting at times. Some games are shit but that is football, it has always been like that. The quality of the players is better these days and the game is a lot faster.
We lack consistency that's all. Critchley is doing okay but there have been some poor performances at times. However he has at least til Xmas if not beyond. If you are a fan of the club you should get behind the team and manager. We still have a chance of making the playoffs FFS yet some are talking about boycotts and throwing the towel in. Support your team, that's what it is about. Some on here should support Man City, but they still would find something to moan about.
 
I’ve been to some games where it felt like I’d been watching BFC for 90 years but turned out it was a little over 90mins🤣
 
Adams Kebab said:
You’ve just described Rob Apter. So could answer your question.

CJ won’t ever moan at NC.
RA will 💯
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Worrying, if he surrounds himself with yes men and players that are grateful to him for another contract then we will see more and more performances like last night and Cheltenham.
If he's not strong enough to deal with strong characters then we will get a team with no personality or fight.
Might explain why we nearly always lose when we concede first!
 
What I can't stand is the lynch mob mentality that comes to the fore every time we lose a game. Do you think Critchley doesn't want to win as much as the fans? Pathetic mocking of verbal tics, faceless cowardly name calling online, criticism of every decision without being in possession of the facts, idle speculation presented as fact. This shit drags the club down and makes success less likely. You are doing the opposite of what a supporter should.
 
Hopefully Sadler has put a break clause
in Critchleys contract about the level of compensation he pays him if we finish 8th or below and he sacks him.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Compared to a lot of stuff I have watched over the years am I alone in thinking it's actually okay most of the time? We score plenty of goals and it's actually exciting at times. Some games are shit but that is football, it has always been like that. The quality of the players is better these days and the game is a lot faster.
We lack consistency that's all. Critchley is doing okay but there have been some poor performances at times. However he has at least til Xmas if not beyond. If you are a fan of the club you should get behind the team and manager. We still have a chance of making the playoffs FFS yet some are talking about boycotts and throwing the towel in. Support your team, that's what it is about. Some on here should support Man City, but they still would find something to moan about.
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There's a pernicious narrative that the football is boring all the time. It isn't.
 
Wizaard said:
There's a pernicious narrative that the football is boring all the time. It isn't.
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No it isn't in fact away from home it could be described as garbage whereas the home form has been good but not always lovely to watch. There just seems to be a lack of, what x3 described as "Oomph" about the place, the overriding atmosphere around the club is sterile and it lacks any personality at all, I likened it to the Stepford Wives. If we don't make the play offs this season, and I really don't think we will anywhere near them it has to be seen as a poor season, 14 more games to go (13?) we will know more by then. Critchley is safe until at least then and I think Sadler will keep him on for next season too and we will really see the patience of the supporters. If he backs his man he has to live with whatever the outcome is.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Did people cancel in 96 when we threw it away with big budget and terrible football? Or the middling crap under Megson the year after, how about the calamity of Worthington? Watching a Hendry team was like throwing a football to eleven strangers with no interest in football.

It's been so much worse than this many times, before this year I've never once experienced us as a fan base thinking we have a divine right to be promoted, what's got in to us? Are we Sunderland or Wednesday now? We used to mock this kind of behaviour, it's spread insidiously over this past year, it's weird and it's not the club I know.

Maybe it's a hangover from the Oystons, I don't know, one thing I do know us we're currently miles away from being the best fans.
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I agree with all that. The biggest difference between 96 and now is that AVFTT was a fanzine ( I still have some issues squirrelled away), there was the Gazette and the matchday programme. Now those with the loudest voices ( and often the smallest brains) have here, twatter, facebook etc to shout on. All anonymously of course.
 
Nah, unless we lose 10 in a row or something ridiculous he'll be here next season, i'm sure the board will consider a finish just outside of the play-offs as an acceptable, if unspectacular season.

The concern is that if the season does fizzle out, as seems likely, I can't see us averaging 10'000 + again with the prospect of another season under Critchley, you're gonna be looking at PNE level league one attendances at best.
 
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