Brexit Deal

Let’s hope so. And let’s hope it’s genuinely a good deal for all UK citizens.
And stage 2 will be for Boris to sell it to the lunatic fringe in his own party. Will they put the country’s best interests first?
 
Have we relaxed on fishing and gained on some of the points in the level playing field? A no deal was no use to anybody.
 
straightatthewall said:
Let’s hope so. And let’s hope it’s genuinely a good deal for all UK citizens.
And stage 2 will be for Boris to sell it to the lunatic fringe in his own party. Will they put the country’s best interests first?
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It won't matter what the ERG nutters say as it will go through with Labour support as surely, whatever it is, it will be preferable to no deal. We'll also get an insight into people like Farage and the professional economic hooligans that follow him in whether they have the country's best interest really at heart. Let's hope for some type of FTA coupled with guarantees for protection of workers rights, health and safety and environmental protection.
 
Incompetent Boris would have been hung drawn and quartered had we not reached a deal so I’am sure he's still going to anyway once we get to know what the actual details of the deal are.
Some people will never be satisfied and he’s in a no win situation.
 
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We will definitely make some concessions on the fishing but I expect that was always the plan.
Hope the rest of the deal works for the majority of UK businesses. I reckon there will also be a 6 month warm handover period (transition by any other name) to help ease into the change.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Incompetent Boris would have been hung drawn and quartered had we not reached a deal so I’am sure he's still going to once we get to know what the actual details are.
Some people will never be satisfied.
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I think he will be judged on the basis of whether it is better than Theresa May's deal.
 
Reports this morning were that the UK had reduced its demands on fishing from 60% over 3 years to 30% over a five year period. This was rejected by the EU so if a deal has been done it's because either we cut it further or the EU compromised. Whichever happened, it will be a relief for everyone involved.
 
You can absolutely guarantee that Farage and the ERG won't like it, as it will involve UK concessions. These people seem to often be under the weird impression that in a negotiation the UK will get everything it wants and the EU won't get anything it wants.

I agree with a previous post - Labour will vote for the deal and render Farage and the ERG powerless. I look forward to it.
 
Macron wanted minimum 25% on fishing and I reckon that’s what he got. Will look like a bit of a climb down from Boris’s original 80% but I expect that was just part of the negotiation tactics and they were never that bothered
 
So be it, not ideal if he’s had to give way, but given the extraordinary economic impact of Covid, I doubt anyone else would have done anything different. A deal is absolutely vital.
 
The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
 
Scaramanga said:
The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
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It also depends on how far each side was always prepared to bend all along but using the poker face to negotiate.
It doesn’t really matter who caved first as it were, it matters more if the deal is acceptable, reasonable, fair.
 
As far as fishing is concerned, I think we had a strategy of building that particular issue up (essentially creating a mountain out of a molehill) in order to gain concessions elsewhere through eventual capitulation.....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As far as fishing is concerned, I think we had a strategy of building that particular issue up (essentially creating a mountain out of a molehill) in order to gain concessions elsewhere through eventual capitulation.....
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I think I agree . It seemed to be the one strong card we really had because Macron knows the carnage a harsh outcome for the EU would cause in France.
Seems likely, as it was the card we clung onto till the bitter end.
 
It looks like sense has prevailed, which is a welcome relief. Let's see how it all pans out. Unfortunately Farage will use any little hobby horse to whip up a bluster. You know the bloke who advocated a Norway arrangement and they are in the single market.
 
Shandypants said:
It looks like sense has prevailed, which is a welcome relief. Let's see how it all pans out. Unfortunately Farage will use any little hobby horse to whip up a bluster. You know the bloke who advocated a Norway arrangement and they are in the single market.
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Going forward Farage is largely irrelevant. Or only as relevant as you let him be.
 
There’s going to a little bit of ground given on both sides there simply has to be but just listening to Laura Kuenessburg on the BBC news she was pretty adamant the U.K. will still have access to the huge EU trading block but won’t have to be determined by EU rules and that alone was a major stumbling block and if true that is fantastic news.
But like others say before we go waving the Union Jack and the remoaners waving the EU flag or countries that they now live in let’s wait and see what’s definitely in the box.
 
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Lala said:
Going forward Farage is largely irrelevant. Or only as relevant as you let him be.
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He's never been relevant to me and anyone with a modicum of intelligence. Unfortunately he was always given a platform that outstripped his importance (had a season ticket on question time for years) and he clearly influences a lot of people. To try and keep himself relevant (and in the money) he'll find something to rally against. Lets see how the likes of the ERG and Farage react on the coming months. As for the rest of us it would be great to move on and heal the wounds and hopefully regain our position of respect through the world. None of this will be easy and I still see a rocky road ahead, I hope I'm wrong!
 
tangerine_neil said:
Macron wanted minimum 25% on fishing and I reckon that’s what he got. Will look like a bit of a climb down from Boris’s original 80% but I expect that was just part of the negotiation tactics and they were never that bothered
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The way I understand it the Boris wanted the EU to give us back 80% of the fish quota the EU catch in UK waters, But Macron was insisting the EU only gives us a maximum of 25% of the quota they catch in UK waters, back to us, ?

Whatever fish we get back, (and as the UK rules stand at this moment in time,) the extra quota we get back will be shared between all the trawlers registered in the UK, including those boats with UK quotas that are owned by foreigners - that's why the Spanish, Dutch and others continued buying or renting UK quotas over the last 4 years.

And there are plenty of UK trawler owners willing to sell or rent their quotas to them, even now
 
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Something else to carp about I suppose. Politics! You cod'nt make it up 🐟🦈🐡🦀
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I fail to see how getting back 25% of the fish that was already ours, can be seen as a victory. ?

Lets wait and see how much of the quota that UK boats are allowed to catch in EU waters that we have to give back to EU boats ? knowing Boris its probably all of it.
 
tangerine_neil said:
We will definitely make some concessions on the fishing but I expect that was always the plan.
Hope the rest of the deal works for the majority of UK businesses. I reckon there will also be a 6 month warm handover period (transition by any other name) to help ease into the change.
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The majority of uk businesses don’t trade with the EU. So tell me how they will benefit.
 
Johnson has collapsed like a pack of cards. For all his bluster and tough talk, like all the rest he has conceded just about everything. He talks a load of 💩.
 
Pool4eva said:
I fail to see how getting back 25% of the fish that was already ours, can be seen as a victory. ?

Lets wait and see how much of the quota that UK boats are allowed to catch in EU waters that we have to give back to EU boats ? knowing Boris its probably all of it.
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I can see why you’d think that.

As I understand it, after 5.5 years the EU will still have 75% of “our” fish. In the years before then, as the new quotas are phased in, I’m assuming the percentage will be higher.

However let’s wait and see what has actually been agreed. Not long now.
 
Pool4eva said:
The way I understand it the Boris wanted the EU to give us back 80% of the fish quota the EU catch in UK waters, But Macron was insisting the EU only gives us a maximum of 25% of the quota they catch in UK waters, back to us, ?

Whatever fish we get back, (and as the UK rules stand at this moment in time,) the extra quota we get back will be shared between all the trawlers registered in the UK, including those boats with UK quotas that are owned by foreigners - that's why the Spanish, Dutch and others continued buying or renting UK quotas over the last 4 years.

And there are plenty of UK trawler owners willing to sell or rent their quotas to them, even now
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Yes exactly. Plenty of loopholes need closing. The registration of U.K. trawlers should be one of the first to be resolved.
 
Scaramanga said:
The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
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This is about as true as any statement can be on this. Both sides will declare they've triumphed and the other side has been trounced. In the UK, the leavers will say they EU has capitulated like they always said they would and remain will say we've left with a worse deal than we previously had. The same will be true even after reading 2000 pages and it will be decades before the full impact is seen for better or for worse.
All i know is that in the last 4.5 years, normal people haven't benefited and rich people have....
 
We haven`t exactly scalloped to victory but this agreement will take it`s plaice in history no doubt in a sea of recriminations aimed at our s kipper.Personally I would be happy to donate to the EU all the Sturgeon they can catch.
 
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From a stability position, it's clearly a huge positive that (fingers crossed) a deal has been agreed. It allows businesses to move forward with a clear understanding of the rules. If we have secured access to a tariff-free, quota-free market 'without penalty' then congratulations to BJ and his team as that would (on paper) be a major triumph. The obvious point there is 'without penalty'.

Irrespective of the final outcome, I'm still damned if I can work out how the UK can be in a more powerful position longer-term without the combined trading power and leverage that being part of the EU (warts and all) brought. I can only see a situation where our increased exposure to US, Chinese, Russian and even Middle Eastern forces increases, without additional trade power, will leave us beholden to them and their power rather than some of the rules we didn't like from our closest neighbours.
 
straightatthewall said:
From a stability position, it's clearly a huge positive that (fingers crossed) a deal has been agreed. It allows businesses to move forward with a clear understanding of the rules. If we have secured access to a tariff-free, quota-free market 'without penalty' then congratulations to BJ and his team as that would (on paper) be a major triumph. The obvious point there is 'without penalty'.

Irrespective of the final outcome, I'm still damned if I can work out how the UK can be in a more powerful position longer-term without the combined trading power and leverage that being part of the EU (warts and all) brought. I can only see a situation where our increased exposure to US, Chinese, Russian and even Middle Eastern forces increases, without additional trade power, will leave us beholden to them and their power rather than some of the rules we didn't like from our closest neighbours.
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The govts office for budget responsibility stated a basic deal with reduce our GDP by 5.2% over the next 15 years. What worries me the most is the low base level this country (after austerity) has put itself in terms of the quality of education, transport and public services. I can't fathom how further cuts can be undertaken (without drastic consequences) to balance the shrinking economy and coupled with an enormous national debt post covid its going to be hard times.
 
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