1950`spoolfan
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Apparently!
It won't matter what the ERG nutters say as it will go through with Labour support as surely, whatever it is, it will be preferable to no deal. We'll also get an insight into people like Farage and the professional economic hooligans that follow him in whether they have the country's best interest really at heart. Let's hope for some type of FTA coupled with guarantees for protection of workers rights, health and safety and environmental protection.Let’s hope so. And let’s hope it’s genuinely a good deal for all UK citizens.
And stage 2 will be for Boris to sell it to the lunatic fringe in his own party. Will they put the country’s best interests first?
I think he will be judged on the basis of whether it is better than Theresa May's deal.Incompetent Boris would have been hung drawn and quartered had we not reached a deal so I’am sure he's still going to once we get to know what the actual details are.
Some people will never be satisfied.
The first one or the second one?I think he will be judged on the basis of whether it is better than Theresa May's deal.
So just Macron to approve it then.By the sound of it, still needs to be agreed by 27 eu governments
It also depends on how far each side was always prepared to bend all along but using the poker face to negotiate.The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
I think I agree . It seemed to be the one strong card we really had because Macron knows the carnage a harsh outcome for the EU would cause in France.As far as fishing is concerned, I think we had a strategy of building that particular issue up (essentially creating a mountain out of a molehill) in order to gain concessions elsewhere through eventual capitulation.....
Going forward Farage is largely irrelevant. Or only as relevant as you let him be.It looks like sense has prevailed, which is a welcome relief. Let's see how it all pans out. Unfortunately Farage will use any little hobby horse to whip up a bluster. You know the bloke who advocated a Norway arrangement and they are in the single market.
He's never been relevant to me and anyone with a modicum of intelligence. Unfortunately he was always given a platform that outstripped his importance (had a season ticket on question time for years) and he clearly influences a lot of people. To try and keep himself relevant (and in the money) he'll find something to rally against. Lets see how the likes of the ERG and Farage react on the coming months. As for the rest of us it would be great to move on and heal the wounds and hopefully regain our position of respect through the world. None of this will be easy and I still see a rocky road ahead, I hope I'm wrong!Going forward Farage is largely irrelevant. Or only as relevant as you let him be.
The way I understand it the Boris wanted the EU to give us back 80% of the fish quota the EU catch in UK waters, But Macron was insisting the EU only gives us a maximum of 25% of the quota they catch in UK waters, back to us, ?Macron wanted minimum 25% on fishing and I reckon that’s what he got. Will look like a bit of a climb down from Boris’s original 80% but I expect that was just part of the negotiation tactics and they were never that bothered
Hopefully we’ve battered him.It's all a bit fishy, I'm just glad we've knocked Macron off his perch. He made a rod for his own back and he's been reeled in like a kipper.
Covid obviously made him weak.Hopefully we’ve battered him.
A metaphore island ShandyIt's all a bit fishy, I'm just glad we've knocked Macron off his perch. He made a rod for his own back and he's been reeled in like a kipper.
Theres no plaice for him. Hes got no sole.It's all a bit fishy, I'm just glad we've knocked Macron off his perch. He made a rod for his own back and he's been reeled in like a kipper.
I fail to see how getting back 25% of the fish that was already ours, can be seen as a victory. ?Something else to carp about I suppose. Politics! You cod'nt make it up
The majority of uk businesses don’t trade with the EU. So tell me how they will benefit.We will definitely make some concessions on the fishing but I expect that was always the plan.
Hope the rest of the deal works for the majority of UK businesses. I reckon there will also be a 6 month warm handover period (transition by any other name) to help ease into the change.
I can see why you’d think that.I fail to see how getting back 25% of the fish that was already ours, can be seen as a victory. ?
Lets wait and see how much of the quota that UK boats are allowed to catch in EU waters that we have to give back to EU boats ? knowing Boris its probably all of it.
Yes exactly. Plenty of loopholes need closing. The registration of U.K. trawlers should be one of the first to be resolved.The way I understand it the Boris wanted the EU to give us back 80% of the fish quota the EU catch in UK waters, But Macron was insisting the EU only gives us a maximum of 25% of the quota they catch in UK waters, back to us, ?
Whatever fish we get back, (and as the UK rules stand at this moment in time,) the extra quota we get back will be shared between all the trawlers registered in the UK, including those boats with UK quotas that are owned by foreigners - that's why the Spanish, Dutch and others continued buying or renting UK quotas over the last 4 years.
And there are plenty of UK trawler owners willing to sell or rent their quotas to them, even now
The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
This is about as true as any statement can be on this. Both sides will declare they've triumphed and the other side has been trounced. In the UK, the leavers will say they EU has capitulated like they always said they would and remain will say we've left with a worse deal than we previously had. The same will be true even after reading 2000 pages and it will be decades before the full impact is seen for better or for worse.The Left will cry he folded and the right will say he triumphed over evil. Unless the full document is read and understood I would imagine nobody knows who blinked first.
The govts office for budget responsibility stated a basic deal with reduce our GDP by 5.2% over the next 15 years. What worries me the most is the low base level this country (after austerity) has put itself in terms of the quality of education, transport and public services. I can't fathom how further cuts can be undertaken (without drastic consequences) to balance the shrinking economy and coupled with an enormous national debt post covid its going to be hard times.From a stability position, it's clearly a huge positive that (fingers crossed) a deal has been agreed. It allows businesses to move forward with a clear understanding of the rules. If we have secured access to a tariff-free, quota-free market 'without penalty' then congratulations to BJ and his team as that would (on paper) be a major triumph. The obvious point there is 'without penalty'.
Irrespective of the final outcome, I'm still damned if I can work out how the UK can be in a more powerful position longer-term without the combined trading power and leverage that being part of the EU (warts and all) brought. I can only see a situation where our increased exposure to US, Chinese, Russian and even Middle Eastern forces increases, without additional trade power, will leave us beholden to them and their power rather than some of the rules we didn't like from our closest neighbours.
Being reported that the negotiators have just realised they’ve been using out of date figures on the fishing quotasJust been reported on the BBC lunch time news there’s a last minute glitch on the fishing side of the deal.