BREXIT OR NO BREXIT?

PETER SPRUCE 1

PETER SPRUCE 1

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Was just wondering ,while sitting here getting pissed 😛 , (that bits for BFCx3) how many on this forum actually voted for Brexit , and may now be thinking they wish we had stayed in the EU GENUINE QUESTION AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS ON THIS.
Sorry for shouting a little bit.
 
Congratulations, despite living abroad you've managed to keep your finger on the pulse of the real issues facing the nation.

Back to the football - I hear Sir Stan is a doubt for this afternoon's game 😉
 
There are always winners and losers, what is a catastrophe for one is an opportunity for another. I think currently its impact is overall negative but the effects on the average person are not great enough to be of concern to the general public. The UK is diminished further as a world power but again, the average person does not notice. My brother in law is really pleased with Brexit, he was what I would call an emotional voter, he would take a considerable downturn in his fortunes to secure his view of political independence. That said he uses private healthcare and education and the down would have to be pretty hard to make him feel it.

It has screwed my uncle who did a lot of work in Europe, he has now lost his house and his ability to work effectively. He is a really hard worker and is building again within the new framework.

For me it has made no apparent difference apart from bureaucratic hindrances with travel. I prefer the passport colour as well. I really hate the tendency of democracies to split into ever smaller pieces. Rejoin for me.

Also, it is Saturday so 0-2 to the Pool.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
Was just wondering ,while sitting here getting pissed 😛 , (that bits for BFCx3) how many on this forum actually voted for Brexit , and may now be thinking they wish we had stayed in the EU GENUINE QUESTION AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS ON THIS.
Sorry for shouting a little bit.
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I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
 
For me stamping the passport is the main positive of brexit, I have that many holidays, before stamping I couldn't remember them all now stamps and dates all in passport. 😄
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
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62 sounds good, I wish I could but my medical insurance would eat most of it up. For me 65 will give me about 30% more but even then I would not like to without a very healthy private fund.
I think I may be an economic migrant so I will keep out of that one!
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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We could retire at 62 over here, just need to up income tax by say 10 pence. I’m sure that would be a vote winner.
 
CD14 said:
62 sounds good, I wish I could but my medical insurance would eat most of it up. For me 65 will give me about 30% more but even then I would not like to without a very healthy private fund.
I think I may be an economic migrant so I will keep out of that one!
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Not sure where he/she gets 62 as a retirement age in the USA. For most people it is 67 and even then, like you say, medical insurance and the cost of healthcare is a concern. You see a lot of older people returning to employment taking on part-time jobs because of inflation and the increase in the cost of living.
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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Did she struggle so much before the tories came in, I wonder?
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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Is the USA in the EU then? Didn't know that.
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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So you've gone to NYC as an economic migrant. Maybe you should fuck off..
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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"they steal our benefits and they steal our jobs"
Last time I checked immigrants were a net economic contributer to the country but let's not let that get in the way of a good old bit of prejudice.
 
Wizaard said:
So you've gone to NYC as an economic migrant. Maybe you should fuck off..
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I'm on holiday and I'm contributing to their economy using money I earned by getting my arse out if bed for the last 40 years, and going to work, whilst contributing to the economy of Great Britain through taxation and spending.

Unlike these people, foreign, British, whoever they are, freeloaders who contribute nothing yet are given everything before the very people who fund it.
We have people living in hotels, being fed and watered and kept warm and housed whilst we have pensioners who darent turn their heating on because the can't afford it and we have veterans living on the streets with mental health issues that we can't afford to fund.

Does that sound fair to you?
Shandypants said:
"they steal our benefits and they steal our jobs"
Last time I checked immigrants were a net economic contributer to the country but let's not let that get in the way of a good old bit of prejudice.
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Shandypants said:
"they steal our benefits and they steal our jobs"
Last time I checked immigrants were a net economic contributer to the country but let's not let that get in the way of a good old bit of prejudice.
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Shandypants said:
"they steal our benefits and they steal our jobs"
Last time I checked immigrants were a net economic contributer to the country but let's not let that get in the way of a good old bit of prejudice.
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Theres a difference between a refugee and an economic migrant.
You obviously don't know it.
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm on holiday and I'm contributing to their economy using money I earned by getting my arse out if bed for the last 40 years, and going to work, whilst contributing to the economy of Great Britain through taxation and spending.

Unlike these people, foreign, British, whoever they are, freeloaders who contribute nothing yet are given everything before the very people who fund it.
We have people living in hotels, being fed and watered and kept warm and housed whilst we have pensioners who darent turn their heating on because the can't afford it and we have veterans living on the streets with mental health issues that we can't afford to fund.

Does that sound fair to you?




Theres a difference between a refugee and an economic migrant.
You obviously don't know it.
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They cannot work because the Government have deliberately slowed down on processing. Migrants contribute far more in tax and work than they take out when they're allowed to.

Meanwhile former Government friends disappear off on a yacht with £200 million plus of fraudulently obtained PPE money and nothing is done to recapture it.

That's where the real damage to our economy is.
 
Wizaard said:
They cannot work because the Government have deliberately slowed down on processing. Migrants contribute far more in tax and work than they take out when they're allowed to.

Meanwhile former Government friends disappear off on a yacht with £200 million plus of fraudulently obtained PPE money and nothing is done to recapture it.

That's where the real damage to our economy is.
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Yes, of course it is.

Illegal economic migrants are costing us,the tax payer £8 million a day in accommodation alone and that's ok, is it........

They are here ILLEGALLY..... but obviously that's ok too.
 
Ginge 2 said:
No but they look after their own people who work or have worked, instead of like the EU and it's open door policy. Chump
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I've lived and worked in the USA, they couldn't give a stuff about "their own people", it's dog eat dog. If you can't see that you're a moron.
 
Meliora said:
I've lived and worked in the USA, they couldn't give a stuff about "their own people", it's dog eat dog. If you can't see that you're a moron.
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Good government pension at 62 v a crap government pension at 67......if that's not giving a stuff then I'm all for it.

I spoke to a couple of retirees from Milwaukee last night. Both 70, both getting good pensions from the state with small personal pensions.
Going on a cruise from NY to Nova Scotia, living life to the full and will have FIVE more years on a state pension than we have.
 
Ginge 2 said:
Yes, of course it is.

Illegal economic migrants are costing us,the tax payer £8 million a day in accommodation alone and that's ok, is it........

They are here ILLEGALLY..... but obviously that's ok too.
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The Government are costing us £8 million a day because they're not doing their job properly. It shouldnt cost anything like that, but Tory donors are benefitting through slashing of Home Office applications staff. And they're only illegal because of the ridiculous changes to the rules this lot have brought in.
 
Wizaard said:
The Government are costing us £8 million a day because they're not doing their job properly. It shouldnt cost anything like that, but Tory donors are benefitting through slashing of Home Office applications staff. And they're only illegal because of the ridiculous changes to the rules this lot have brought in.
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So let me get this right, literally tens of thousands of male migrants are arriving on our shores, migrants who are claiming asylum, males who have already passed through other countries where they should legally apply for asylum as the first safe country, they then pay for a place on a boat to get here yet it's the government at fault.....
The cost however way you look at it in your Labour agenda driven way is borne by the tax payer whether it be in accommodation or benefits.
What jobs are these people going to do?
Where are they going to live?

This country is full.
Our tax burden now is at its highest rate since the end of World war 2.......I suppose that's the Conservative governments fault too.....unlike Labour who just funded everything from the magic money tree and left when it was empty....
The money to fund these illegal migrants, their health and wellbeing, their accommodation and food is a massive drain on our NHS and benefits system but it's the government at fault.
It wouldn't matter which government was in place the fact remains the cost is affecting everyone who works, by way of taxation and it affects state pensions for those who have done their bit and should be living out their years in a warm home with some degree of comfort.
 
Ginge 2 said:
So let me get this right, literally tens of thousands of male migrants are arriving on our shores, migrants who are claiming asylum, males who have already passed through other countries where they should legally apply for asylum as the first safe country, they then pay for a place on a boat to get here yet it's the government at fault.....
The cost however way you look at it in your Labour agenda driven way is borne by the tax payer whether it be in accommodation or benefits.
What jobs are these people going to do?
Where are they going to live?

This country is full.
Our tax burden now is at its highest rate since the end of World war 2.......I suppose that's the Conservative governments fault too.....unlike Labour who just funded everything from the magic money tree and left when it was empty....
The money to fund these illegal migrants, their health and wellbeing, their accommodation and food is a massive drain on our NHS and benefits system but it's the government at fault.
It wouldn't matter which government was in place the fact remains the cost is affecting everyone who works, by way of taxation and it affects state pensions for those who have done their bit and should be living out their years in a warm home with some degree of comfort.
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The tax burden is at its highest and its not the fault of the Government who have been in power nearly 14 years? What planet are you on to make that Labour's fault?

The blame on migrants is exactly the same as the blame on the Jews in the 30s.

Far more money has been siphoned into cronies pockets than is spent on migrants. That's a fact.

Deflection tactics that the gullible fall for.
 
Ginge 2 said:
So let me get this right, literally tens of thousands of male migrants are arriving on our shores, migrants who are claiming asylum, males who have already passed through other countries where they should legally apply for asylum as the first safe country, they then pay for a place on a boat to get here yet it's the government at fault.....
The cost however way you look at it in your Labour agenda driven way is borne by the tax payer whether it be in accommodation or benefits.
What jobs are these people going to do?
Where are they going to live?

This country is full.
Our tax burden now is at its highest rate since the end of World war 2.......I suppose that's the Conservative governments fault too.....unlike Labour who just funded everything from the magic money tree and left when it was empty....
The money to fund these illegal migrants, their health and wellbeing, their accommodation and food is a massive drain on our NHS and benefits system but it's the government at fault.
It wouldn't matter which government was in place the fact remains the cost is affecting everyone who works, by way of taxation and it affects state pensions for those who have done their bit and should be living out their years in a warm home with some degree of comfort.
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Migrants do NOT have to apply in the 1st safe country. We also take less migrants than other countries in Europe
 
Honestly. I give up.
I've given a balanced view of what is actually happening.
You can't get the red mist from your eyes.
Everything is the Conservatives fault !
If the last Labour government were so good why did they get voted out?


Good luck on your race to the bottom.
 
Ginge 2 said:
Honestly. I give up.
I've given a balanced view of what is actually happening.
You can't get the red mist from your eyes.
Everything is the Conservatives fault !
If the last Labour government were so good why did they get voted out?


Good luck on your race to the bottom.
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Explain why it's NOT their fault? 14 years in power with a close to 80 majority but they have no control.

It just doesn't add up, except to say they are incompetent. Nothing to do with red mist and everything to do with poor, divisive policies actively serving the rich at the expense of the vast majority.
 
Ginge 2 said:
So let me get this right, literally tens of thousands of male migrants are arriving on our shores, migrants who are claiming asylum, males who have already passed through other countries where they should legally apply for asylum as the first safe country, they then pay for a place on a boat to get here yet it's the government at fault.....
The cost however way you look at it in your Labour agenda driven way is borne by the tax payer whether it be in accommodation or benefits.
What jobs are these people going to do?
Where are they going to live?

This country is full.
Our tax burden now is at its highest rate since the end of World war 2.......I suppose that's the Conservative governments fault too.....unlike Labour who just funded everything from the magic money tree and left when it was empty....
The money to fund these illegal migrants, their health and wellbeing, their accommodation and food is a massive drain on our NHS and benefits system but it's the government at fault.
It wouldn't matter which government was in place the fact remains the cost is affecting everyone who works, by way of taxation and it affects state pensions for those who have done their bit and should be living out their years in a warm home with some degree of comfort.
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You want to draw your pension, you need migrants to pay for it.

No Migrants / No Pension

Simples
 
Wizaard said:
Explain why it's NOT their fault? 14 years in power with a close to 80 majority but they have no control.

It just doesn't add up, except to say they are incompetent. Nothing to do with red mist and everything to do with poor, divisive policies actively serving the rich at the expense of the vast majority.
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I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You want to draw your pension, you need migrants to pay for it.

No Migrants / No Pension

Simples
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So if someone has a job that pays X amount but that amount isn't enough to cover housing etc the benefits system tops that up, correct? So, in effect they are negative contributers.

How does that pay anything?

It doesn't and that's the problem.

Many countries now have a policy of allowing only migrants with skill sets that will benefit that country. That is good for the economy.

As I've said previously, and will stand by, genuine asylum seekers must be helped, it goes without saying, but allowing anyone with nothing to offer, into our country benefits only that person and that benefit must be questionable to that individual. Poor housing poor prospects, we are in danger of creating a new lower, 'lower' class.
We in the NW of England aren't fully seeing the human impact of illegal migration whereas those in the South and South East are swamped.
We are all suffering the economic impact.

Having seen at first hand an immigrant verbally abusing a volunteer at the Salvation army centre on Leamington Rd, simply because she was a female and seen as a lower class of person because of her sex brings into the debate the clash of cultures.
I had to step in to avoid an escalation.

Controlled immigration of people with the skills we are short of is good, I've never said it isn't.
It's the illegal economic migrants who give nothing that I'm against. So should we all be, they are illegal.
I've just returned from New York, a city built on imigrants.
There are a lot of very poor people there, simply because they have nothing to offer.
I saw a lady with a small child no older than maybe 3 years old, selling cups of water. It was heartbreaking. They had nothing.....no hope, literally nothing....this was in the Upper East side, a ridiculously wealthy area.....would she not have been better off staying in her own country with a family network to help?
 
Ginge 2 said:
So if someone has a job that pays X amount but that amount isn't enough to cover housing etc the benefits system tops that up, correct? So, in effect they are negative contributers.

How does that pay anything?

It doesn't and that's the problem.

Many countries now have a policy of allowing only migrants with skill sets that will benefit that country. That is good for the economy.

As I've said previously, and will stand by, genuine asylum seekers must be helped, it goes without saying, but allowing anyone with nothing to offer, into our country benefits only that person and that benefit must be questionable to that individual. Poor housing poor prospects, we are in danger of creating a new lower, 'lower' class.
We in the NW of England aren't fully seeing the human impact of illegal migration whereas those in the South and South East are swamped.
We are all suffering the economic impact.

Having seen at first hand an immigrant verbally abusing a volunteer at the Salvation army centre on Leamington Rd, simply because she was a female and seen as a lower class of person because of her sex brings into the debate the clash of cultures.
I had to step in to avoid an escalation.

Controlled immigration of people with the skills we are short of is good, I've never said it isn't.
It's the illegal economic migrants who give nothing that I'm against. So should we all be, they are illegal.
I've just returned from New York, a city built on imigrants.
There are a lot of very poor people there, simply because they have nothing to offer.
I saw a lady with a small child no older than maybe 3 years old, selling cups of water. It was heartbreaking. They had nothing.....no hope, literally nothing....this was in the Upper East side, a ridiculously wealthy area.....would she not have been better off staying in her own country with a family network to help?
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I can’t be arsed reading any of that, sorry.

Maybe you should write to Tory HQ 👍
 
Allmodcons said:
Congratulations, despite living abroad you've managed to keep your finger on the pulse of the real issues facing the nation.

Back to the football - I hear Sir Stan is a doubt for this afternoon's game 😉
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Yes he didn’t play due to a hammy injury during training at Squires Gate.
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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Do I understand you correctly: The retirement age in this country is too high because of economic immigrants? Every day's a school day!
 
Ginge 2 said:
I'm currently in NYC and I'm glad we're out of the EU.
Pensioners here retire at 62 with a good state pension.
The sooner our government, whichever party it is, starts to boot out these economic migrants the better.
All these people are doing is making our lives our futures and our country worse.
It's wrong that people arrive and expect to be looked after, fed and homed and my 80 year old mum struggles to pay her bills even though she worked full time from the age of 14.

They can fuck off.
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Absolutely staggering that you blame your mum not being able to pay her bills on a few economic migrants rather than a government who has systematically destroyed the economy putting millions into poverty and abject misery.

Unbelievable. No wonder we are in such mess when people think like this.
 
Macseasider said:
Absolutely staggering that you blame your mum not being able to pay her bills on a few economic migrants rather than a government who has systematically destroyed the economy putting millions into poverty and abject misery.

Unbelievable. No wonder we are in such mess when people think like this.
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Fortunately he lives somewhere else so won't be voting, but sadly there are deluded people like him who can.
 
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