Brixton street party

Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
And you choose to cut out my debate “The commonality may be age, social deprivation, gender, gangs or criminality or many things. But no, you assume it’s race and censor. Crassly overstepping the mark and killing this board.“

There’s a section of the community who are deliberately flouting lockdown and thereby increasing the risks to the rest of the community. Not one offs, but a pattern of behaviour. Add Kensal Town and Maida Vale block parties to that list from last night. If the common factors are ignored then they can’t be targeted and stopped. But all we hear in the media is the violent outcome and not the reason these events are happening. Address that with openness and honesty and we may get to the root causes of why this behaviour is happening and what the failure is that causes many people to stick two fingers up to the health of the rest of society.
My question is just as valid. What is common to Notting Hill, Brixton, Kensal Town and Maida Vale block parties?
Why has the message failed to get through? Why do some not care? I’d be just as happy to debate the same about scousers but this thread is about street parties in London
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Well seeing your post referred only to Brixton and Moss Side it was apparent that you were not referring to street parties in London.

Most people knew exactly what you were trying to do based on your history of posting. Its called dog whistling, as I am sure you know.
 
bollieboy said:
Well seeing your post referred only to Brixton and Moss Side it was apparent that you were not referring to street parties in London.

Most people knew exactly what you were trying to do based on your history of posting. Its called dog whistling, as I am sure you know.
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Wrong, I said Notting Hill and Brixton. It was entirely about London block parties. Never even mentioned Moss Side.
 
catinstalbans said:
I don't think he was ever supportive of BLM, so what in fact has changed
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It's obvious from your incorrect assumption that you haven't applied any thought to the comments.
You don't know who supports what; what their history is; who their friends, work colleagues and relatives are etc.
It may be better that you do start to think rather than draw wildly inaccurate conclusions and post post criticisms for all to read.
I did support the initial motives & intentions of the BLM movement, but I don't have to explain myself to you.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
We had a thread on here a week or so ago saying some 14 year old kid in Blackpool had knocked out a Policeman and the whole area had fallen into mayhem.......There are areas of Preston where kids (KIDS) are dealing drugs on the street and Police fear to drive through because their cars get stoned.

I was in Burnley on Friday......what a Poo hole that place is......The office I visited had 2 security guards on the gate checking everyone into the car park...I was told that last week at the nursery in the complex, they had a 19 year mum OD in the kids toilet, while she was changing her kids nappies....

It's not a black thing...it's not a white thing.......this rubbish is going down all over the UK.
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Peel Park behind Tesco has two security guards checking people in. Doesn't mean it's a hell hole...oh wait a minute.
 
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Brett scores for fun said:
It's obvious from your incorrect assumption that you haven't applied any thought to the comments.
You don't know who supports what; what their history is; who their friends, work colleagues and relatives are etc.
It may be better that you do start to think rather than draw wildly inaccurate conclusions and post post criticisms for all to read.
I did support the initial motives & intentions of the BLM movement, but I don't have to explain myself to you.
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Except that every post you have put up about the protests has been negative.
 
That'll be 'negative' in your pompas "I'm always right" self righteous attitude is it?
I'm sure I've read on here that you are a teacher; we have several teachers in our family and I just thank the Lord that they are more open minded than you are, and they are able to debate matters without drawing incorrect conclusions, based on the flimsiest of evidence.
I don't think I've ever read anything positive that you have written or anyone agreeing with your views and I would hate to have you next to me in the trenches!
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
And you choose to cut out my debate “The commonality may be age, social deprivation, gender, gangs or criminality or many things. But no, you assume it’s race and censor. Crassly overstepping the mark and killing this board.“
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You only mentioned all that in your second post - AFTER I'd pulled you up about it.

Like I say, we aren't idiots, we knew what you were driving at. You just didn't quite have the guts to say it outright.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
I don't think I've ever read anything positive that you have written or anyone agreeing with your views and I would hate to have you next to me in the trenches!
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Plenty of people on here have agreed with Cat’s views. As for your trenches comment, it always sounds such an idiotic thing for someone to say.
 
Recidivist3 said:
Plenty of people on here have agreed with Cat’s views. As for your trenches comment, it always sounds such an idiotic thing for someone to say.
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It begs the question of when was the last major war with trench systems? Were they a major feature of WW2?
 
Wizaard said:
It begs the question of when was the last major war with trench systems? Were they a major feature of WW2?
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All squaddies know how to dig a trench, trust me. ☹️

WW2 has plenty of examples of trench systems - anywhere where a defence line is going to be static, you start digging in.
 
Recidivist3 said:
Plenty of people on here have agreed with Cat’s views. As for your trenches comment, it always sounds such an idiotic thing for someone to say.
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Ahh a wee mate & protector of the far left, anti Trump, anti Boris, anti anyone representing the UK Gov & anti everything that doesn't fit with your mindset.
It's actually not an idiotic thing to say, if your working life has involved facing the bad guys and fighting daily for the freedoms of a civilised society - it's a very common statement in such arenas.
Hence why I've taken great offence at his incorrect & insulting comments about my views of BLM and now you with your 'idiotic' reference - based on ignorance.
I doubt you've ever (or will ever) have faced an angry man whilst you've sat in some comfy job! 😘
 
Brett scores for fun said:
Ahh a wee mate & protector of the far left, anti Trump, anti Boris, anti anyone representing the UK Gov & anti everything that doesn't fit with your mindset.
It's actually not an idiotic thing to say, if your working life has involved facing the bad guys and fighting daily for the freedoms of a civilised society - it's a very common statement in such arenas.
Hence why I've taken great offence at his incorrect & insulting comments about my views of BLM and now you with your 'idiotic' reference - based on ignorance.
I doubt you've ever (or will ever) have faced an angry man whilst you've sat in some comfy job! 😘
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No doubt you think of civil servants as being in a comfy job. Believe me we've faced down many an angry person who is not getting money off us, usually individuals with mental health issues and at a desperate point in their lives.

Plus these days, there's not even a screen in place as protection.
 
FedoraExplorer said:
You only mentioned all that in your second post - AFTER I'd pulled you up about it.

Like I say, we aren't idiots, we knew what you were driving at. You just didn't quite have the guts to say it outright.
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Wrong again. I mentioned that in the second post before you got involved. In other words starting a debate on what it might be that causes a community to disrespect others in society.
The first was brief. Was there something common between two parties happening? Those who jump to assumptions that it’s about race are taking a lazy simplistic view. Like the mods did.
The matter which needs addressing is that we share a society in which significant numbers in similar communities feel so dispossessed, outsiders, alienated and disengaged that they couldn’t less about how their behaviour impacts on the welfare on the rest of society. That’s what needs discussing. And it needs honesty about why these communities feel that way. Because they do and act in a way that disrespects the rest of us who are not directly part of that world. Taking a simplistic view about this being about black lads and girls misbehaving is not what it’s about. So some honesty is needed. Why do some in the black communities behave in this way? Censoring for fear of racism where it doesn’t lie does no one in society any favours.
And the same should be asked of those who decided to pass the day on Bournemouth beach or kicking off on the Pier Head last night. Their reasons will be different but until they are brought out into the open then nobody knows how best to tackle it.
 
td53 said:
Applying what has happened in Brixton to London as a whole is like saying Lancashire is all exactly like Nelson (which is the most tense place I've ever been to). I've never felt especially unsafe in London, I haven't been everywhere, but I've been to some quite sketchy bits on my own, on foot and it just felt more or less like Manchester or Liverpool but a bit more hemmed in.

I've been to Brixton, it wasn't the world's most salubrious place, bit edgy, but I didn't fear for my life. There's so called 'no go' (dodgy/sketchy) areas in every town. I've had abuse on streets in Wigan 'oi, dickhead, who the fuck are you' type stuff. I was mugged in Yorkshire by a guy with knife. (white guy fwiw not that it matters and I also ran off successfully without losing blood or wallet!) - Everywhere has dodgy bits. I once got collared by a gang of lads on Burscough High Street (of all places!) and told to get back on my bike and fuck off out of Burscough otherwise I'd get a kicking. This really happened. I was literally just having a bike ride and Burscough is sleepy as it gets...

There is a crime problem in London but it's just completely opportunistic and divisive to start making it race linked. Drugs, poverty and high density housing, combined with crap job prospects will create crime. Tackle stuff like that instead of embarking on a quest to say 'Race X needs sorting out'

That route is only going to lead to tears. For everyone.
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FFS td53 you've experienced more violence than any average citizen would in their entire life.

You are either extremely unlucky or people must see you as a geezer.

You make a good point though which is trouble can happen anywhere but obviously there is more trouble in the bigger cities with larger populations.

I was born and bred in KIrkham although did leave in my early 20's but still have family there and I was appalled to hear that quite a few years back a guy not from the town was chased out of a pub and actually beaten to death. A girl who grew up on the same street as me witnessed it all and said they were like a pack of feral animals and despite her screaming at them to stop they just continued.

What the hell is wrong with society.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Wrong again. I mentioned that in the second post before you got involved. In other words starting a debate on what it might be that causes a community to disrespect others in society.
The first was brief. Was there something common between two parties happening? Those who jump to assumptions that it’s about race are taking a lazy simplistic view. Like the mods did.
The matter which needs addressing is that we share a society in which significant numbers in similar communities feel so dispossessed, outsiders, alienated and disengaged that they couldn’t less about how their behaviour impacts on the welfare on the rest of society. That’s what needs discussing. And it needs honesty about why these communities feel that way. Because they do and act in a way that disrespects the rest of us who are not directly part of that world. Taking a simplistic view about this being about black lads and girls misbehaving is not what it’s about. So some honesty is needed. Why do some in the black communities behave in this way? Censoring for fear of racism where it doesn’t lie does no one in society any favours.
And the same should be asked of those who decided to pass the day on Bournemouth beach or kicking off on the Pier Head last night. Their reasons will be different but until they are brought out into the open then nobody knows how best to tackle it.
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I have to fully agree with those comments.

I have said all along that the murder of the black guy in America that started all this doesn't necessarily mean it was a racist incident If a white guy had behaved in exactly the same way then the likelihood is that the cop would have still dealt with it in the same way as well. The cop was totally out of order and the law will punish him.

It seems that every time there is an issue between black and white then it gets labelled as racist and it always the white who is racist, not the black.

Floyd has been treated like a martyr in some quarters and yet no-one has mentioned his list of convictions nor the poor pregnant white woman who he assaulted in the process of burgling her home. Why isn't that conceived as racism?

I worked as a police officer in inner Manchester and there was a hell of a lot of rough and multi-cultural places and if there had been a robbery for example and a description circulated for a black male offender then if a black person fit the description (height, clothing etc) then they would be stopped and questioned.
Likewise, if it was a white offender then that is who I would look out for so where is the racism in that?

Now all this talk about removing statues etc, it really is getting out of hand
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
I’m sure I heard the BBC say something about BAME communities being more prone to catching and transmitting COVID amongst their communities. I thought it was to do with poor social conditions though. Maybe I’m mistaken.
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Nope.

More prone to reacting badly to the virus, not catching it.

Anything else you need clarifying just ask.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
FFS td53 you've experienced more violence than any average citizen would in their entire life.

You are either extremely unlucky or people must see you as a geezer.

You make a good point though which is trouble can happen anywhere but obviously there is more trouble in the bigger cities with larger populations.

I was born and bred in KIrkham although did leave in my early 20's but still have family there and I was appalled to hear that quite a few years back a guy not from the town was chased out of a pub and actually beaten to death. A girl who grew up on the same street as me witnessed it all and said they were like a pack of feral animals and despite her screaming at them to stop they just continued.

What the hell is wrong with society.
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I doubt anyone sees me as a geezer lol.

I don't feel like if experienced much violence. The little I have stands out as a complete anomaly and the fact one of the incidents was in Burscough... Just weird.

Mate of mine had a right ordeal in Ludlow. A prettier, quainter place you can't imagine.

That incident sounds awful. Crowds can be scary. Not just because of what they do but because it's frightening that individuals lose sense within them.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
Ahh a wee mate & protector of the far left, anti Trump, anti Boris, anti anyone representing the UK Gov & anti everything that doesn't fit with your mindset.
It's actually not an idiotic thing to say, if your working life has involved facing the bad guys and fighting daily for the freedoms of a civilised society - it's a very common statement in such arenas.
Hence why I've taken great offence at his incorrect & insulting comments about my views of BLM and now you with your 'idiotic' reference - based on ignorance.
I doubt you've ever (or will ever) have faced an angry man whilst you've sat in some comfy job! 😘
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What were you saying about not allowing others an opinion and making assumptions based on ignorance. Have the neighbours been playing up again 😳
 
Lala said:
I guess that’s why you left and bark at the disgusting town you left behind!
I’m happy to stay here, face our problems and not look down my nose at the community I left behind.
Call yourself a socialist , give over.
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Dear me talk about assumptions. I have never lived in Blackpool. I have worked there for 5 yrs and it was a job that meant I travelled extensively through the borough. Your statement about being a so called socialist is as silly as me calling you a right wing bootlicker
 
Brett scores for fun said:
That'll be 'negative' in your pompas "I'm always right" self righteous attitude is it?
I'm sure I've read on here that you are a teacher; we have several teachers in our family and I just thank the Lord that they are more open minded than you are, and they are able to debate matters without drawing incorrect conclusions, based on the flimsiest of evidence.
I don't think I've ever read anything positive that you have written or anyone agreeing with your views and I would hate to have you next to me in the trenches!
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That would be pompous I presume.
 
Macseasider said:
Gosh look at you frothing at the mouth all over this political thread. It doesn't matter what you type getting all angry on this obscure football website. Nothing you say is going prove or change anything........................

You cant repeatedly slag everyone off that posts on this forum and then join in. That would make you a massive hypocrite.
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Precondition of joining isn't it?
 
Shandypants said:
Dear me talk about assumptions. I have never lived in Blackpool. I have worked there for 5 yrs and it was a job that meant I travelled extensively through the borough. Your statement about being a so called socialist is as silly as me calling you a right wing bootlicker
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Which I don't believe she is. Sometimes misinformed, yes. Sometimes a pain in the posterior, yes but not a bootlicker.
 
Memphisboy said:
How dare you insinuate that I’m some sort of soft lad,afraid of different cultures, the type who’s never left his village. I’m extremely cosmopolitan, shop in Preston if Blackpool doesn’t stock certain things, love foreign food etc etc. You London based lads aren‘t the only ones who like a bit of variety.
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I've got to 'like' that Memphis...unless you meant it.😉
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
I’m getting thoroughly hacked off with this board and it’s moderators.
When I asked earlier if anyone knew what was common between Notting Hill and Brixton, it gets removed for ‘implied’ racism.

Now I’m not letting that pass so easily. If we can’t debate what are common connections between different groups then the underlying causes are being deliberately ignored. And therefore cannot faces up to and tackled.
The commonality may be age, social deprivation, gender, gangs or criminality or many things. But no, you assume it’s race and censor. Crassly overstepping the mark and killing this board.
One more strike like that and I’m off and flouncing back to the old board. So be warned.
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Yep.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
That'll be 'negative' in your pompas "I'm always right" self righteous attitude is it?
I'm sure I've read on here that you are a teacher; we have several teachers in our family and I just thank the Lord that they are more open minded than you are, and they are able to debate matters without drawing incorrect conclusions, based on the flimsiest of evidence.
I don't think I've ever read anything positive that you have written or anyone agreeing with your views and I would hate to have you next to me in the trenches!
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Careful Brett, I got kicked off here fir calling mex negative. The mods won’t be happy.
 
Recidivist3 said:
Spelling isn’t Brett’s strong point but you’re never going to win an argument by criticising someone’s spelling. Bad far leftie
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It's a teacher's job though, along with educating the ignorant, being persistent when faced with negative attitudes and upholding and defending moral values from prejudice.😉
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
I’m sure I heard the BBC say something about BAME communities being more prone to catching and transmitting COVID amongst their communities. I thought it was to do with poor social conditions though. Maybe I’m mistaken.
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Lytham_fy8 said:
Nope.
More prone to reacting badly to the virus, not catching it.
Anything else you need clarifying just ask.
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Lytham_fy8 said:
First paper here
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-understanding-the-impact-on-bame-communities
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Extracted from page 13 of the government report, which states that social conditions have a direct effect on Covid susceptibility for BAME groups... (unless ‘can be’, ‘suggests that’, ‘are more likely to’, ‘may mean that’ are not regarded as evidential statements)...

“The risks associated with COVID-19 transmission, morbidity, and mortality can be exacerbated by the housing challenges faced by some members of BAME groups.

The most recent research from the UK suggests that both ethnicity and income inequality are independently associated with COVID-19 mortality.

Individuals from BAME groups are more likely to work in occupations with a higher risk of COVID-19 exposure. They are more likely to use public transportation to travel to their essential work.

Historic negative experiences of healthcare or at work may mean that individuals in BAME groups are less likely to seek care when needed or as NHS staff less likely to speak up when they have concerns about PPE or testing.”
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Extracted from page 13 of the government report, which states that social conditions have a direct effect on Covid susceptibility for BAME groups... (unless ‘can be’, ‘suggests that’, ‘are more likely to’, ‘may mean that’ are not regarded as evidential statements)...

“The risks associated with COVID-19 transmission, morbidity, and mortality can be exacerbated by the housing challenges faced by some members of BAME groups.

The most recent research from the UK suggests that both ethnicity and income inequality are independently associated with COVID-19 mortality.

Individuals from BAME groups are more likely to work in occupations with a higher risk of COVID-19 exposure. They are more likely to use public transportation to travel to their essential work.

Historic negative experiences of healthcare or at work may mean that individuals in BAME groups are less likely to seek care when needed or as NHS staff less likely to speak up when they have concerns about PPE or testing.”
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Yes I thought that was what was said
 
FedoraExplorer said:
I'm confused. If you've been kicked off, how come you are still posting?
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Quite simple really. If you dont understand How this site works give it time, or are you being pedantic like your mate mex ? Otherwise your post is gash.
 
Scaramanga said:
Quite simple really. If you dont understand How this site works give it time, or are you being pedantic like your mate mex ? Otherwise your post is gash.
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So it was all bollocks when you posted on the other half that you weren’t doing politics anymore?
 
The main link between Brixton and Notting Hill is that a large percentage of the population of both is non white. In my opinion and with no supporting facts the majority of the non white population of London has not taken this pandemic as seriously as others.
 
Johnno said:
So it was all bollocks when you posted on the other half that you weren’t doing politics anymore?
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Didn’t say I wasn’t doing politics. Said it should be taken down and should be football only. I stand by that but while there’s plebs like you I can’t help myself. You see the venomous divisiveness right there.
 
catinstalbans said:
That would be pompous I presume.
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Sorry teach it was my spell checker honest! 😉
Scaramanga said:
Careful Brett, I got kicked off here fir calling mex negative. The mods won’t be happy.
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Thanks Sc, you are right. He and his one mate on here are anti everything and I haven't seen much mention of BFC from them either, so I assume they've no interest in the real purpose of this site!
 
catinstalbans said:
It's a teacher's job though, along with educating the ignorant, being persistent when faced with negative attitudes and upholding and defending moral values from prejudice.😉
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Cat: A good teacher would never be so pompas about a minor typo.
In your post to Recid you continue to write insults, which are clearly aimed at me and are totally inaccurate.
Return to the initial criticism you presented about me with regards to BLM, which you wrongly interpreted to create a meaningless issue 😇
Persistence is a virtue; however, your posts have shown bad form all round.
 
Recidivist3 said:
Your spelling is improving
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Rec: I mayk owne typoo and yoo jump on Cat's bandwagan. I cud go throogh all yoor posts and I wud find errers, but that wood be stuping to yor level and I wont do that.
Yoor the onlie posta to bak up his inakurate coments, wich speeks volyumes!
I come on AVFTT to read about BFC and those who post the same are a nicer class of person.
 
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