Burnley fans not happy with their own fans

Yorkshire Claret said:
I’m not excusing either set of fans’ behaviour. I did think though that the stewarding and policing could have been better.

The goading before the game, across both sides of the netting between the home and away stands, was allowed to just carry on.

From my position towards the half way line, all I could see was ‘pool fans congregated in the bottom corner, making no attempt to make their way to their seats, shouting, swearing and gesturing.

This wasn’t just for a few seconds, it was going on for perhaps fifteen minutes or more with stewards and Police doing nothing.

I’m under no illusion that the same wasn’t happening from our fans - I just couldn’t see it from my position.

The longer that these sort of things are allowed to carry on unabated, with little or no intervention from stewards or Police, the greater the hostility on both sides becomes.

I’m all for tolerant and friendly stewarding / policing, but sometimes, and I think that yesterday was a good example, a firmer approach is needed.

It’s a fine line of course - the last thing I want to see is a return to the days when all fans were treated as hooligans, which itself creates issues.

A powder keg was allowed to develop yesterday. It was sadly predictable that there would be issues after the game.

The idiots need to be stopped, somehow, before things descend back to the dark days of the seventies and eighties.

There were far too many of our fans who had obviously been ‘on it’, whatever that may have been, for way too long. I suspect the same could be said for some of your fans too.

Imagine wanting to go to watch a game of football, enjoy a few drinks and a good time with friends, without it needing to spill over into threatening and violent behaviour.

It’s not much to expect but it seems an impossible aim with some of the troglodytes we see at football matches.
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Amen👍🏻
 
Mcewans Mullet said:
2000 extra tickets at £29 a pop = £58k to the club for every game they allocate to away fans to fill up the East.
I know every penny counts but until the new East is built, we should be limiting away fans to the south half of that stand.
Not only does it make it (hopefully) more manageable for plod and the stewards it will allow some control on them leaving the ground by 1 entrance - the north end, if plod aren't going to keep them in.
I have no idea why they won't keep them in, it happens to us every time we visit Deepdung and it does allow time for home fans to get away.
I know the events of last night happened well after the match had finished but there was some trouble outside the south immediately after the game.
At Brighton they put the tv's on and opened the bar to encourage to hang around until the crowds for the trains had lessened, any reason why we can't do that for away fans at Bloomers?
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I wonder how much the extra stewarding and policing costs for the increased away allocation.
AllezBlackpool said:
Colne is lovely
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The road out of it is! 😉
 
Visiting Bolton fan. Only just became aware of what happened yesterday via the BBC. Let's hope the Blackpool lad in hospital pulls through.

I know there's a horrible history of trouble between Bolton and Blackpool but from the 1990s onwards I thought we'd put the worst of this behind us (both at Bolton and wider). It seems to be back with a vengeance. Things had started going backwards before the pandemic but since the grounds opened up to fans again that decline in the extent of poor behaviour has undoubtedly accelerated.

Best wishes.
 
Albert Ross said:
It wasn’t news, it was a social media version of Chinese whispers. No one should post anything of so serious a nature until it is officially confirmed there has been a fatality. Until then it’s just rumour and tittle tattle.
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Listen mate. It's a mistake, so don't go down this road please 👍
 
Fields-Of-Gold said:
Listen mate. It's a mistake, so don't go down this road please 👍
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I’m sure you realised it was a mistake and I’m not having a go. But I’m sure you realise things like this are extremely upsetting to the family at an already very stressful time. I know you didn’t post the rumour but please , in future, think before posting.👍
 
Tangman74 said:
Lots of threads on Burnley’s forum about their disgraceful fans - Burnley complaining about their own fans , many of whom were high , absolutely hammered , smacked up….we’re a massive negative on the club …..many of them clearly scum
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Claret fan here in peace………first and foremost hope the bloke and his family get through this - above all else that’s what matters right now. We’ve seen this week the incident at Sheff U with the older Spurs fan……..there’s a problem………you can see with the responses on our own fans site how appalled the majority are……………..please don’t associate all Clarets with this……….Thoughts are for a total and speedy recovery for the individual involved.
 
Jimmymaccer said:
Claret fan here in peace………first and foremost hope the bloke and his family get through this - above all else that’s what matters right now. We’ve seen this week the incident at Sheff U with the older Spurs fan……..there’s a problem………you can see with the responses on our own fans site how appalled the majority are……………..please don’t associate all Clarets with this……….Thoughts are for a total and speedy recovery for the individual involved.
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Hi Jimmy
Thanks for the message . It’s rife in all football clubs - certainly not tarnishing all clarets with the same brush . There will always be this element in football , just gone a bit far this time .
Enjoyed the match in Saturday - and the banter was great - but that’s where it should stop . Let’s have the banter , that football - not what happened after !!

Congrats on an amazing season , hopefully we will see you in the championship season 24/25 😊
 
Rovers fan here - fingers crossed the lad pulls through.

There's now talk of giving them the minimum required 2k In the Upper Tier when they come to our place next month. Reading this thread alone justifies that, particularly as they no longer have compulsory coach travel.
 
Ben_BRFC said:
Rovers fan here - fingers crossed the lad pulls through.

There's now talk of giving them the minimum required 2k In the Upper Tier when they come to our place next month. Reading this thread alone justifies that, particularly as they no longer have compulsory coach travel.
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The risk now is it’s an evening kick off, we could (sorry!) end up as champions and you in the play offs ………….. which should be a celebration but now, the minority have screwed it up again……..don’t get me wrong BRFC, rivalry is fine, but somewhere along the line there’s got to be a stop to this……..why the hell some can’t have bants but still have a beer together still does my head in……..anyway, as I said earlier, thoughts are with this blokes family he pulls through fine.

I’ll back away now from this thread………good luck to both the Tangerines in terms of safety, and let’s see an East Lancs Derby in The Prem.
 
Yorkshire Claret said:
I’m not excusing either set of fans’ behaviour. I did think though that the stewarding and policing could have been better.

The goading before the game, across both sides of the netting between the home and away stands, was allowed to just carry on.

From my position towards the half way line, all I could see was ‘pool fans congregated in the bottom corner, making no attempt to make their way to their seats, shouting, swearing and gesturing.

This wasn’t just for a few seconds, it was going on for perhaps fifteen minutes or more with stewards and Police doing nothing.

I’m under no illusion that the same wasn’t happening from our fans - I just couldn’t see it from my position.

The longer that these sort of things are allowed to carry on unabated, with little or no intervention from stewards or Police, the greater the hostility on both sides becomes.

I’m all for tolerant and friendly stewarding / policing, but sometimes, and I think that yesterday was a good example, a firmer approach is needed.

It’s a fine line of course - the last thing I want to see is a return to the days when all fans were treated as hooligans, which itself creates issues.

A powder keg was allowed to develop yesterday. It was sadly predictable that there would be issues after the game.

The idiots need to be stopped, somehow, before things descend back to the dark days of the seventies and eighties.

There were far too many of our fans who had obviously been ‘on it’, whatever that may have been, for way too long. I suspect the same could be said for some of your fans too.

Imagine wanting to go to watch a game of football, enjoy a few drinks and a good time with friends, without it needing to spill over into threatening and violent behaviour.

It’s not much to expect but it seems an impossible aim with some of the troglodytes we see at football matches.
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To be fair at yours the gap is minimal
 
Ben_BRFC said:
Rovers fan here - fingers crossed the lad pulls through.

There's now talk of giving them the minimum required 2k In the Upper Tier when they come to our place next month. Reading this thread alone justifies that, particularly as they no longer have compulsory coach travel.
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To be honest, I would give Burnley what they gave you; just over 2k.

I wish we hadn't given them 3.5k
 
Albert Ross said:
I’m sure you realised it was a mistake and I’m not having a go. But I’m sure you realise things like this are extremely upsetting to the family at an already very stressful time. I know you didn’t post the rumour but please , in future, think before posting.👍
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It wasn't me. I was making the point only.
 
That Tony had passed came straight from one of his best mates who had been in contact with his family all night, it was relayed to me in a phone call from someone who had just got off the phone with said best mate, only he will ever know why he told us that news!! We have all known each other for over 30 years so nobody was going out of their way to seek attention etc, I'm not on Facebook but that's where it was first posted apparently and by one of his best pals. I won't comment on here again about anything re Tony.
 
Trammo said:
Was late 60's I remember 68/69 acid getting thrown on the Kop by away fans v Rovers and a policeman getting some in the face as well as some Pool fans getting it on them.
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It was ammonia rather than acid I think , nevertheless, my friend ended up in hospital after getting a face full . Thankfully it missed me but not by much .
 
AllezBlackpool said:
Colne is lovely
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I worked in Earby near Colne and the Pork Pies from the bakers in town were best i had ever had we used to send someone from work there for them when just out of the oven around 10 am (try it next time you go there)other than that its a dead hole with nothing to get excited about 🤣 .
 
Gynn & Tonic said:
Not too sure what else the police could have done about an isolated incident two hours after the match though? If the Manchester is designated as an away pub it will have had a significant police presence throughout the day, so surely there's an understanding that home fans don't go there on Derby days? Why not just stay in The Armfield?
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Absolutely terrible.

However, I too just don't understand why someone should be in the Armfield, and then go past the Manchester a couple of hours later.

I presume he was just an innocent bystander.
 
Quick look on Facebook and plenty of Burnley fans are trying to spread the idea Blackpool went in there tooled up and this is the result.
 
Yorkshire Claret said:
I’m not excusing either set of fans’ behaviour. I did think though that the stewarding and policing could have been better.

The goading before the game, across both sides of the netting between the home and away stands, was allowed to just carry on.

From my position towards the half way line, all I could see was ‘pool fans congregated in the bottom corner, making no attempt to make their way to their seats, shouting, swearing and gesturing.

This wasn’t just for a few seconds, it was going on for perhaps fifteen minutes or more with stewards and Police doing nothing.

I’m under no illusion that the same wasn’t happening from our fans - I just couldn’t see it from my position.

The longer that these sort of things are allowed to carry on unabated, with little or no intervention from stewards or Police, the greater the hostility on both sides becomes.

I’m all for tolerant and friendly stewarding / policing, but sometimes, and I think that yesterday was a good example, a firmer approach is needed.

It’s a fine line of course - the last thing I want to see is a return to the days when all fans were treated as hooligans, which itself creates issues.

A powder keg was allowed to develop yesterday. It was sadly predictable that there would be issues after the game.

The idiots need to be stopped, somehow, before things descend back to the dark days of the seventies and eighties.

There were far too many of our fans who had obviously been ‘on it’, whatever that may have been, for way too long. I suspect the same could be said for some of your fans too.

Imagine wanting to go to watch a game of football, enjoy a few drinks and a good time with friends, without it needing to spill over into threatening and violent behaviour.

It’s not much to expect but it seems an impossible aim with some of the troglodytes we see at football matches.
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I don't know what you expect the police and stewards to do ,but shouting on a loud hailer is not going to do anything and you can't go into a crowd and tell them to sit down and shut up. From my past job ,it sounds like the police did the right thing by keeping them seperated and let them shout.
 
It is often too easy to blame the police and the stewards for the action of these half wits who are hell bent on looking for trouble and not one iota of interest in the game.
Lets say there was a hardcore (and I use that term loosely) group of 30 who refused point blank to return to their seats when asked by either the police or the stewards.
So the stewards go in amongst them and try to usher them back, next thing all hell breaks loose because other supporters join in and have a go at the stewards which then requires the police to intervene.
If all the hardcore 30 are arrested it would require 2 people (sometimes more) to get just one out of the ground which in turn depletes the numbers of police and stewards available to deal with the rest of the idiots.
Stewarding and policing football matches is a thankless task and if people think they can do better then why not sign up to be a steward, and that isn’t a reference to you Yorkshire!
You mention the dark days of the 70’s and 80’s but the thing is football hooliganism has not gone away it is simply not publicised nowhere near as much as it was back then.
As regarding dealing with the thugs heavy handedly on occasions can you imagine the uproar if the police charged in with batons to sort the situation out. There will always be some innocent bystander who gets dragged in.
 
Trammo said:
Was late 60's I remember 68/69 acid getting thrown on the Kop by away fans v Rovers and a policeman getting some in the face as well as some Pool fans getting it on them.
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I was on the Kop that Rovers game, they were squeezing those old plastic fairy liquid bottles full of ammonia at us, quite a few got sprayed, we were fortunate enough to dodge it!
 
Levi501 said:
I was on the Kop that Rovers game, they were squeezing those old plastic fairy liquid bottles full of ammonia at us, quite a few got sprayed, we were fortunate enough to dodge it!
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I was at Junior school with the son of the copper who was hit by a firework. I think he lost an eye.
 
Davepick said:
Surely you're not really believing the 'Inter breeding' story?
Load of crap.
We lived in Barlick (Barnoldswick) for some time in the early 2000s.
Got on well with most people who would do anything for you.
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And I lived in Accrington and Burnley, worked all over Blackburn,Pendle and Rossendale. Some here have zero idea of what the people are like in East Lancs.
 
Levi501 said:
I was on the Kop that Rovers game, they were squeezing those old plastic fairy liquid bottles full of ammonia at us, quite a few got sprayed, we were fortunate enough to dodge it!
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Me too as an 11 yr old. I remember games against Rovers for a few years after where their fans always chanted ‘ammonia'
 
Born and bred in Burnley and visited most of the surrounding areas and there are plenty of decent folk over there,unfortunately they have a minority (as we have on the Fylde Coast) intent on causing trouble.
 
OneStepBeyond said:
This moment should encourage the likes of the Muckers to put an end to this kind of behaviour, but it won't.
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Hopefully this sad incident is used for people to think and learn, it's all well and good each set of fans trying to bash the other side up, until someone is seriously or fatally hurt, lives are ruined and you have no idea if and when that'll happen.

Yes have banter, but football fans should be able to have a bit of a laugh about the game, not turn up at each others stadiums, pubs etc and try and cause mindless damage or be violent, or even at games launching things.

The problem is boozed up and more fans mocking each other turns violent so easily, many just can't take it and have to resort to violence.

Also the rivalries are taken too far. You get one side calling an other only a matter of miles away absolute scum, using silly stereotypes to judge thousands of people, when in reality there's usually not a lot of difference, just a big bias and lack of perspective often.

I bet if lads that fight met on holiday with no idea of who supported who, just watching England together they'd be getting on.

Yes support your team and your own, but mindless tribal violence is daft.

I have some good banter and discussion at work etc with nobbers.

However a trip over to pne online and you see it again, we're often just all lying scumbags apparently according to some on there 🙄 and theres some real classless things posted on there about this. They claim to be the gentry....

I have seen the video, not many people will have I'd imagine as its an obscure twitter video that shouldn't be posted for obvious reasons, I'm sure when the time is right the wider incident will be addressed further.
 
Davepick said:
No one can help their accent. It's where you grew up.
One can, of course, make it less rural but it takes time. and effort.
I've lived outside the area for probably 40 years, now back of course.. Fortunately there's still some Blackpool in there somewhere.
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Moved to Blackpool in September 1968 from Padiham (3 miles from Burnley) as an 8 year old, but sand grown 'uns can STILL tell I'm not originally from Blackpool...and it's not the extra finger! 🤔😂
 
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