100% right for me.Mandatory to have had the jabs if you're in a front line role.
Apparently around 83% have had the necessary jabs.
16 weeks to get the jabs or change roles.
Quite right too, for those looking after vulnerable groups, or totalitarian state gone mad?
It's no different than doctors having the Hepatitis jab. Patient rights coming before the staff's.Not entirely clear of my own view on this.
Care Home workers are generally poorly paid, and most care homes have staff shortages. Also, it is important to have vulnerable people ( in a social sense) with those around them reflecting their community. Binning staff because they do not have a medical treatment may actually lead to further problems. It is basically saying that the care home residents need over rides any staff rights.
If I was the Health Secretary, I would be asking why certain groups of our citizens are so afraid / misinformed / concerned about the vaccine, and putting some of the Billions wasted on Track and Trace to better educational use. persuade staff and the communities it is a good thing, rather than threaten their livelihood.
BTW, I write this with a very close relative in a care home for the last three years, and we have lived though the nightmare of the last 16 months waiting for phone calls, so it is real for us.
The reason I am not convinced by that argument is that Matt Hancock used that line !!!!! Why is it not compulsory for medical staff to have the flu vaccine, HPV, MMR, etc?twIt's no different than doctors having the Hepatitis jab. Patient rights coming before the staff's.
How far do you go with that? As a retail worker, should my employer be insisting on my colleagues all being vaccinated?Basic Health And Safety. The care home has to do everything reasonable and practicable to protect it's workers, the residents of their home and anybody else who could be affected by their lack of control if it were the case.
Isn’t that the case for all employers?Basic Health And Safety. The care home has to do everything reasonable and practicable to protect it's workers, the residents of their home and anybody else who could be affected by their lack of control if it were the case.
NHS staff need to have the Hep jabs if they work in a department that is at risk.It's no different than doctors having the Hepatitis jab. Patient rights coming before the staff's.
I genuinely think it all ends when children start dying from having vaccines they never needed.I just don’t agree that this is mandatory I’m afraid. The vaccine mostly protects you from infection. Where will this shite end.
People keep saying the vaccines are safe...but that's not true. People are dying from being vaccinated. I know its low amounts but I can't envision a free society where people are forced to have a medicine that could kill them if they are unlucky to protect them against something due to age and health they are in no danger from
If the residents are all vaccinated the staff don't need to be if they choose not to
And no one is saying these will be. Not put in front line roles is the instruction.NHS staff need to have the Hep jabs if they work in a department that is at risk.
If they don’t want the jab, they don’t apply to work in those departments.
They don’t get fired.
They're not being vaccinated for their own protection, it's to protect the old and vulnerable under their care who are high risk.Very, very few fatalities among the young and healthy from the vaccine.
Very, very few fatalities among the young and healthy from the virus.
Should young and healthy people be forced to be vaccinated ? Of course not.
Should young and healthy people employed in the safe care of the old and vulnerable be forced to be vaccinated ? I'm not sure.
They're not being vaccinated for their own protection, it's to protect the old and vulnerable under their care who are high risk.
I don't have a view to be honest, but it seems sensible for those directly dealing with the old and vulnerable to reduce the risk of transmission as much as possible. Some dementia sufferers I know have struggled with people in masks as it reduces their ability to recognise the individuals caring for them which can exacerbate anxieties.Wiz
I am perfectly aware of that.
I also have no problem if you are insisting that those working in care should be forced to vaccinate.
I can't speak for you but I'd imagine that you are not suggesting that they should be forced to vaccinate AND be forced to stay in such employment.
With possible problems around recruitment and retention of staff, it might be an idea to consider the implications of mandatory vaccination of the young and healthy in such positions - that says consider the implications nothing else.
Just to be clear though, I understand your views on the matter and personally I have no problem with them and I won't be chaining myself to any railings in support or protest, no matter what is decided.
I don't have a view to be honest, but it seems sensible for those directly dealing with the old and vulnerable to reduce the risk of transmission as much as possible. Some dementia sufferers I know have struggled with people in masks as it reduces their ability to recognise the individuals caring for them which can exacerbate anxieties.
Mandatory does seem to be a sledgehammer to break a nut, but if that's the only way to really help the patients then so be it.
If the residents are all vaccinated the staff don't need to be if they choose not to
There are no non- front line roles for care assistants.And no one is saying these will be. Not put in front line roles is the instruction.
I don't have a view to be honest, but it seems sensible for those directly dealing with the old and vulnerable to reduce the risk of transmission as much as possible. Some dementia sufferers I know have struggled with people in masks as it reduces their ability to recognise the individuals caring for them which can exacerbate anxieties.
Mandatory does seem to be a sledgehammer to break a nut, but if that's the only way to really help the patients then so be it.
We may be at cross purposes here, mate, but I’m thinking of care workers at, say, a medium sized private care home, as the vast majority are.There are other roles within the care sector that don't directly involve dealing with the old and vulnerable
True enough. The size of the place will impact hugely.We may be at cross purposes here, mate, but I’m thinking of care workers at, say, a medium sized private care home, as the vast majority are.
It’s very rare nowadays for them to have a dedicated laundry worker, for example, the care assistants do it in their ‘spare’ time, so if 3 or 4 care assistants don’t want the jab, which non- vulnerable facing positions can you imagine them being slipped into?
I have no arguments with that.It could be made a compulsory part of the 'Job Description' for future applicants for these jobs.
“ In a survey of about 1,000 of its carers, the GMB said, more than a third indicated they would quit their jobs if vaccines were mandated.”I’d be very interested in what their unions have to say about it, considering it just applies to care homes and not hospitals?
Also social care...going in and out of different service users homes.I’d be very interested in what their unions have to say about it, considering it just applies to care homes and not hospitals?
My understanding too is that if the employer doesn’t have a role to redeploy them to then they will lose their jobs.There are no non- front line roles for care assistants.
Unionised labour in small care homes with staff on minimum wage and part time will be non existent.I’d be very interested in what their unions have to say about it, considering it just applies to care homes and not hospitals?
It’s probably not widespread, but at the one my daughter is assistant manager at, there are 15 staff to cover days and nights, and two (my daughter one) are in a union.Unionised labour in small care homes with staff on minimum wage and part time will be non existent.
Maybe they were just a bit ashamed because they had caused all those deaths by instituting a policy of sending infected patients into the care homes in the first place?Given all the deaths we had in care homes earlier in the pandemic I’am just surprised the Government didn’t bring the ruling in earlier.
MrsDP was on the phone to our friends in France this a.m.
They said that they didn't have to wear their masks from now on.
Is it really necessary to wear our masks now?
Any thoughts on this?
I'm not convinced by the public wearing masks. The virus particle is a lot smaller than the holes in the masks (unless they are medical grade) I see multiple examples everyday where people don't even cover their nostrils and hardly wear them properly, one mask worn for weeks. It's all a bit part gesture.Over 10,000 cases for the last couple of days, up from 3,000 at the start of the month, hospital numbers starting to tick up a bit too.