Carey / Trippier

I did think (and got pelters for it) that Carey’s was a red. But it was no worse - and in a similar position - to Trippier’s. If he’s got off, so should Sonny.
 
Totally agree but they'll support the ref at Burnley and bot give Carey a chance - as for the Burnley thug , he should get more than a red

The inconsisterncy of the officialdom and the justice authorities is there to be seen - one rule for one and one for us

I also think Trippier's looked far more blatant than Carey's ie he was in no doubt he was going to take out De Bruner and never ever consider a jot for the ball - Carey's not disimilar but not as bad imo
 
Almost identical fouls and situations, and both the ref and VAR ref reviewed several slow motions and deemed it a yellow.

That's because it is a yellow. It isn't and never has been a red card offence to bring someone down to stop a counter attack, unless they're the last defender.
 
No you are all too biased to make a balanced judgement. Trippier`s was just a deliberate trip but not a dangerous or violent tackle ,Carey`s was far more out of control and thus dangerous.
 
No you are all too biased to make a balanced judgement. Trippier`s was just a deliberate trip but not a dangerous or violent tackle ,Carey`s was far more out of control and thus dangerous.
If anything Trippier left the ground with both feet. They're very similar incidents. Carey's red card should be overturned with almost no discussion.
 
If anything Trippier left the ground with both feet. They're very similar incidents. Carey's red card should be overturned with almost no discussion.

No Carey deliberately and cynically kicked him rather than just tripped him which is why Matson foolishly reacted so furiously. A trip would not have led to such a response.

When you watch the repeat of Trippier`s tackle carefully it is clear that it was aimed purely as a trip which is why I totally agreed with VAR the commentators and ultimately the ref`s revised decision.
 
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No Carey deliberately and cynically kicked him rather than just tripped him which is why Matson foolishly reacted so furiously. A trip would not have led to such a response.
How are you coming up with this? More to the point, why? We've all seen the incidents. I've just watched them again. They're almost identical.
 
How are you coming up with this? More to the point, why? We've all seen the incidents. I've just watched them again. They're almost identical.

I can only repeat that if you view these two incidents without Tangerine specs Trippier`s as all involved finally confirmed after more careful scrutiny was clearly just a trip which was obviously why the ref rightly changed his mind.. Carey`s was clearly worse and more dangerous than that hence Matson`s response.

If after watching them both again you still can`t spot the difference between the two we will just have to agree to differ.
 
No Carey deliberately and cynically kicked him rather than just tripped him which is why Matson foolishly reacted so furiously. A trip would not have led to such a response.

When you watch the repeat of Trippier`s tackle carefully it is clear that it was aimed purely as a trip which is why I totally agreed with VAR the commentators and ultimately the ref`s revised decision.
He reacted as he did because his team had gone from 3 1 up to 3 3 and he was utterly frustrated. Context.
 
I was somewhat shocked when I saw the red brandished to Carey. Never thought it was a red but Maatsons a definate red if not more. Then I saw the trippier one yesterday and thought it was more or less the same as Carey’s and only a yellow card( rightly so) Carey’s should be rescinded to a yellow but knowing the fa and efl what’s betting it doesn’t get rescinded
I can’t ever remember Keith Stroud having a good game when refereeing Blackpool games.
My question is if it doesn’t get rescinded will it be a one or three match ban ?
 
I was somewhat shocked when I saw the red brandished to Carey. Never thought it was a red but Maatsons a definate red if not more. Then I saw the trippier one yesterday and thought it was more or less the same as Carey’s and only a yellow card( rightly so) Carey’s should be rescinded to a yellow but knowing the fa and efl what’s betting it doesn’t get rescinded
I can’t ever remember Keith Stroud having a good game when refereeing Blackpool games.
My question is if it doesn’t get rescinded will it be a one or three match ban ?
3 for serious foul play
 
This thread once again demonstrates just how many but certainly not all football fans find it very difficult to view any incidents involving their own team with balance and impartiality.
 
Different game although the result was the same. Carey played the man and took.one for the team. A 3 game ban, no appeal because invariable the suspension and fine are increased. I have no qualms with it.
 
This thread once again demonstrates just how many but certainly not all football fans find it very difficult to view any incidents involving their own team with balance and impartiality.
I’m not a Blackpool fan and it’s never a red card. It’s clearly a trip.
 
I think it was a yellow,. no worse and no trippier than Trippier's (who confessed on camera to deliberately bringing the player down), but I also think it was an unnecessary challenge. Maatsen was heading for the touch line, not far out of their penalty area, miles away from our goal. I realise Carey was caught up in the madness, but it wasn't a necessary challenge in my view.
 
I’m not a Blackpool fan and it’s never a red card. It’s clearly a trip.
Well the game is all about opinions but the ref and the TV commentators who also aren`t Blackpool fans and I who definitely am, had no doubts it was more than just a mere trip more of an out of control thus dangerously high tackle. Maatsen actually jumped quite high but Carey raised his right foot quite high with studs showing to ensure he got his man which was why Maatsen was foolishly so angry and so they both had to be red cards but as I said above its all about varying opinions. It would be very dull if we all agreed.

Trippier`s was quite high but much more gentle with just a flick of the outside of the boot to cause the trip, nowhere near his studs in that case.
 
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This thread once again demonstrates just how many but certainly not all football fans find it very difficult to view any incidents involving their own team with balance and impartiality.
That's the joy of football. But all fans know it should only have been a yellow ;) When walking back to the car, we got chatting to a Dingle (normal number of fingers and able to communicate) and he said "Maatsen wora tool, tha' lad wa unlooky tu tak a red tho" (conversation slighly hammed-up)
 
I’d say yellow, was given red because he had to send Maatsen off. However even if the FA don’t agree, surely should be reduced to one match for a professional foul, it’s impressive if Carey displayed excessive force while hardly breaking stride.
 
My personal feelings on the Carey tackle was that it was deliberate and reckless. Debatable whether or not it was dangerous. Red seemed obvious to me, but I've not seen the Trippier incident. If they were similar in nature though the EFL would be obliged to rescind wouldn't they? However controversial or just plain daft the rules might be, lack of consistency compromises any integrity the system might have.
 
My personal feelings on the Carey tackle was that it was deliberate and reckless. Debatable whether or not it was dangerous. Red seemed obvious to me, but I've not seen the Trippier incident. If they were similar in nature though the EFL would be obliged to rescind wouldn't they? However controversial or just plain daft the rules might be, lack of consistency compromises any integrity the system might have.
Although they are two different leagues run by different bodies.
 
My personal feelings on the Carey tackle was that it was deliberate and reckless. Debatable whether or not it was dangerous. Red seemed obvious to me, but I've not seen the Trippier incident. If they were similar in nature though the EFL would be obliged to rescind wouldn't they? However controversial or just plain daft the rules might be, lack of consistency compromises any integrity the system might have.
Lack of consistency is routine though. I didn't think Carey was reckless, but my belief is that if you decide to bring somebody down you have to accept that you give the ref a decision to make and you have to accept whatever decision that is. People are split on whether it was red or yellow. The ref chose red. I think it'll stay red because its not a crystal clear mistake. It's about interpretation. The issue will be the length of ban. One game or three. It's Blackpool, so expect three!
 
The only difference here is VAR.... both fouls are pretty much the same, committed for the same reason in a similar area of the pitch. Both referees made the same decision, a red card.
 
That's shit but its what they do innit. 3 matches is just plain wrong in my opinion. Same as Maatsen no doubt. Laughable.

Whatever the merits or otherwise of the decision, the reality is that we're down to the bare bones in midfield, and there is a conundrum here in terms of whether we stick or twist. We may decide to gamble on what we have left, on the basis that players will return in several weeks time, or to allow for one or two additions, injured players may be left out of the squad altogether until January given the timing of the World Cup. It looks like a bit of a juggling act to me.
 
Whatever the merits or otherwise of the decision, the reality is that we're down to the bare bones in midfield, and there is a conundrum here in terms of whether we stick or twist. We may decide to gamble on what we have left, on the basis that players will return in several weeks time, or to allow for one or two additions, injured players may be left out of the squad altogether until January given the timing of the World Cup. It looks like a bit of a juggling act to me.
Did you mean to reply to a different post?

But is it a conundrum? Dont we just use the players we have and carry on with recruitment. As we were?
 
Did you mean to reply to a different post?

But is it a conundrum?
Dont think so - its the decision about Carey's red card and where that now leaves us. Seems like a conundrum to me but only because there aren't too many rumours around signings in midfield. Assuming that one or two do come in, the conundrum then is who to leave out of the squad. Virtue perhaps and even Keshi, given that he is a long-term absentee? Also what about Fiorini - if he is out until the end of October, he might not be available until after the World Cup?
 
Dont think so - its the decision about Carey's red card and where that now leaves us. Seems like a conundrum to me but only because there aren't too many rumours around signings in midfield. Assuming that one or two do come in, the conundrum then is who to leave out of the squad. Virtue perhaps and even Keshi, given that he is a long-term absentee? Also what about Fiorini - if he is out until the end of October, he might not be available until after the World Cup?
8 weeks takes Fiorini to about 11th Oct and we play up to 12th November.

I think we have to plan pretty much for the squad that we want to have. We probably need another defender. I'd leave Garbutt out myself. Think another striker will come in.

The decisions are about which midfielders to include. I think Patino and Fiorini will be included. Probably Stewart too cos when fit he's in the side. I'm not sure if Virtue will make the cut, MA sounds like he won't play him much.

Grim Max Moore
Gab Conn Husb Thom Marv Rhys Thorn NEW
Doug Stew Pat Fio Kesh Corb CJ NEW NEW
Gaz Jez Bees Lav NEW

Approximately.
 
8 weeks takes Fiorini to about 11th Oct and we play up to 12th November.

I think we have to plan pretty much for the squad that we want to have. We probably need another defender. I'd leave Garbutt out myself. Think another striker will come in.

The decisions are about which midfielders to include. I think Patino and Fiorini will be included. Probably Stewart too cos when fit he's in the side. I'm not sure if Virtue will make the cut, MA sounds like he won't play him much.

Grim Max Moore
Gab Conn Husb Thom Marv Rhys Thorn NEW
Doug Stew Pat Fio Kesh Corb CJ NEW NEW
Gaz Jez Bees Lav NEW

Approximately.
Thanks for putting this into context - I'm starting to see now where the club might go with this over the next week or so. Midfield definitely looks threadbare at the moment, so at least one of the "NEW NEW" ought to be in time for Saturday I guess. Also, If clubs are genuinely serious about signing Bowler, they probably need to sign him in advance of the next 2 fixtures to avoid the risk of injury, which should in theory allow us the time to bring in his replacement - Scully and/or Rogers maybe? Thanks again.
 
Thanks for putting this into context - I'm starting to see now where the club might go with this over the next week or so. Midfield definitely looks threadbare at the moment, so at least one of the "NEW NEW" ought to be in time for Saturday I guess. Also, If clubs are genuinely serious about signing Bowler, they probably need to sign him in advance of the next 2 fixtures to avoid the risk of injury, which should in theory allow us the time to bring in his replacement - Scully and/or Rogers maybe? Thanks again.
My squad thing was rushed, it need looking at in terms if 433 and who play DM, AM, and left, right and central attack.

DM Dougall Stewart NEW
AM Fio Patino NEW
RA Corb Lav Josh/NEW
CA Gaz Beesley Yates
LA CJ Keshi

Roughly speaking.

What's our best front 3? Is it good enough?
 
Anyone managed to do a frame by frame .. probably one on Twitter somewhere but have yet to see it in frame by fame slo-mo.
 
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