Carey

Weird one that , unless the rules have changed I can't see how it's a red. He tripped him, studs weren't up, no real force or impact in the player he was just propelled forward by his own velocity. My understanding was always that's only a red if you're last man.

The Burnley reaction I thought was bizarre, maybe cause they're used to PL reffing? But Kompany after the game was talking like Carey karate kicked him in the torso.

Hopefully gets overturned, last thing Carey needs when he was bound to have some opportunities with the loaners out.
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
ITV4 pundits think it was a red.
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They're just motoring through things that have already happened to fulfil a contractual obligation I think. Not much time for the rent-a-pundit to have his own thoughts either way.

Keith Stroud doing Keith Stroud things I think is what the modern kids would say.

Bugger for Sonny if it stands as I think he was fighting for his team there rather than going into business for himself. He just made the foul, and then Ian Maatsen lost his head and made the moment worse.
 
Having seen it again on ITV4, it didnt look anything like he was "taking one for the team"

The Burnley player was well in his own half, and there were other Blackpool defenders in front of him.

It wasnt anything like the `one-on-one' Thompson incident against Swansea last week, that led to their goal.

And this is coming from me, who was lambasting the referee for sending him off earlier.

Put it this way...I'd be surprised if we appeal.
Let's wait and see.

The Clampet was definitely a straight red though.
They wont be appealing..LOL
 
We can argue all night about this, but, in my opinion, its highly unlikely that the referee's decision, right or wrong, will be overturned on appeal.
Whether SC took one for the team or was treated harshly, I just worry that, unless we invest this week, our already threadbare midfield will cost us dear in the next few weeks
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
Having seen it again on ITV4, it didnt look anything like he was "taking one for the team"

The Burnley player was well in his own half, and there were other Blackpool defenders in front of him.

It wasnt anything like the `one-on-one' Thompson incident against Swansea last week, that led to their goal.

And this is coming from me, who was lambasting the referee for sending him off earlier.

Put it this way...I'd be surprised if we appeal.
Let's wait and see.

The Clampet was definitely a straight red though.
They wont be appealing..LOL
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Yeah we'll just have to see. I'm guessing it costs to appeal so you need a heads up you might win first.

I think SC was just reacting to the possibility that Burnley were about to set off up the other end. In an ideal world for me, as I've posted before, he'd be doing this in league one on loan until January and getting his own learning in about the EFL as he's missed a lot of time so far with injury and Critchley not knowing what to do with him.

Their lad was a proper heads gone moment. You can be pissed off but still not go full bull in a china shop I think.
 
Put it in a different time of the game and part of the pitch as that is what Refs are told to keep in their head when they do training courses:
Carey playing as a 10 and makes that challenge just outside their 18 yard box after 8 mins. A decent ref would have given him a warning.
As FudgeSpoon says, it wont be overturned because the ref will be protected by the system.

Still, it was a fabulous day in MiddleEarth
 
Just watched the sending off incident, multiple times.
Never a red card. As has been said already, wasn't last man, wasn't studs up, wasn't a leg breaker. I reckon the ref probably acted as he did due to the Dingles reaction, thinking it must have been worse than it actually was.
Can't see it being rescinded, the FL will close ranks and back the refs decision. It is little old Blackpool after all.

Fantastic result, fantastic week; long may it continue.
 
Blackpool Are Back! said:
All the radio lancs commentators (including the ex Burnley player) were amazed that Carey received a red.
They all agreed the Burnley Hot Head deserved his though.

The referee bottled it and it even looked for a while he might not send the Burnley player off.
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Good point actually. Would have forgot to say but for this post. Radio Lancs commentary was excellent. Weller too, tbf.
 
Where on earth has this notion that not playing the ball means a red card come from? Have the laws changed?
Carey deliberately stopped a counter attack, which happens in virtually every game at all levels, and is always a yellow pretty much without exception. If it's a red card, then Stoke should've been down to 6 men by half time at Bloomfield Rd last season. They weren't because it isn't a red card offence. It was never a red card in a million years.
I'd be absolutely amazed if that isn't overturned.
 
Dougz said:
Stop it. Never a red, he only got that because Maatsen retaliated. Yellow at best. But we do need a signing now.
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Had another look this morning just in case the sangria did get the better of me, as some on here have suggested. Doesn't get any better I'm afraid. Maybe and just maybe he might have got away with a yellow if the Burnley player hadn't reacted. Nevertheless it was a crude and cynical challenge and its difficult to see where the club go from here. We are now down to the bare bones in midfield. Do the club delve into the market again and if they do, what does that do for the overall balance of the squad when players do become available again. If they stick with what we now have what could that mean for results over the next few weeks? Sorry but what was initially bad luck is now a problem of our own making.
 
Murciaseasider said:
Had another look this morning just in case the sangria did get the better of me, as some on here have suggested. Doesn't get any better I'm afraid. Maybe and just maybe he might have got away with a yellow if the Burnley player hadn't reacted. Nevertheless it was a crude and cynical challenge and its difficult to see where the club go from here. We are now down to the bare bones in midfield. Do the club delve into the market again and if they do, what does that do for the overall balance of the squad when players do become available again. If they stick with what we now have what could that mean for results over the next few weeks? Sorry but what was initially bad luck is now a problem of our own making.
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Well done, you’re in a minority of just you thinking that’s a red card 👍🏼

We’ve needed and tried to sign other midfielders before the injuries so this will carry on.

I think Carey did the right thing legging him up, stopped a breakaway from one of their main threats, we’ve needed to do stuff like this for years.
 
Feels like a one match for Carey and 3 match ban for Maatsen to me. Might get downgraded to yellow but i bet it doesnt.

THE RED CARD​

As we have already stated, a red card means instant dismissal. When it comes to the length of any suspension period, it is dependent on the nature and seriousness of the foul, as follows:
  • For a sending off, after a second yellow in one game, the suspension period is one match.
  • For a so-called professional foul, a player will also receive a one-match ban.
  • If the foul in question is dissent, it will normally be a two-match ban.
  • If we are talking about violent conduct, the punishment is normally a three-match ban.
The above types of fouls, and the length of the bans that go with them, are only given in terms of guidance. Each foul must be reviewed on its own merits and circumstances, and the suspension award decided upon can be longer or shorter.
 
I think if the Burnley lad doesn’t react like a total prima donna, the ref would have booked Carey as that sort of cynical foul in that part of the pitch usually results in a yellow. Unfortunately I doubt it will be overturned though, but based on the rules posted above, hopefully only 1 match for a professional foul. It wasn’t dangerous or violent.
 
Serious foul play is deliberately vague. It covers cynical, unsporting fouls which don't come under the violent conduct category. You could argue this foul was cynical and late. The referee obviously thought so and I'm afraid his opinion will be the one that matters and I think the chances of winning an appeal are very slim. What would our grounds for appeal be? This isn't a case of mistaken identity. We wouldn't say that there wasn't any contact or that the referee didn't see the incident properly. Our case would be that we thought the decision was harsh. That isn't really grounds for an appeal.
 
Morty said:
Serious foul play is deliberately vague. It covers cynical, unsporting fouls which don't come under the violent conduct category. You could argue this foul was cynical and late. The referee obviously thought so and I'm afraid his opinion will be the one that matters and I think the chances of winning an appeal are very slim. What would our grounds for appeal be? This isn't a case of mistaken identity. We wouldn't say that there wasn't any contact or that the referee didn't see the incident properly. Our case would be that we thought the decision was harsh. That isn't really grounds for an appeal.
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Of course that’s the appeal.

We think that the red card wasn’t right. It wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity, he just legged someone one up. It’s not a red card.

Do you remember Stoke at home last season? They did the same about 3 times. All yellows.

In that area of the pitch, that type of foul is never ever a red.

That’s the appeal.
 
Personally, I’d welcome all types of those cynical, take one for the team fouls to be more harshly punished, because it’s basically cheating. But the reality is, football has allowed that sort of foul to be treated as a yellow for years. In fact Murcia, you’re living in a country where those fouls are ten a peseta in every game and I bet there’s never a red given for them.

There’ll also be loads of the same through the rest of the season across England and none will result in a red card. That’s the precedent set by ‘football’ so it’s not surprising that the majority feel Carey has been harshly treated.
 
Be bop deluxe said:
Knob
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Sky have produced a still of the incident. Carey isn’t within a yard and a half of the ball. It doesn’t have to be a goal scoring opportunity. It’s serious foul play - a sending off. It’s true that others might have got away with a yellow in other games but on this occasion the Referee got it right.
 
Shocking ref, if the Burnley player hadn't frown a tantrum Carey would have got a yellow
On the other hand the serious foul play on Grabriel by Teller was not even given as a foul
The ref 's next game should be on a Sunday on a local park
 
I’d be amazed if we didn’t appeal the red, with video evidence of multiple similar offences that received a yellow. If we did appeal, it’d be a brace panel to uphold the decision, because it would set a precedent counter to the rules of the game.
 
Watched it about a dozen times now on Sky, and no way is it serious foul play, it’s a deliberate trip, so a yellow. The response was serious foul play, just watch the side angle, and is a red.

Surprised nobody has mentioned how Jimmy and Marv bossed the melee (as Sky call it) - great to see our players getting stuck in and doing that.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I’d be amazed if we didn’t appeal the red, with video evidence of multiple similar offences that received a yellow. If we did appeal, it’d be a brace panel to uphold the decision, because it would set a precedent counter to the rules of the game.
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The multiple similar offences isn't an argument as individual referees have a degree of latitude when it comes to interpreting the laws. Serious foul play is an example of this. A different referee might have given a yellow and class the tackle as a reckless challenge but the referee yesterday chose to give a red presumably as he saw the tackle as serious foul play.

Appeals have to show a clear and obvious error was made in the application of the law. I don't think we'd be able to do this, although I hope I'm wrong. It's worth remembering though to stop clubs appealing every red card suspensions can be increased if the appeal fails. We certainly don't want to put ourselves in that position.
 
Morty said:
The multiple similar offences isn't an argument as individual referees have a degree of latitude when it comes to interpreting the laws. Serious foul play is an example of this. A different referee might have given a yellow and class the tackle as a reckless challenge but the referee yesterday chose to give a red presumably as he saw the tackle as serious foul play.

Appeals have to show a clear and obvious error was made in the application of the law. I don't think we'd be able to do this, although I hope I'm wrong. It's worth remembering though to stop clubs appealing every red card suspensions can be increased if the appeal fails. We certainly don't want to put ourselves in that position.
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It was a trip, the ref would struggle to justify serious fouls play. Had the lad not reacted, it would have been a yellow. This decision is so out of line that it has to be appealed. Bans will only be increased if the appeal is vexatious.
 
I noticed John Lundstam got a straight red for Rangers for exactly the same thing as what Carey did yesterday
 
How anybody could argue that that was a justified straight red is beyond me. The arguments put forward to support it are not based on the laws of the game.

When I first saw it I honestly did not even think it was a yellow, but looking back at it it probably just about was but not within a country mile of a Red

As Mosser said, it’s highly likely cost us at least a very good chance of winning the game as we were on top at that stage even when it was 11 V 11
The unexpected red for us seem to galvanise their team and we were hanging in at the end

I honestly have no idea how high or low the bar is for appealing red cards but it’s certainly something I’m sure will look at
 
When I first saw it, I thought it was a straight red. No attempt was made for the ball, he stretched to purposefully catch the player and I was glad he did.

Their player made it an easy / soft decision for the ref really.

However, when Chiellini cynically clotheslined Saka in the Euro Final, the commentators were virtually creaming their pants about his ‘experience and guile’ and a red was never under consideration…. Carey’s challenge was no worse.
 
tigger said:
How anybody could argue that that was a justified straight red is beyond me. The arguments put forward to support it are not based on the laws of the game.

When I first saw it I honestly did not even think it was a yellow, but looking back at it it probably just about was but not within a country mile of a Red

As Mosser said, it’s highly likely cost us at least a very good chance of winning the game as we were on top at that stage even when it was 11 V 11
The unexpected red for us seem to galvanise their team and we were hanging in at the end

I honestly have no idea how high or low the bar is for appealing red cards but it’s certainly something I’m sure will look at
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What the law actually states:

"A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

I think paragraph two is the problem. He does come in from the side using one leg with arguably excessive force.

I don't think we will appeal as we have no grounds to do so.
 
In which case virtually every single foul is a straight red. It was a foul yes, yellow possibly, but not a red in a million years
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
When I first saw it, I thought it was a straight red. No attempt was made for the ball, he stretched to purposefully catch the player and I was glad he did.

Their player made it an easy / soft decision for the ref really.

However, when Chiellini cynically clotheslined Saka in the Euro Final, the commentators were virtually creaming their pants about his ‘experience and guile’ and a red was never under consideration…. Carey’s challenge was no worse.
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Great point about that Chiellini Saka incident in the Euro final. It isn't a red card offence, it's a yellow card offence. Neither anywhere near the ball, both deliberately stopping the player getting away, but crucially neither was anywhere near being the last defender.
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