Centre forward needed

in a few posts I've made today regarding our forwards I completely forgot about [the injured] Beesley. Maybe he needs to be given a chance. He's tall and pretty mobile and did score for us last season. Maybe he should be given a chance. As it stands for me, not seen enough of him to say how good or bad he may be.
 
I agree about beesley, but also I think our strikers don’t exactly miss chance after chance, last season I felt we had to work too hard for chances because we tended to move the ball too slowly and didn’t have midfielders pulling the strings. If you feed Yates and Lavery I reckon they’ll score a lot more goals.
 
Gregbfc said:
For me we Need a quality striker
We need more goals next season
As I feel it’s a better championship than last season could be plenty of games won by the odd goal
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Not necessarily when Appleton was with Lincoln his wide men scored more than his number 9 Johnson and Scully for example, it happens with Liverpool.
We need that person who links everything together to play up top on his own in a three Madine or Beesley seem the only two capable of doing that.
 
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(That said, I’d love Simms back and agree he’s the kind of striker that would suit the lone role better than Yates or Lavery.)
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Be interested seeing him Sunday, he was a massive part of our L1 promotion push, he is not just a random name on a message board, and hope a deal could be done
 
poolseasider said:
Not necessarily when Appleton was with Lincoln his wide men scored more than his number 9 Johnson and Scully for example, it happens with Liverpool.
We need that person who links everything together to play up top on his own in a three Madine or Beesley seem the only two capable of doing that.
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I don't think Madine plays the lone striker roll too well.
Either that or the players up front with him aren't quick enough to link up with him
 
I wonder what this season holds for Lavery. He started so brightly for us and looked like a natural goal scorer. Since his injury he looks like he has lost confidence?
 
Graves said:
I wonder what this season holds for Lavery. He started so brightly for us and looked like a natural goal scorer. Since his injury he looks like he has lost confidence?
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I agree that this could be a pivotal season for him. Needs to deliver this year. It might be a confidence thing, but equally I think it’s probably a service thing in that we don’t create enough chances for our strikers. Doesn’t matter how many you have if they don’t get the ball in good positions. There’s a reason Kane is a Prem player; he can create and take chances and we can’t afford that.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I don't think Madine plays the lone striker roll too well.
Either that or the players up front with him aren't quick enough to link up with him
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Beesley apart(not seen enough of him) the other three seem to work better in a two but we've a coach wanting to play 4-3-3.🤷
 
We need a striker in the mould of Malik Wilkes at Hull 24yrs powerfull with pace and expierienced, in a front 3 he would be a big plus
or a similar player with those atributes. Yes I know he would,nt be cheap but at some point we need to bring in a quality striker who
will be an assett to the front three. Lavery & Yates are good players but in this league I'm not convinced they can give you 15/20 goals
a season, & it does depend who is pressing the buttons in midfield.
 
hills98 said:
I agree about beesley, but also I think our strikers don’t exactly miss chance after chance, last season I felt we had to work too hard for chances because we tended to move the ball too slowly and didn’t have midfielders pulling the strings. If you feed Yates and Lavery I reckon they’ll score a lot more goals.
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In a selection order I'd place Beesley 4th - he was always going to be a squad player and not a star IMHO and so to answer the o/p, do we need better than Madine, Lavery and Yates then I'd say yes.
 
Ghost_of_Max said:
In a selection order I'd place Beesley 4th - he was always going to be a squad player and not a star IMHO and so to answer the o/p, do we need better than Madine, Lavery and Yates then I'd say yes.
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Time will tell with beesley, IMO he didn’t look out of his depth and it was a decent step up for him so still a rookie at this level. Football is strange in that a player can look nothing and the next season be a different player (and vice versa, some can lose the plot for various reasons). Maybe apples will get more out of him, or maybe not fancy him at all, guess we’ll find out when he’s back fit, but it won’t have helped him having missed pre-season unfortunately. The catchup is more than just gaining match fitness I think.
 
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I'd really like to see a Yates and Beesley combination, both mobile and could potentially be a decent partnership. Yates would certainly benefit from being given an extended run of games.
I can't honestly see where we are going to find a prolific goal scoring centre forward for the amount of money we are able to spend, that's nothing to do with lack of ambition, it's just reality.
 
hills98 said:
I agree about beesley, but also I think our strikers don’t exactly miss chance after chance, last season I felt we had to work too hard for chances because we tended to move the ball too slowly and didn’t have midfielders pulling the strings. If you feed Yates and Lavery I reckon they’ll score a lot more goals.
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Statistically speaking we created roughly the amount of chances you'd expect for the goals we scored.

The key problem was Yates (and at times Lavery) were going entire games without actually having a meaningful effort.

I agree entirely.
 
I'll be surprised if any of our strikers scores a dozen this season. Yates and Lavery lseem to have forgotten how to score, partly due to the poor service from midfield. I thought Madine played well against Rangers and won nearly every ball in the air, but that's the job he does. We can't expect him to score the goals as well as setting them up for his partner.
 
Beesley is the best suited of our strikers to play as central striker in a three I reckon. Whether he's good enough at this level i dont know, but he made a fairly promising if inconclusive start. Itll be some time before hes back up to speed though, really unfortunate injury.

Gaz isnt a front 3 player. Bit part next season i think. Jerry has played on the left of a three for Swindon but isnt nailing down a spot at this level yet. Lavery is an unusual player. Doesn't really link up with team mates, but a nightmare to mark. Probably best off the bench to grab a goal. Needs to rediscover his confidence though.

Id expect Appleton to be looking to bring in a striker and maybe lose one cos it needs a shake up. Someone better suited to his system. Critch wanted the same but didnt get it.

But yhe service must imprive too as others have said. And not just from midfield. Our wide players are chronically poor in terms of getting quality balls into the box. Wingers and full backs.
 
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tommytwojags said:
I'll be surprised if any of our strikers scores a dozen this season. Yates and Lavery lseem to have forgotten how to score, partly due to the poor service from midfield. I thought Madine played well against Rangers and won nearly every ball in the air, but that's the job he does. We can't expect him to score the goals as well as setting them up for his partner.
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He doesn't do either of those things!!
 
voyeur said:
Beesley is the best suited of our strikers to play as central striker in a three I reckon. Whether he's good enough at this level i dont know, but he made a fairly promising if inconclusive start. Itll be some time before hes back up to speed though, really unfortunate injury.

Gaz isnt a front 3 player. Bit part next season i think. Jerry has played on the left of a three for Swindon but isnt nailing down a spot at this level yet. Lavery is an unusual player. Doesn't really link up with team mates, but a nightmare to mark. Probably best off the bench to grab a goal. Needs to rediscover his confidence though.

Id expect Appleton to be looking to bring in a striker and maybe lose one cos it needs a shake up. Someone better suited to his system. Critch wanted the same but didnt get it.

But yhe service must imprive too as others have said. And not just from midfield. Our wide players are chronically poor in terms of getting quality balls into the box. Wingers and full backs.
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If we signed Rogers or Scully or both and played Yates in the middle of a front 3 and played the ball on the deck a lot more and played the ball quicker, then Yates would be fine.
 
tommytwojags said:
I'll be surprised if any of our strikers scores a dozen this season. Yates and Lavery lseem to have forgotten how to score, partly due to the poor service from midfield. I thought Madine played well against Rangers and won nearly every ball in the air, but that's the job he does. We can't expect him to score the goals as well as setting them up for his partner.
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gjr69 said:
He doesn't do either of those things!!
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Madine's there as a target man to win the ball for his strike partner. Yates and Lavery have to step up and start scoring.
 
tommytwojags said:
Madine's there as a target man to win the ball for his strike partner. Yates and Lavery have to step up and start scoring.
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He might win some headers out of the box but you never know where it will land. I don't recall seeing Yates or Lavery spurn a load of chances created by Madine. The big man offers very little in an attacking sense. A bit of a threat at set pieces but minimal in open play.
 
No mention of Lubala despite his goal against Rangers! I thought he showed good composure and looked physically fitter than when first signed. He had the court case hanging over his head for a long time so maybe with that weight off his mind he could be worth another look. If nothing else being more involved may open up a loan/permanent deal to L1/L2 club.
 
Seainsea said:
No mention of Lubala despite his goal against Rangers! I thought he showed good composure and looked physically fitter than when first signed. He had the court case hanging over his head for a long time so maybe with that weight off his mind he could be worth another look. If nothing else being more involved may open up a loan/permanent deal to L1/L2 club.
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He owes us a 20 goal contribution season after forgetting to inform us of his circumstances when he signed. 🤓

Let's hope he plays like a man possessed.
 
gjr69 said:
He might win some headers out of the box but you never know where it will land. I don't recall seeing Yates or Lavery spurn a load of chances created by Madine. The big man offers very little in an attacking sense. A bit of a threat at set pieces but minimal in open play.
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Madine had twice as many goal attempts as Yates last season despite playing seven games less. That tells me two things: first, Madine struggles to convert chances despite being involved more than the other strikers; second, Yates doesn't have anywhere near enough shots on goal. Also, we get next to no goals from midfield. Dougall (3485 minutes per goal), Hamilton (836), Anderson (448).
 
tommytwojags said:
Madine had twice as many goal attempts as Yates last season despite playing seven games less. That tells me two things: first, Madine struggles to convert chances despite being involved more than the other strikers; second, Yates doesn't have anywhere near enough shots on goal. Also, we get next to no goals from midfield. Dougall (3485 minutes per goal), Hamilton (836), Anderson (448).
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It's going to be a different formation and style of play this season. If Appleton gets the players he is after and we play 3 up front, with two attacking midfielders behind them and full backs who are encouraged to get forward, in theory we should create a lot more chances. Hopefully we convert a lot more of them because with this style we allow the opposition more chances aswell.
Should be an entertaining season in theory.
As for Madine I don't think this style of play will suit him, be interesting to see what Appleton does with him, especially if we sign Bishop who apparently really is good in the air.
 
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