Charlene Downes

From what I’ve read it’s a private investigator looking into it, in the hope they can find some new leads to pass to the Police?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Explain how you felt it could get “out of hand” please…that will bring clarity because to me it’s very obvious which way you were trying to “control” future potential comments
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I know you’re not the brightest button in the box, Blood, but if you can’t see how comments on a thread like this could go from blaming criminal individuals to blaming an entire ethnic group, then you’re clearly thicker than water, Blood
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Explain how you felt it could get “out of hand” please…that will bring clarity because to me it’s very obvious which way you were trying to “control” future potential comments
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Because we've all seen how threads connected to race, however tangential, can become driven by the race factor. If a thread about exposing men exploiting and harming women and young girls is to stand a chance of being a good debate then it needs to stay focussed. That was my concern. I have no interest in "controlling" anything and haven't posted on here since the post you are referencing, very early in the discussion.
 
"Allowed to happen," 'Sir Keir's policy.'

You do like a bit of mythical finger pointing, don't you?
 
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Just read a fantastic book by John Grisham, one of my favourite authors.
it is actually a sequel to his very first novel 'A time to kill'. about the subject of ;childhood rape.
I have read most of his bools and have liked them all. Grisham has written over 40 books.
Really worth reading.
 
Davepick said:
Just read a fantastic book by John Grisham, one of my favourite authors.
it is actually a sequel to his very first novel 'A time to kill'. about the subject of ;childhood rape.
I have read most of his bools and have liked them all. Grisham has written over 40 books.
Really worth reading.
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read most of them too Dav. Think he's a great writer and storyteller. Usually take two away on each holiday.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Because we've all seen how threads connected to race, however tangential, can become driven by the race factor. If a thread about exposing men exploiting and harming women and young girls is to stand a chance of being a good debate then it needs to stay focussed. That was my concern. I have no interest in "controlling" anything and haven't posted on here since the post you are referencing, very early in the discussion.
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Is the culture that links the vast majority of these criminal individuals a contributing factor to the commission of these crimes? If the answer to that question is yes, then it should be open to discussion.

The veil of 'racism' cannot be allowed to be used as a means to shut down discussion of difficult topics in a free society. As we have been told hundreds of times by the establishment and media in recent years: 'we need to have difficult conversations'. Those difficult conversations don't only run in one direction, do they?
 
GeminiPool said:
Is the culture that links the vast majority of these criminal individuals a contributing factor to the commission of these crimes? If the answer to that question is yes, then it should be open to discussion.

The veil of 'racism' cannot be allowed to be used as a means to shut down discussion of difficult topics in a free society. As we have been told hundreds of times by the establishment and media in recent years: 'we need to have difficult conversations'. Those difficult conversations don't only run in one direction, do they?
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Good post. Yes of course I think you have a good point. I think there is a case here that points a finger at groups of men who live in, and are a part of a Muslim culture. That DOES NOT PUT ISLAM OR THE FOLLOWING OF ISLAM AT FAULT. What it does do is raise a question against some immigrant communities for the behaviour of some of their men. I imagine that those communities feel awful about what some of their men are doing.

Never stretch the fault to places it does not belong.
 
Curryman said:
Three more men arrested in Bradford yesterday re sexual activities with a young girl. All aged from 40 up to 66!

There is far too much of this going on, and the sooner it is stamped on the better.
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I don't want to go to deep because folk don't like discussing this topic on here so I will keep it simple.

A long time ago now, I used to think to myself how terrible it was that the young girls had basically lost their childhoods, I knew nothing could be done re their lost childhoods but I thought at last something was being done, that lessons were being learned and actions were being taken to ensure children were being protected.

Given what's happening all over the country, it is clear that not enough has been done, people are still turning a blind eye and we are continuing to fail these young girls - forget race, politics, etc, etc that's the tragedy, how has it been allowed to happen ?
 
Sorry, I shouldn't have said people are still turning a blind eye.

I don't believe that anybody with responsible for the safety of a vulnerable child would ever turn a blind eye, perhaps I should have said that some of those responsible are scared of the consequences of speaking out.
 
Scaramanga said:
Be very careful. a certain poster appeared on a private conversation with the mods I was having.
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🙄 feckin’ hell, you’re getting paranoid

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Shall I show you everyone you whinging to the mods in private and calling one of them Robbie only to be told that his name was something else

you’re a desperate case, Scara. Take a holiday, I think you need it 🤪🤡
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 feckin’ hell, you’re getting paranoid

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Shall I show you everyone you whinging to the mods in private and calling one of them Robbie only to be told that his name was something else

you’re a desperate case, Scara. Take a holiday, I think you need it 🤪🤡
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I’ve had a (private) conversation with the Mods regarding this and made my feelings quite clear to them. I was asked to take it private and tried several times, but your too cowardly to come and have a private discussion away from the board.
 
It’s a pretty straightforward situation. The poor girl was murdered and god knows what else and justice has not been served.

Whether it’s one person or a grooming gang makes little difference. She and her family deserve justice.

There’s also no point in denying the truth about the grooming gangs in these sorts of cases. They’re not ‘Asian’, they’re predominantly of Pakistani descent. That’s immaterial to specific crimes, as once they’ve happened it’s simply about the law. But it’s definitely a cultural issue that has to be raised in an honest and uncensored manner.
 
GeminiPool said:
No-one else has. You have jumped in to set what you believe is acceptable discourse and what isn't.

My suspicion is that the things you have stated above are what you believe the problems actually are, but you are over-socialised to the point that you feel the need to pre-emptively state that this is categorically not the case and anyone who believes so is beyond the pale.
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Is the culture that links the vast majority of these criminal individuals a contributing factor to the commission of these crimes? If the answer to that question is yes, then it should be open to discussion.

Now who's being pre-emptive? People who commit violent crimes against others must be understood. If these crimes stem from a perverse misrepresentation of their culture or, perhaps, an unwillingness to transgress against their community - prompting them to commit these crimes outside of their community - then it remains the behaviour of the criminals that needs to be addressed.
 
20togo said:
I believe what Scara says so there is something very wrong if another poster has access to some-one elses dm.
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Just to be clear - the DM in question was copied to both posters. That is why they were both able to reply to it. We are sure that either or both can confirm that the original message was clearly addressed to two people. Thanks.
 
avftt_admin2 said:
Just to be clear - the DM in question was copied to both posters. That is why they were both able to reply to it. We are sure that either or both can confirm that the original message was clearly addressed to two people. Thanks.
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Ah right, so I'm assuming that an admin was responsible for the original dm. Scara didn't explain that.
 
Lala said:
The girl was let down on so many levels is my opinion.
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Like hundreds of girls up and down the country doesn't matter if it's Telford, Rotherham or Oldham there's something inherently wrong with the system when it goes on for so long.

Every time I hear the story of Sophie who was raped in a church yard went to Oldham Police station to report it was kicked out the picked up by more men and was raped and raped until they kicked her out in the morning it's very upsetting.

Good for her she's fighting back against those in charge but there still burying their heads in the sand and they don't want to upset a section of the community which is disgraceful.
 
poolseasider said:
Like hundreds of girls up and down the country doesn't matter if it's Telford, Rotherham or Oldham there's something inherently wrong with the system when it goes on for so long.

Every time I hear the story of Sophie who was raped in a church yard went to Oldham Police station to report it was kicked out the picked up by more men and was raped and raped until they kicked her out in the morning it's very upsetting.

Good for her she's fighting back against those in charge but there still burying their heads in the sand and they don't want to upset a section of the community which is disgraceful.
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Who on earth was in charge of the CPS at the time, and what were they thinking?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Is the culture that links the vast majority of these criminal individuals a contributing factor to the commission of these crimes? If the answer to that question is yes, then it should be open to discussion.

Now who's being pre-emptive? People who commit violent crimes against others must be understood. If these crimes stem from a perverse misrepresentation of their culture or, perhaps, an unwillingness to transgress against their community - prompting them to commit these crimes outside of their community - then it remains the behaviour of the criminals that needs to be addressed.
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You can put oil and water in a container and shake it as much as you like; eventually they always separate again.

"Perverse misrepresentation" is a wonderful bit of mental gymnastics you are performing there. I presume that the sub-continent is a wonderful world of sexual equality, and female empowerment...

The various inquiries into the grooming scandals have repeatedly identified the race of the offenders as being a key factor in allowing them to continue their heinous crimes unmolested by the authorities. That alone is reason enough to question the current course of race relations in this country. I for one am not willing to see White girls sacrificed on the altar of diversity in order to avoid hurting the feelings of those with no ancestral connection to this land.
 
GeminiPool said:
You can put oil and water in a container and shake it as much as you like; eventually they always separate again.

"Perverse misrepresentation" is a wonderful bit of mental gymnastics you are performing there. I presume that the sub-continent is a wonderful world of sexual equality, and female empowerment...

The various inquiries into the grooming scandals have repeatedly identified the race of the offenders as being a key factor in allowing them to continue their heinous crimes unmolested by the authorities. That alone is reason enough to question the current course of race relations in this country. I for one am not willing to see White girls sacrificed on the altar of diversity in order to avoid hurting the feelings of those with no ancestral connection to this land.
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You are certainly a person who does not want to respect the bounds of decency on this thread. Mischievous doesn't cover it. Deliberately provocative might.
 
In a lot of these cases you have to question the role of the parents or whoever is the legal guardian.
There are some terrible people out there, if parents don't do their job properly then these evil bastards step in.
Usually if you are doing your parenting right your daughter doesn't want to take drugs and alcohol from take away owners. Doesn't excuse the evil perverts but people need to look at the problem from all angles if you want it to stop.
 
gjr69 said:
In a lot of these cases you have to question the role of the parents or whoever is the legal guardian.
There are some terrible people out there, if parents don't do their job properly then these evil bastards step in.
Usually if you are doing your parenting right your daughter doesn't want to take drugs and alcohol from take away owners. Doesn't excuse the evil perverts but people need to look at the problem from all angles if you want it to stop.
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Very good post. Its usually all relative and there is culpability right down the line.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I don't want to go to deep because folk don't like discussing this topic on here so I will keep it simple.

A long time ago now, I used to think to myself how terrible it was that the young girls had basically lost their childhoods, I knew nothing could be done re their lost childhoods but I thought at last something was being done, that lessons were being learned and actions were being taken to ensure children were being protected.

Given what's happening all over the country, it is clear that not enough has been done, people are still turning a blind eye and we are continuing to fail these young girls - forget race, politics, etc, etc that's the tragedy, how has it been allowed to happen ?
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By turning a blind eye, hoping it'll go away and not prosecuting the perpetrators for fear of being branded racist.
 
gjr69 said:
In a lot of these cases you have to question the role of the parents or whoever is the legal guardian.
There are some terrible people out there, if parents don't do their job properly then these evil bastards step in.
Usually if you are doing your parenting right your daughter doesn't want to take drugs and alcohol from take away owners. Doesn't excuse the evil perverts but people need to look at the problem from all angles if you want it to stop.
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Hmmmmm... "if you are doing your parenting right" - the vast majority of parents think they are "doing it right"...obviously including you.
Your argument sounds a bit like those who say "well, she was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it"...
The evil perverts are at fault. Apart from those cases where the parents are actively involved in exploiting their children, that's IT.
 
Posts like the one above prove some people are clearly part of the problem. Keep burying the truth lad.
 
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