Charlie come home!

Lytham_fy8 said:
My opinion is literally on this very thread at 2pm today, not sure why you missed it.

I did say I wouldn't worry about them, guess I was wrong, whoop de ** do for you, have a badge.

Ridiculing suddenly wanting Charlie is fine by me, imagine it wasn't Charlie but someone no one had heard of with the same experience and record, you still reckon people would be pleased?

Also, dead easy to throw names around like it's Championship Manager 1998.

Owt else you want to know or is that it for now?
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If you read my OP I said let the season play out. So that means not only us but Charlie Adam at Fleetwood too. If he keeps them up then I would say that is quite an achievement. Along the lines of Ian Evatt's of leading Barrow back into the EFL in his first season of management. Evatt who was dismissed out of hand as a candidate for the Blackpool job because he was too inexperienced!
 
gjr said:
I'm not that bothered about changing the manager for Adam, Dobbie or Thompson or some combination of the three.
I'm not even that bothered about changing the manager. If we lose 7 or 8 players this summer and bring 7 or 8 better ones, Critchley will probably be OK as long as he can change his own attitude to the game.
Stop setting us up on the backfoot, use the subs more effectively and don't just pick players based on them being good characters.
Better players and a bolder attitude he can stay, similar players and similar attitude then I think the club will struggle to sell season tickets and the Blackpool Firestick Supporters Group will be even bigger than it is now.
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Therein lies the problem. We should stick with the manager as long as he can change. If he changes then he's not the same manager, so why stick with him, or even appoint him in the first place.

You can't stick with a manager and hope they change.

HOPE HOPE HOPE.

Change won't happen, if it was to, then it would have by now. This is no longer about the players ie CC at LWB, but about playing the best XI available and not getting the best out of them.

One last chance, remote of course , at the p/o's and the players have to say ** the manager and play like we want to. They must talk and I doubt it's ' lets be more accurate when passing along the backline and to Grimmy'.
 
Seainsea said:
If you read my OP I said let the season play out. So that means not only us but Charlie Adam at Fleetwood too. If he keeps them up then I would say that is quite an achievement. Along the lines of Ian Evatt's of leading Barrow back into the EFL in his first season of management. Evatt who was dismissed out of hand as a candidate for the Blackpool job because he was too inexperienced!
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That's fair enough, Critchley's not going anywhere but if he did I would honestly give it Dobbie.

No point trying to recruit someone else's manager, we haven't done that since Bob Stokoe from Carlisle (excellent BFC themed quiz question there).
 
fcblackpool said:
Therein lies the problem. We should stick with the manager as long as he can change. If he changes then he's not the same manager, so why stick with him, or even appoint him in the first place.

You can't stick with a manager and hope they change.

HOPE HOPE HOPE.

Change won't happen, if it was to, then it would have by now. This is no longer about the players ie CC at LWB, but about playing the best XI available and not getting the best out of them.

One last chance, remote of course , at the p/o's and the players have to say ** the manager and play like we want to. They must talk and I doubt it's ' lets be more accurate when passing along the backline and to Grimmy'.
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But it's not all bad, just a lot of it!
If he doesn't learn from his mistakes or is incapable of seeing them or admitting to them then I agree he has to go.
Chopping and changing managers isn't usually successful, if he were kept in place and Sadler backed him with 7 or 8 new players that are genuinely good enough for the top 6 I might be OK with him staying.
I'm almost certain we won't go up so it will be a challenge for those running the club to generate some enthusiasm for next season, easiest way might be a new manager but I doubt that will happen barring a disastrous run in.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
That's fair enough, Critchley's not going anywhere but if he did I would honestly give it Dobbie.

No point trying to recruit someone else's manager, we haven't done that since Bob Stokoe from Carlisle (excellent BFC themed quiz question there).
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Bob Stokoe, yet more evidence that you should never go back even though he had won the Div2 title with Sunderland two years earlier.

Believe it or not but I was quite happy with the re-appointment of Critchley with the proviso that he brought an experienced No.2 with him. That didn't happen and his meat-headed addiction to 5-2-3 resulting in bizarre ideas like playing Connolly as a left wing-back were early signs that his experiences at Villa and QPR have left a mark on him.
 
gjr said:
But it's not all bad, just a lot of it!
If he doesn't learn from his mistakes or is incapable of seeing them or admitting to them then I agree he has to go.
Chopping and changing managers isn't usually successful, if he were kept in place and Sadler backed him with 7 or 8 new players that are genuinely good enough for the top 6 I might be OK with him staying.
I'm almost certain we won't go up so it will be a challenge for those running the club to generate some enthusiasm for next season, easiest way might be a new manager but I doubt that will happen barring a disastrous run in.
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The thing that gets me i there's no sign of really learning from mistakes. Belatedly he has picked near enough the best XI in his favoured system and still it's either 2 steps forward one back or one forward, two back because of the approach.

I honestly can't see how NC can change irrespective of in's and out's.
 
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gjr said:
Didn't need a football professional to see what was wrong first half, myself and my unprofessional friends called it exactly the same as Steve Thompson.
I would love to near from Critchley why he set up so negatively, not like we were playing Liverpool, Celtic or Galatasaray and you need to kill the atmosphere in the stadium!
We were playing towards our own fans in a stadium devoid of passion, we need wins and there aren't many games left, just give it a good go in both halves!
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Spot on. Everyone can see it except for the fist pumping pillock who has lots of meaningless certificates.
 
spudgun said:
Choosing the prospective next manager based on the sole criterion of being a popular ex-player - and one with less than a dozen managerial games - is little short of idiocy. BFC is a multi-million pound business, not a NW Counties set-up...
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I am not commenting on the suitability of Charlie Adam to be our manager but employing popular ex players is not something unique to lower leagues.

It happens at all levels of football, including the very top.

Did OGS get the job at Man Utd because he is a legend at the club and he could possibly help unite the fanbase or was it because of his tremebdous managerial record that saw him win the Norwegian title and get Cardiff relegated ?

Would a Liverpool legend with a tremendous managerial/coaching pedigree be considered for the Man Utd job ?

Not impossible but I'd say it would be unlikely.

To be fair, you did say on the sole criterion of being a popular ex player, so I would agree with you but I'm not sure that it would be the only criteria in this case - Charlie Adam - or in any other case.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
There'd have been no PL season without Holloway either, yet he continues to get stick for leaving after 3 and a half years, it's the usual BFC fan double standards.

SS literally said the exact opposite to your last paragraph not a few weeks ago, it's another stupid rumour.
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I'm not sure that there would have been a season in the sun without Bonnie Prince Charlie ;)


I'm not suggesting that Charlie should get the job but playing success at a club and popularity with the fan base are certainly factors that help secure managerial jobs at all levels of the game.


Charlie doesn't have the coaching/managerial experience of Critchley but he MIGHT be more popular with the supporters, he MIGHT be more popular with the players, he MIGHT be more positive.
 
Mark_GT said:
I like the sound of that, I'd replace Critchley in a breath, but Charlie snubbed us for Reading and a payday and I suspect that burned his bridges.
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If Charlie has burned his bridges then what did Critchley do ?

Critchley fecked off as soon as he got offered to be a better opportunity and I have no doubt that he would so again.

I know this is all hypothetical b0110x like the majority of the thread but if Charlie was ever our manager, he'd be out the door as soon as he was offered what he considered to be a better opportunity.

Surely employing hungry managers/players/administrators who are determined to get to the next level and eventually to the top is exactly what the club should be doing ?

They are far more likely to be offered what they consider to be better opportunities if they are successful in their time with us.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
If Charlie has burned his bridges then what did Critchley do ?

Critchley fecked off as soon as he got offered to be a better opportunity and I have no doubt that he would so again.

I know this is all hypothetical b0110x like the majority of the thread but if Charlie was ever our manager, he'd be out the door as soon as he was offered what he considered to be a better opportunity.

Surely employing hungry managers/players/administrators who are determined to get to the next level and eventually to the top is exactly what the club should be doing ?

They are far more likely to be offered what they consider to be better opportunities if they are successful in their time with us.
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Read my post no. 17 on this thread please.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
If Charlie has burned his bridges then what did Critchley do ?

Critchley fecked off as soon as he got offered to be a better opportunity and I have no doubt that he would so again.

I know this is all hypothetical b0110x like the majority of the thread but if Charlie was ever our manager, he'd be out the door as soon as he was offered what he considered to be a better opportunity.

Surely employing hungry managers/players/administrators who are determined to get to the next level and eventually to the top is exactly what the club should be doing ?

They are far more likely to be offered what they consider to be better opportunities if they are successful in their time with us.
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Charlie fucked off at the first chance as well.
 
I just hope that when Critchley is potted, whenever that may be, the next appointment isn’t another lazy appointment and we look beyond ex managers and ex players. If the next guy turns out to be an ex-player then so be it but I hope it’s because he’s found to be the best possible candidate following a vigorous and extensive recruitment process and not because he was a good/popular player who the fans will love and all know.
 
I know someone on the staff at Fleetwood and they are impressed with Charlie. He got rid of the troublemakers in the team and has rejigged the side. Not saying he should come here but will be interesting to see how they do in the run in.
 
Seainsea said:
If you read my OP I said let the season play out. So that means not only us but Charlie Adam at Fleetwood too. If he keeps them up then I would say that is quite an achievement. Along the lines of Ian Evatt's of leading Barrow back into the EFL in his first season of management. Evatt who was dismissed out of hand as a candidate for the Blackpool job because he was too inexperienced!
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But don't you know!? We're something of a world authority when it comes to the question of making 'sound' managerial appointments. You've surely only to look at the present incumbant if you're wanting proof of that ...
 
SirHarryThomson said:
I know someone on the staff at Fleetwood and they are impressed with Charlie. He got rid of the troublemakers in the team and has rejigged the side. Not saying he should come here but will be interesting to see how they do in the run in.
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Hopefully they'll scrape through by the skin of their teeth ...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
There'd have been no PL season without Holloway either, yet he continues to get stick for leaving after 3 and a half years, it's the usual BFC fan double standards.

SS literally said the exact opposite to your last paragraph not a few weeks ago, it's another stupid rumour.
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Yes, he quite clearly wants Championship football. He said so! Why some people keeping saying he doesn’t, is beyond me!
 
Adam set his team up better than Critchley, made the game more enjoyable and the only difference was we just had a bit more quality.
Already his style of play interests me a lot more than Critchley’s.
 
BFCPaul said:
Adam set his team up better than Critchley, made the game more enjoyable and the only difference was we just had a bit more quality.
Already his style of play interests me a lot more than Critchley’s.
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Yet his team had far fewer shots and lost in their must win game.

No thanks.
 
Dave62 said:
I'd prefer to see someone new to the club (don't know who would be available or who we could get though), with new ideas.
Watching that shite yesterday, I felt we need a reset from manager/coach and also several new players.

I recently suggested Pete Wild, but apparently he plays 3-5-2 !

After the recent interview with SS, it seems that NC is staying as Herts says, which suggested to me that there isn't a release clause in NC's 4 year contract 😞
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Pete Wild is one of, if not the manager that has his team outplaying their budget more than any other? Let’s be honest it’s not simply 3-5-2 we dissent about it’s the way it’s played and the lack of attacking intent?
 
EyeinBISA said:
Pete Wild is one of, if not the manager that has his team outplaying their budget more than any other? Let’s be honest it’s not simply 3-5-2 we dissent about it’s the way it’s played and the lack of attacking intent?
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Who plays the same system and his philosophy is around keeping it tight at the back. I've seen enough of that nonsense to last me a lifetime thanks.
 
It was a must win game for them at their derby (bless), my gran could motivate a team for that and she's been dead since 1990.

Charlie is taking them down and people want him as manager?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It was a must win game for them at their derby (bless), my gran could motivate a team for that and she's been dead since 1990.

Charlie is taking them down and people want him as manager?
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I think it’s more the point we will take anyone if it means getting a new manager.
 
I didn’t see enough for me to clamour for Charlie as manager.

What I did like from him:

1. Gave the fourth official plenty of stick and almost potted one of the folder wavers (think it was Garrity?). So good passion in a Fatty Evans stylee.

2. Very vocal demanding where he wanted players to stand and where he expected players to interact.

3. His team had that necessary niggle and spitefulness to get in amongst our players. Only Husband has that in our line up.

4. Was decisive and positive in his substitutions.

Not so good:

1. His team didn’t press us enough and that is clearly our Achilles heel. Crappy teams have knocked us over this season by forcefully chasing and harrying our back three and Norburn. They sat too deep until last ten mins.

2. They allowed Dembele to run the show first half. Most teams now snuff him out and we then just huff and puff
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You will but we knew that already, then you'll turn on them within ten games because they're not playing Total Football.
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No this is beyond support. The formation is dire. Away from home we end up like Fleetwood were last night and a flat back five. There should be a campaign like Stop Oil in a bid to stop this negative football and starvation of entertaining football.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
No this is beyond support. The formation is dire. Away from home we end up like Fleetwood were last night and a flat back five. There should be a campaign like Stop Oil in a bid to stop this negative football and starvation of entertaining football.
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'Wait Brett, there's a fella with a placard trying to chain himself to the the centre circle...'
 
Personally I hope he stays at Fleetwood next season and does well, gaining more experience so that he could be an option should we need him and if they do badly then we know he’s not for us.

Much as I dislike Critchley’s tactics and negativity he will be our manager next season regardless, so he either improves and we carry on or he flunks it and he goes sometime before Christmas
 
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