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catinstalbans

catinstalbans

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There seems to be a pattern prevalent in England, (notably not in Scotland or Wales) where the demographic of Conservative voters is shifting to the less well educated. This is a direct consequence of the drift to the right and scapegoating hate policies pursued by Boris Johnson and his hangers on to appease the Brexit voters. Chesham is a good example of this pattern. Unfortunately the Leader of the Labour Party seems too hapless to take advantage in the constituencies it needs to be gaining.
 
catinstalbans said:
There seems to be a pattern prevalent in England, (notably not in Scotland or Wales) where the demographic of Conservative voters is shifting to the less well educated. This is a direct consequence of the drift to the right and scapegoating hate policies pursued by Boris Johnson and his hangers on to appease the Brexit voters. Chesham is a good example of this pattern. Unfortunately the Leader of the Labour Party seems too hapless to take advantage in the constituencies it needs to be gaining.
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"less well educated" is, perhaps, overcooking it. Certainly there is a big take-up of Johnson's hard-right nationalism among the more insular voters and those who feel disenfranchised by so-called metropolitanism. I don't think that will last but definitely, the democratic-left need someone up front who has the public charisma to sell the social-democratic message.
 
catinstalbans said:
There seems to be a pattern prevalent in England, (notably not in Scotland or Wales) where the demographic of Conservative voters is shifting to the less well educated. This is a direct consequence of the drift to the right and scapegoating hate policies pursued by Boris Johnson and his hangers on to appease the Brexit voters. Chesham is a good example of this pattern. Unfortunately the Leader of the Labour Party seems too hapless to take advantage in the constituencies it needs to be gaining.
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"less well educated."
That literally made me cringe. And if you want a reason why people feel left out or on the margins it's because of statements like that.
The demographics have changed but Labour need to ensure that those votes in the red wall are on loan only. Attitudes like the above will simply fortify their dissatisfaction.
 
catinstalbans said:
There seems to be a pattern prevalent in England, (notably not in Scotland or Wales) where the demographic of Conservative voters is shifting to the less well educated. This is a direct consequence of the drift to the right and scapegoating hate policies pursued by Boris Johnson and his hangers on to appease the Brexit voters. Chesham is a good example of this pattern. Unfortunately the Leader of the Labour Party seems too hapless to take advantage in the constituencies it needs to be gaining.
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Somewhat patronising there, Cat. The well educated are just as prone to deception and brainwashing as the uneducated.
 
Wow, CAT strikes again. Labour only managed 622 votes. These types of ignorant posts are the reason Labour haven’t won a seat for over 8 years. By all means carry On CAT 81 down to 80 seats isn’t going to make a jot of difference.
 
Scaramanga said:
Wow, CAT strikes again. Labour only managed 622 votes. These types of ignorant posts are the reason Labour haven’t won a seat for over 8 years. By all means carry On CAT 81 down to 80 seats isn’t going to make a jot of difference.
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southshorepool said:
"less well educated."
That literally made me cringe. And if you want a reason why people feel left out or on the margins it's because of statements like that.
The demographics have changed but Labour need to ensure that those votes in the red wall are on loan only. Attitudes like the above will simply fortify their dissatisfaction.
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If we are being brutally honest Cat actually conflates "less well educated" with "less intelligent" (just as inflammatory, I know). And we shouldn`t make the mistake of equating a poor education with necessarily having low intelligence.

A first class education can often give a veneer of intellectuality and superiority to someone of only average intelligence - Jacob Rees-Mogg being a perfect case in point.

And it is perfectly possible to be poorly educated but have high levels of intelligence. Many of the people I know fall into that category...
 
spudgun said:
If we are being brutally honest Cat actually conflates "less well educated" with "less intelligent" (just as inflammatory, I know). And we shouldn`t make the mistake of equating a poor education with necessarily having low intelligence.

A first class education can often give a veneer of intellectuality and superiority to someone of only average intelligence - Jacob Rees-Mogg being a perfect case in point.

And it is perfectly possible to be poorly educated but have high levels of intelligence. Many of the people I know fall into that category...
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I agree with that and I'm hoping that's what they meant to say but it's walking a tightrope.
 
I was talking to a Chesham based lady the other day, someone involved in local politics, she pointed out that if you stick a stonking great railway line through the area of natural beauty that is the Chiltern Hills you best not ask conservative voters to support you.

Chesham sits in the heart of the Chilterns. They were asked and told Boris where to stuff it.
 
spudgun said:
A first class education can often give a veneer of intellectuality and superiority to someone of only average intelligence - Jacob Rees-Mogg being a perfect case in point.
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Says the pompous poster who sneers at people calling them intellectually inept.
 
braymarina said:
I was talking to a Chesham based lady the other day, someone involved in local politics, she pointed out that if you stick a stonking great railway line through the area of natural beauty that is the Chiltern Hills you best not ask conservative voters to support you.

Chesham sits in the heart of the Chilterns. They were asked and told Boris where to stuff it.
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Probably explains it as well as anything.
 
Scaramanga said:
Wow, CAT strikes again. Labour only managed 622 votes. These types of ignorant posts are the reason Labour haven’t won a seat for over 8 years. By all means carry On CAT 81 down to 80 seats isn’t going to make a jot of difference.
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Putney, Labour gain 2019. Always check your sources before posting on here - you should know that.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I wonder how far the left are going to get by calling the voters stupid.

Not very is my guess.
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It's not 'the left' though is it. It was one poster and others on the left came on to point out that it was not a good thing to say.
Stick to your political guns Lost but don't start inventing things - you're not Johnson or Hancock.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
It's not 'the left' though is it. It was one poster and others on the left came on to point out that it was not a good thing to say.
Stick to your political guns Lost but don't start inventing things - you're not Johnson or Hancock.
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It does seem to be part of a wider trend among the metropolitan left to dismiss anyone who doesn't vote for them as such, a similar thread from another poster after the last set of elections: “thank ee Sir” Council Elections

And let's not mention Emily Thornberry shall we.
 
Lost Seasider said:
It does seem to be part of a wider trend among the metropolitan left to dismiss anyone who doesn't vote for them as such, a similar thread from another poster after the last set of elections: “thank ee Sir” Council Elections

And let's not mention Emily Thornberry shall we.
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Is there a disconnect between the London Labour metro set and the working class Labour movement? Yes, I think there is and it is costing votes. It's also responsible for some of the 'sneering' that you're talking about. Labour had to work on that and it's why I'd be keen for Lisa Nandy and Jess Phillips to have a much higher profile than they have.
Even so Lost, I think the vast majority of the Parliamentary Labour Party are genuine people who represent their communities well.
 
Scaramanga said:
Wow, CAT strikes again. Labour only managed 622 votes. These types of ignorant posts are the reason Labour haven’t won a seat for over 8 years. By all means carry On CAT 81 down to 80 seats isn’t going to make a jot of difference.
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You need to work on your maths there a little.
 
southshorepool said:
"less well educated."
That literally made me cringe. And if you want a reason why people feel left out or on the margins it's because of statements like that.
The demographics have changed but Labour need to ensure that those votes in the red wall are on loan only. Attitudes like the above will simply fortify their dissatisfaction.
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Regarding the margins, the Tories and their media backers invented a problem, called it 'Brexit', stoked up those on the fringes and are now popular with them as the Government blame the EU and immigrants for problems created by a) New Labour b) a decade of Tory cuts and c) Thatcher decimating traditional industry.

That's it really, Labour can try and reconnect but it's not easy when there's scapegoats around for the world's ills.
 
spudgun said:
If we are being brutally honest Cat actually conflates "less well educated" with "less intelligent" (just as inflammatory, I know). And we shouldn`t make the mistake of equating a poor education with necessarily having low intelligence.

A first class education can often give a veneer of intellectuality and superiority to someone of only average intelligence - Jacob Rees-Mogg being a perfect case in point.

And it is perfectly possible to be poorly educated but have high levels of intelligence. Many of the people I know fall into that category...
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But higher education will improve anyone's cognitive reasoning, it improves an individual's bullshit detector ten fold.
 
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catinstalbans said:
There seems to be a pattern prevalent in England, (notably not in Scotland or Wales) where the demographic of Conservative voters is shifting to the less well educated. This is a direct consequence of the drift to the right and scapegoating hate policies pursued by Boris Johnson and his hangers on to appease the Brexit voters. Chesham is a good example of this pattern. Unfortunately the Leader of the Labour Party seems too hapless to take advantage in the constituencies it needs to be gaining.
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Afternoon Cat,

Is there any chance you can put a bit more into your thread titles please.

The Chesham is a 2 year old race at Royal Ascot tomorrow run over 7 furlongs for horses whose sires were successful over at least 10 furlongs.

I was expecting to read some information on the race.
 
Less intelligent may be a better description of the modern Conservative voter, particularly those that have move to the party since Brexit but there is evidence to support the premise I put forward.
 
Wizaard said:
Tactical voting by Labour supporters. Obviously.

Although I do agree Cats post is badly worded, the Tories have relied on scaremongering about immigrants and the EU to get ahead and certain demographics have responded to that dog whistle approach.
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Not sure it can all been put down to tactical voting. Labour unfortunately have a problem and they are going to have to get to grips with it soon. Not sure starmer at the helm is working for them. He should have torn Johnson to pieces in pmq the other day day, but just trotted out his usual style which Johnson has now become accustomed to just batting off like a fly. That's hardly a shortage of ammunition at the moment but it's which gun you fire it with
 
catinstalbans said:
metro.co.uk

Voters with higher levels of education 'were more likely to vote Labour'

But youth voter turnout was lower than the 72% initially predicted
metro.co.uk metro.co.uk

Couldn't get the link to post in isolation but it's in this article
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If voters with higher levels of education were more likely to vote Labour, they must be damn thick in Yorkshire because in the red wall constituency of Batley & Spen the polls are showing a swing of 11% towards the Tories prior to the upcoming by-election.

The polls also found that Boris Johnson has a positive favourability rating of +18% compared to Sir Keir's rating of -32%.

55% of voters in Batley & Spen said they prefer Johnson as Prime Minister compared to 18% for Sir Keir.
 
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