He ran that Wigan left back ragged on Saturday.
CJ
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20togo
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that's this season. What's your excuse for the previous 3.
A_Tense_Grin
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Playing in a wing back system doesn't suit CJ. He gets no support from overlapping full backs. Play CJ in a normal football formation and the world is his oyster.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I can understand why CJ comes in for criticism, but I don’t think that the criticism he gets is remotely balanced or particularly fair.
Devonshire
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If he gets people having a go when he plays as a winger then it’s part of his job and should accept it if he has a bad day. However if he is playing as a defender then the criticism should be aimed at the management, his strengths are not defending but running at defenders with pace, which I think at this level he could do a very good job for us either as a starter or sometimes as an impact player. Don’t write CJ off at this level if played correctly.
I hope I'm not over-simplyfying the issue here, and I know it's "early days", but, personally speaking, I really do hope the Wigan game proves to be a turning point for CJ. You got the distinct sense he had been 'let off his lead' for the game on Saturday. He was playing in the position he clearly favours, and, frankly, he just looked a completely player to the one we've had to observe "manfully struggling" in games since the start of the season. You could actually see it in his body language; he looked relaxed and at ease, and he was playing with a real sense of drive and passion. Wigan's defence simply couldn't handle him - and didn't he know it!
Yes, I know, I'm basing this reappraisal on the strenght of one game, and it may all come to nought. But, hopefully, what we are all starting to see now is a re-energised CJ, and with the renewed backing of the fans and his team-mates (with the latter being actively encouraged to play to his to his strengths), we may soon be looking at something approaching a fully reincarnated figure.
Yes, I know, I'm basing this reappraisal on the strenght of one game, and it may all come to nought. But, hopefully, what we are all starting to see now is a re-energised CJ, and with the renewed backing of the fans and his team-mates (with the latter being actively encouraged to play to his to his strengths), we may soon be looking at something approaching a fully reincarnated figure.
Kurt, I wonder why you’re so aggressive in your responses ?! Such a shame that you have to revert to swearing to try and make your poorly thought through points. Almost everyone on the ground seemed to think CJ had a blinder on Saturday, and everyone, but you, seemed to think Rhodes goal was a cracker, and that CJ did brilliantly providing the assist. However, I guess you are allowed to be as biased as you want, and being blind to an outstanding performance is your prerogative. Ps one thing, if you’re going to talk about people lacking in intelligence, then it seems a tad rich when you start one of your sentences with the word “ And”
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Well all the managers we have had seem to want to play him and I still rated him better then Bowler for service to our strikers . Its all down to opinions ,and three managers are more important then yours.
20togo
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yep, he's spent plenty of time on the bench too. That's the managers choice too. And you rate CJ better than Bowler yet Bowler was sold for 4 million as well as other teams bigger than us being interested in him. And I rate their opinion more important than yours. CJ will never ever be worth anything close to that amount. And not only that, I've been nothing but postive about CJ's performance last saturday whereas i doubt you've ever had a positive word to say about Bowler and as you know you even make up lies about him with regards to blaming him for a goal we conceded.
And remind me, didn't you even start a thread or at least certainly make a comment about fans having a go at players. You really don't think things through do you?
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WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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You want to read what I have written before going off on one. I said gave better service to the strikers ,I never said he was a better player. Learn to read . Also I have never lied and admitted I was mistaken about that post . Something for you to try perhaps.
GoWest
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There appear to be a lot of negatively obsessed 'fans' on this forum, who seem to expend a disproportionately large amount of energy dragging CJ through the Fylde coast mud.
Plenty of other players were equally unsettled at the start of the season but they get little or no mention on here.
I'm backing CJ this season as his pace is blistering and it's a joy to watch him leave the opposition for dust.
There was no irony in the Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole from my mouth on Saturday; just good old fashioned appreciation.
Plenty of other players were equally unsettled at the start of the season but they get little or no mention on here.
I'm backing CJ this season as his pace is blistering and it's a joy to watch him leave the opposition for dust.
There was no irony in the Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole from my mouth on Saturday; just good old fashioned appreciation.
20togo
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he deserves the praise for saturdays performance. Pity you've only just registered for AVFTT and not been around to post your comments for the last 3 seasons CJ has been here. Why is that?
GoWest
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How can you be so sure or know I haven't been around?
20togo
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Well, that's pretty easy to see. You might have "been around" but maybe it's only now you've just got the balls to start posting.
So its CJs fault that Lavery or Beesley aren't good enough to latch onto his crosses. Give over man.
GoWest
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I fail to see what relevance my profile age has to do with the validity of my opinion; you appear to be making assumptions and jumping to conclusions based purely on the frequency of my posts.
What do you mean by "only now you've just got the balls to start posting"? Which, in my very humble opinion, is both a crude and very course description of my support for The Club?
At what point does a user on this forum gain your, clearly worthwhile and highly sort after, mark of respect and approval?
Simonized
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WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Why would you need balls to post ? Only people that think they have done something brave would come out with a post like this . Also you have had it in for CJ for ages ,it must hurt that we played to his strengths for once and he was by far the best player at the Wigan game.
Phil_bfc deux
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His best eve game for us was with Appleton as the manager
How does that fit your agenda
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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The mans a buffoon ,he tries to pick arguments with quite a few on here ,but he isn't very bright , so when you win your argument ,he disappears
ItsGrimUpNorth
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He’s had 1 maybe 2 good games since Swindon @ home during lockdown.
If he does what he’s good at, like he did Vs Wigan (knock the ball past his man and get his back turned) then he will be a world beater at this level. He HAS to be positive, HAS to back himself and his pace. We’ve then got to fill the box to ensure his crosses can cause issues.
He, unfortunately, doesn’t have the technical ability to stand a defender up and beat them with skill - but why would you want to do that, when you’re the fastest player in the league? Play to your strengths.
20togo
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I never disappear and I don't tell lies like you.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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It always seems to be the ones who are clueless about football who have a downer on players like CJ.
It’s like they can’t see beyond their bias and the obvious to appreciate his effectiveness both defensively and in terms of the attacking threat.
It’s good that sone of us have more of a detailed appreciation of the finer points of the game…. Much like the numerous managers who have also recognised his ability…
It’s like they can’t see beyond their bias and the obvious to appreciate his effectiveness both defensively and in terms of the attacking threat.
It’s good that sone of us have more of a detailed appreciation of the finer points of the game…. Much like the numerous managers who have also recognised his ability…
20togo
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you came on here with the first post I replied to with the intention of having a go at fans. If you think that people on this message board are so negative in their outlook then why do you bother coming on here? And it was you who asked the question about "being around".
20togo
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brilliant stuff from contrary mary who said Bowler was a L1 player although the evidence suggests otherwise and also who backed McCarthy during his whole time with us.
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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He’s created goal scoring opportunities in pretty much every game. Will almost certainly be the one player who has created the most GS opportunities for us so far this season.
He performed very well in the opening game vs Burton, did well vs Port Vale and Exeter, had his worst league games vs Lincoln and LO (although still delivered at least one of the two early chances at Lincoln).
He works hard off the ball, is positionally intelligent, understands the system and has a fantastic attitude.
I just don’t get the downer on the lad at all… His close control and ball skills aren’t as good as Josh Bowler and he often miscontrols the ball…. So he gets a hard time…
voyeur
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I'm in the middle. He's not terrible but he's not great. He's a great lad and I love it when he does well. I wouldn't have him starting games personally. I'd want technically better players and then maybe bring him on if the game is stretched or the opposition is playing a high line.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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If we’ve got better players, then obviously we should play them, but I think the lad gets a rough deal from a lot of fans simply because he can look a bit clumsy on the ball. He’s actually very effective (deceptively so)…
voyeur
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He's effective in certain situations that very easy to define.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I wonder if more effective in certain situations than others would be a fairer description. In a game like Wigan he’s literally all over it… However in other games his overall contribution is still very good and he will still create chances.
Hopefully the addition of Dembele will give us an additional option and perhaps enable us to be much more effective at unlocking the opportunities in those sides who set out to defend.
And as you say, CJ can be used as a sub when legs are a bit tired and the game gets stretched.
voyeur
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We scored zero goals for 9 hours. For various reasons obviously. We really do need to get a lot better at creating chances, all across the pitch. It's always the ladt thing Critch thinks about. That's my main criticism of him and I do appreciate his strengths and always have. He has too much faith in CJ for me. Better technical footballers are more consistent and consistency is crucial.I wonder if more effective in certain situations than others would be a fairer description. In a game like Wigan he’s literally all over it… However in other games his overall contribution is still very good and he will still create chances.
Hopefully the addition of Dembele will give us an additional option and perhaps enable us to be much more effective at unlocking the opportunities in those sides who set out to defend.
20togo
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If I were you mary, I'd go and have a look at the stats and time on the pitch that Hamilton had under McCarthy.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Yes... I'm not entirely sure that's down to CJ though... Despite him delivering an admittedly smaller number of decent balls into the box, we simply couldn't capitalise. No surprises that as soon as we get a semi-competent striker, we manage to look far more potent going forward....
voyeur
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Nothing is entirely down to CJ. Since Lavery score twice in the first 25 minutes of the season, we have scored 2 league goals, only one of which was by a striker. Collective problem.
CJ played throughout. He's only a part of the problem but he's involved. How many teams will come to Bloomfield and allow space behind like Wigan did? It may well be a one off.
20togo
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Well said again. Of course it's not entirely down to CJ but his role on the pitch is to create chances and it's fair to say that most on here think he wasn't being used properly even though mary seems to think he's good at defending. What we need from Critchley is to not put the shackles on CJ and then it's down to CJ himself to find a far greater level of consistency than he has failed to show so far since he joined us. We are back in L1 so it should be easier for him. I hope he can do it but not convinced he can.
SeasideKurt
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CJ played the majority of last season and we got relegated for a reason. Shite players. Shite manager. Shite board. = Relegation.
You're notorious for knowing sweet fuck all about football.
CJ is that good, we've got clubs lining up to take him off our hands. He's utter shite. 1 half good game in 10 and the knobheads like you, come out saying " I told you so "
I can count on ONE hand his 7 out of 10 performances or more in 3 seasons. Awful.
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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CJ also played under Dobbie and featured prominently in pretty much every single positive result that we had last season. I actually did a blow by blow account of a couple of games where you and some other fool had done your usual thing of criticising him without having actually watched the game (or at least watched it with your blinkers on) and CJ's contribution both defensively and going forward was outstanding.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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The fact that you've got an intelligent CF capable of feeding the ball out to CJ and then actually getting himself into the right position in the box to be available for and capitalise on the cross is a big factor though. Contrast that with Lavery who rarely features in the build up or say Big Gaz Madine who could win and feed the ball, but was then a good four yards behind play when it came to being in the box and it's not hard to see why we haven't got the most out of him.
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voyeur
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I was going to say time will tell but CJ has been with us 3 years!
I'm not yet convinced by our attacking options if we are really serious about promotion but if we can get Joseph fit and keep him and Rhodes fit it will help. And Dembele might help transform things. Definite scope for improvement there but it needs to become a reality. Fitness being a key aspect obviously.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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He has and by and large he’s shown himself to be a significant contributor at L1 level and a solid player and good impact player at Championship level.
He has some limitations, but he also has attributes that other players don’t have. As I said above, a key issue has been that we’ve struggled to get striking options into the danger areas quick enough… with Madine CJ was forced to take the ball right to the byline and then try and cut back to the penalty spot, just so Gaz could catch up with play.
I’m not sure about our attacking options either… I don’t like criticising players, so hopefully they will come good.
Razzledazzle53
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He clearly knows a dam sight more than you Kurtis (cue abuse).
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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No ,but you do bite.
20togo
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seems mary wants to forget about the last 3 seasons and that Yates was here whose movement in the box was very good. Mary being his usual contray self and clutching at straws.
fcblackpool
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Absolbluddylutely. People are scared to think 'hang on, I might be a bit out with my opinion'.
The thing with CJ really is simple. Play him in the LW position and in games where the ball can be in front of him and he'll be an important player in that game. Play him RWB or tucked in midfield and you may as well play any one of us there.
Surely that's on page 2 of the FIFA master coaching bible?
Matesrates
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That’s it, it’s like playing Lavery as a Central defender
JJpool
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As said many times, CJ is a useful asset when used right.
He has some games where it just doesn't work and his touch evades him and others where he looks a cut above.
It's not really fair to judge based off where he was played and in a side that was struggling overall, but in the last game that was setup better, he did very well.
In the past he's been involved in many good moments that I've shown before.
His stats in league 1 vastly better Dales last season and CJ missed a big part of the season.
He may be limited but if used right he can cause issues or at least if marked out the game hopefully it frees up space elsewhere for others.
Hit and miss but managers keep him around because on his day he can do things others can't.
He has some games where it just doesn't work and his touch evades him and others where he looks a cut above.
It's not really fair to judge based off where he was played and in a side that was struggling overall, but in the last game that was setup better, he did very well.
In the past he's been involved in many good moments that I've shown before.
His stats in league 1 vastly better Dales last season and CJ missed a big part of the season.
He may be limited but if used right he can cause issues or at least if marked out the game hopefully it frees up space elsewhere for others.
Hit and miss but managers keep him around because on his day he can do things others can't.
AllTheBoysAreCheerin'
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How many good games have the team had?
voyeur
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The team has stopped goals effectively in all but one game. The other end of the pitch needs a rebuild. Very little works consistently well in the final third.How many good games have the team had?
AngelBFC
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Bang on .
At the end of the day he’s not a versatile footballer.
He’s effective at running down the wing very quickly and getting the ball into a dangerous area .
Defenders are terrified of him. He’s an asset in this league
Ask him to anything other than the above . No chance .
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