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tangerinedreams

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Listening to Talk Sport last night and they were asking callers whether they would take their club winning a major honour or England winning on Sunday. I was quite surprised the majority picked their club despite the feel good mood sweeping.the nation at the moment.
I know its been done before but obviously never with England on the verge of winning a tournament.
As it stands know what would you choose, England to win on Sunday or Blackpool to win promotion next season?
 
Sadler's Brylcreem said:
Oh Blackpool every time .. in fact annoys me looking through Twitter how many of my mates who don't give a rat's ass about football are putting 'it's coming home!!'
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That shouldn't annoy you? What a weird thing to say.

Does it annoy you when we take 30 + thousand to Wembley? Because 50% of those are glory hunters.

Just let people enjoy the moment, the country deserves this.
 
Blackpool EASILY. I will also get this in too, Barrow Raiders RL promotion (hopefully) would be more important as well.
 
Its about being invested in something isn't it. Despite the bizarre "for all you England haters" posts that keep appearing, we all want England to win the tournament and always have. If there's any English football fan who doesn't want them to win I'd be shocked.

But I imagine we can all relate comparing how we felt watching last night vs. watching Blackpool on the TV vs. Oxford in the away game; the Oxford game I could barely do any work for a couple of days leading up and I scared the kids I screamed so loud each time we scored! I was delighted last night and woke the kids up to tell them we were in the final (don't tell my wife!), but it's no contest which was more important to me as a Seasider.
 
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This was asked before the Euros on here and it was virtually all club. But of a daft day to ask tbh.
 
said it before, it's not an either or at all. It's both. And there's more than enough evidence on here to say that there's plenty who don't care about England. This is the real world , you don't have to make a choice like that.
 
Much as England’s achievements are exciting and good for the country as a whole, for me personally I just don’t get the same personal excitement or buzz from it.
when Blackpool scored at Wembley I was up jumping around the pub like a madman, when England scored last night I was glad but remained seated. That tells me everything.
 
20togo said:
said it before, it's not an either or at all. It's both. And there's more than enough evidence on here to say that there's plenty who don't care about England. This is the real world , you don't have to make a choice like that.
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Go through last nights match thread of literally hundreds of posts and there's no one who didn't care. As you say, it's both, but it's not 50/50. It's not a crime to say as much either.
 
I agree Blackpool every time, still want England to win but sorry it’s not the same. If a Bpool were in the play off final on one channel and England in the Euro final on the other at the same time I know which game I would watch and which I would follow on the BBC text service. So I would still be interested in the England game but not at the cost of watching the Bpool game.
 
Wizaard said:
Go through last nights match thread of literally hundreds of posts and there's no one who didn't care. As you say, it's both, but it's not 50/50. It's not a crime to say as much either.
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But you miss my whole point that I keep making. People "care" now we are doing well. Remember I keep using the term "fair weather". When we haven't been doing so well, it's very different. And that is the same with Blackpool. When we are doing well our crowds go up and when we are not doing so well they drop off. Fair weather fans and the principle applies to England as well.
 
Fortunately we don’t have to choose, but I’m not sure (at least for me) it’s a simple choice in any case.

England winning a World Cup, would certainly register higher than Blackpool winning a L1 play off as far as I’m concerned. I say that purely because a World Cup win doesn’t come around very often and I’d be sure that Blackpool would win another L1 play off…

It gets more difficult when it comes to major honours. I’d probably favour a Blackpool FA Cup win over and England Euro’s win, but I’d much prefer to have both and either one would certainly make me feel ecstatic.
 
tangerinedreams said:
Listening to Talk Sport last night and they were asking callers whether they would take their club winning a major honour or England winning on Sunday. I was quite surprised the majority picked their club despite the feel good mood sweeping.the nation at the moment.
I know its been done before but obviously never with England on the verge of winning a tournament.
As it stands know what would you choose, England to win on Sunday or Blackpool to win promotion next season?
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It's a nonsense argument as you can clearly have both.
 
BISONS said:
It's a nonsense argument as you can clearly have both.
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You can.

For me I just base my loyalty on what I'd be prepared to do for both. Last time I went to an England game against Croatia I looked round and there was a Blackpool FY4 flag by the corner flag near the away end. Last night behind the dugouts same again. Whoever keeps turning up everywhere with that deserves any success that comes their way before I do.

I literally put no effort in whatsoever into supporting England, it's just a TV programme for the most part apart from the games I can get to. I would imagine I'm everything the hardcore England fan despises about Wembley football tourists in that regard. I don't buy tickets for games to build up loyalty points and I don't travel away to watch them. So whilst I'd like to see England win a tournament as it'd obviously be a mad thing to experience, I'll never be jumping on any bandwagon.
 
poolfc said:
You can.

For me I just base my loyalty on what I'd be prepared to do for both. Last time I went to an England game against Croatia I looked round and there was a Blackpool FY4 flag by the corner flag near the away end. Last night behind the dugouts same again. Whoever keeps turning up everywhere with that deserves any success that comes their way before I do.

I literally put no effort in whatsoever into supporting England, it's just a TV programme for the most part apart from the games I can get to. I would imagine I'm everything the hardcore England fan despises about Wembley football tourists in that regard. I don't buy tickets for games to build up loyalty points and I don't travel away to watch them. So whilst I'd like to see England win a tournament as it'd obviously be a mad thing to experience, I'll never be jumping on any bandwagon.
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brutally honest assessment. And if I may be brutally honest back, your interest in football is limited to just Blackpool.
But a key point is that supporting any club is done pretty much on a weekly basis and so of course that's gonna occupy your thoughts on a regular basis. That's stating the obvious for all football fans. But as I keep saying it's not an either or situation and I struggle to understand how a football fan who is born English can show so little passion for his national football team. That's a general comment.
 
20togo said:
brutally honest assessment. And if I may be brutally honest back, your interest in football is limited to just Blackpool.
But a key point is that supporting any club is done pretty much on a weekly basis and so of course that's gonna occupy your thoughts on a regular basis. That's stating the obvious for all football fans. But as I keep saying it's not an either or situation and I struggle to understand how a football fan who is born English can show so little passion for his national football team. That's a general comment.
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And brutally honest assessment back at you. If you were as passionate as you claim you'd have moved heaven and earth to be there last night. I know I would have if I really wanted to be.
 
20togo said:
brutally honest assessment. And if I may be brutally honest back, your interest in football is limited to just Blackpool.
But a key point is that supporting any club is done pretty much on a weekly basis and so of course that's gonna occupy your thoughts on a regular basis. That's stating the obvious for all football fans. But as I keep saying it's not an either or situation and I struggle to understand how a football fan who is born English can show so little passion for his national football team. That's a general comment.
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How many England games have you been to recently? Are you destroying everyone for not caring while watching the games in your front room?

Asking for a friend.
 
Wizaard said:
How many England games have you been to recently? Are you destroying everyone for not caring while watching the games in your front room?

Asking for a friend.
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poolfc said:
And brutally honest assessment back at you. If you were as passionate as you claim you'd have moved heaven and earth to be there last night. I know I would have if I really wanted to be.
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Finance, travel access to tickets are much more of a problem with England than Blackpool. That's stating the obvious. And front room or not, fan zone or not, pub or not, there's far more enthusiasm for England than some people have shown on here for the last few years.
 
20togo said:
Finance, travel access to tickets are much more of a problem with England than Blackpool. That's stating the obvious. And front room or not, fan zone or not, pub or not, there's far more enthusiasm for England than some people have shown on here for the last few years.
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No different than the play off final in May. Limited tickets but as soon as there was a sniff of one we were both straight in there and then you find the money and you find the time. You make it work because it's something you really want to be part of and to experience because it means so much.
 
poolfc said:
No different than the play off final in May. Limited tickets but as soon as there was a sniff of one we were both straight in there and then you find the money and you find the time. You make it work because it's something you really want to be part of and to experience because it means so much.
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not really, a far bigger demand for tickets last night, was one exchanging hands for nearly a grand? You could have gone to Wembley for Blackpool with a ticket and travel for less than a 100 quid. Totally different with England.
And of course with England you had to apply for tickets months in advance, not knowing whether England would be playing in that semi final or even in that half of the draw. Or even still the competition. So yep, totally different to BFC who you knew would be playing..
 
20togo said:
not really, a far bigger demand for tickets last night, was one exchanging hands for nearly a grand? You could have gone to Wembley for Blackpool with a ticket and travel for less than a 100 quid. Totally different with England.
And of course with England you had to apply for tickets months in advance, not knowing whether England would be playing in that semi final or even in that half of the draw. Or even still the competition. So yep, totally different to BFC who you knew would be playing..
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If you want to be there and you're fully committed to following England then you find a way and you make those plans and you follow that process. The chances are your loyalty is rewarded in those circumstances and you're not hiding behind thinking you won't get a ticket anyway because you'll have built up years of commitment in the hope of these moments.

I like watching England, as difficult as it can be at times, but it's not a 24/7 thing for me. I don't even know if there's any England forums like this one out there. It's just usually something that enters my conscience in the two week windows between domestic games when there's qualifiers on. Or summer tournaments like this one.

It'll be something unique for the country to win the Euro's but looking at the opponent I think the main victory that will have to be taken is in having reached the final.
 
poolfc said:
If you want to be there and you're fully committed to following England then you find a way and you make those plans and you follow that process. The chances are your loyalty is rewarded in those circumstances and you're not hiding behind thinking you won't get a ticket anyway because you'll have built up years of commitment in the hope of these moments.

I like watching England, as difficult as it can be at times, but it's not a 24/7 thing for me. I don't even know if there's any England forums like this one out there. It's just usually something that enters my conscience in the two week windows between domestic games when there's qualifiers on. Or summer tournaments like this one.

It'll be something unique for the country to win the Euro's but looking at the opponent I think the main victory that will have to be taken is in having reached the final.
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Think you're misreading things and getting away from my main point. I'm committed to watching England and love to go to the occasional game when Ican. I'm not committed to potentially shelling out a few thousand pounds on the off chance that England will get to the semi final and final. You only have to read posts from a few who do follow England to games to see how difficult it is to get tickets so I do think you somewhat trivialise the whole point with regards to attendance and cost.
England and BFC are two separate issues when it comes to tickets and cost so I'm not hiding behind anyhing just stating facts.
 
20togo said:
Finance, travel access to tickets are much more of a problem with England than Blackpool. That's stating the obvious. And front room or not, fan zone or not, pub or not, there's far more enthusiasm for England than some people have shown on here for the last few years.
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You were calling them hypocrites for watching from home.
 
20togo said:
Think you're misreading things and getting away from my main point. I'm committed to watching England and love to go to the occasional game when Ican. I'm not committed to potentially shelling out a few thousand pounds on the off chance that England will get to the semi final and final. You only have to read posts from a few who do follow England to games to see how difficult it is to get tickets so I do think you somewhat trivialise the whole point with regards to attendance and cost.
England and BFC are two separate issues when it comes to tickets and cost so I'm not hiding behind anyhing just stating facts.
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So not a real England fan then by the sounds of it. More of an Armchair ‘Arry.

Love the way those excuses roll off the tongue BTW… They’re clearly well rehearsed 👍
 
20togo said:
twist and turn it how you want, no problem..
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As Roy Walker would say, I'm simply saying what I see.

I did spot at least one of the England Faithful from Blackpool on the TV last night and of course, others managed to make it. I'm not really convinced that you can claim to be anything more or less than the average England bandwagon jumper really 20's. I appreciate you may have a different perspective to some on the Club vs Country debate, but itls about actions rather than words surely?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
As Roy Walker would say, I'm simply saying what I see.

I did spot at least one of the England Faithful from Blackpool on the TV last night and of course, others managed to make it. I'm not really convinced that you can claim to be anything more or less than the average England bandwagon jumper really 20's. I appreciate you may have a different perspective to some on the Club vs Country debate, but itls about actions rather than words surely?
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Stop bullshitting bifster. I've never used the expression "faithful". There are Blackpool fans like Ash and one two others who are members of the England Travel club and rhey have access to getting tickets much more than I do. Just as there are loads of Blackpool fans who go to far more matches[away] than I do. Every credit to their commitment . If you want to call me the average England bandwagon jumper then that's fine too. But the difference is i care about them, I support them, I watch them,. I don't express disinterest, I don't harp on about always being let down by them. Why is that? It's because I'm English and I'm always interested in them and that's win or lose. On the other hand read the numerous threads going back years to see some peoples disdain.
 
20togo said:
Stop bullshitting bifster. I've never used the expression "faithful". There are Blackpool fans like Ash and one two others who are members of the England Travel club and rhey have access to getting tickets much more than I do. Every credit to their commitment . If you want to call me the average England bandwagon jumper then that's fine too. But the difference is i care about them, I support them, I watch them,. I don't express disinterest, I don't harp on about always being let down by them. Why is that? It's because I'm English and I'm always interested in them and that's win or lose. On the other hand read the numerous threads going back years to see some peoples disdain.
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Surely they have access to the tickets, because they are actually England Supporters, who walk the walk as opposed to just talking shit on AVFTT. It's not like that option isn't open to the rest of us, so to my mind you're either one thing or the other... The rest of it really is just debate and also how people choose to engage with their relationship with England and the English Team....That's the same with Club football too

I tend to play down my own expectations for England or for thet matter for Blackpool, but that's not because of the fact that I'm not passionate about my country or want them to lose...In fact the contrary is true and it has more to do with my own superstitions..
 
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Surely they have access to the tickets, because they are actually England Supporters, who walk the walk as opposed to just talking shit on AVFTT. It's not like that option isn't open to the rest of us, so to my mind you're either one thing or the other... The rest of it really is just debate and also how people choose to engage with their relationship with England and the English Team....That's the same with Club football too

I tend to play down my own expectations for England or for thet matter for Blackpool, but that's not because of the fact that I'm not passionate about my country or want them to lose...In fact the contrary is true and it has more to do with my own superstitions..
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I think it entails a bit more than that bifster and I'm sure you know that. It's about finance, family and a host of other things. it's a far bigger commitment financially and family wise to be able to go and watch all England games,especially at major tournaments. You know that so stop being a dick eh!
I could also do a Wiz by saying I went to a load of England home matches in the 70's,
 
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20togo said:
I think it entails a bit more than that bifster and I'm sure you know that. It's about finance, family and a host of other things. it's a far bigger commitment financially and family wise to be able to go and watch all England games,especially at major tournaments. You know that so stop being a dick eh!
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I know what it entails, as I'm sure so those who do actually follow the National Team. You are either committed to it or you're not and if you are committed to it, then you find the finances and you prioritise it alongside your other commitments.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm simply highlighting a bit of hypocrisy on your part.... You just watch England games on the telly like everyone else does and just like eberyone else you want England to win... The rest of it (as I said) is just a debate about how people might feel about the side, historic disappointment, the manager, choice of players etc... i.e. normal football stuff.

Maybe you can come back and talk to us all once you've actually attended a few real games🤣
 
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I know what it entails, as I'm sure so those who do actually follow the National Team. You are either committed to it or you're not and if you are committed to it, then you find the finances and you prioritise it alongside your other commitments.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm simply highlighting a bit of hypocrisy on your part.... You just watch England games on the telly like everyone else does and just like eberyone else you want England to win... The rest of it (as I said) is just a debate about how people might feel about the side, historic disappointment, the manager, choice of players etc... i.e. normal football stuff.

Maybe you can come back and talk to us all once you've actually attended a few real games🤣
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I've attended plenty of England games over the years so I'll talk to you when I want.
And my whole point is really about that debate. about how people feel. Deflect away though.
 
20togo said:
I've attended plenty of England games over the years so I'll talk to you when I want.
And my whole point is really about that debate. about how people feel. Deflect away though.
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Crikey, keep your knickers on, I was just saying that you're a bit of an armchair England Fan... You've admitted as much yourself! If you've been to a couple of games in the dim and distant past, then fair do's, but maybe your hearts not in it any more, missing a semi-final and all that.

Like I said, people have different individual relationships with England, but that doesn't mean that you can claim some kind of superiority over them. As I said before, in your case it's all just talk in any case, which is evidenced by the fact you were sat at home watching on T.V. last night (i.e you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk).... Surely anyone can pop on AVFTT once in a while and type "I love England", it's not exactly putting yourself out very much is it?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Crikey, keep your knickers on, I was just saying that you're a bit of an armchair England Fan... You've admitted as much yourself! If you've been to a couple of games in the dim and distant past, then fair do's, but maybe your hearts not in it any more, missing a semi-final and all that.

Like I said, people have different individual relationships with England, but that doesn't mean that you can claim some kind of superiority over them. As I said before, in your case it's all just talk in any case, which is evidenced by the fact you were sat at home watching on T.V. last night (i.e you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk).... Surely anyone can pop on AVFTT once in a while and type "I love England", it's not exactly putting yourself out very much is it?
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Tend to think that most of the nation are armchair fans. That's a pretty obvious statement considering the population of the country and the population of Wembley. I don't claim any superiority either. But I'll continue to play along with you. I openly show on here my support for my countries football team whereas others show their disdain and have been doing so for years.
 
20togo said:
Tend to think that most of the nation are armchair fans. That's a pretty obvious statement considering the population of the country and the population of Wembley. I don't claim any superiority either. But I'll continue to play along with you. I openly show on here my support for my countries football team whereas others show their disdain and have been doing so for years.
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Well done...

I have an England Duvet cover👍
 
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