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Out of his depth at right back...I know he gives his all and gets stuck in..good for the odd goal...but is always drawn into the middle and his positional sense is poor....and very rarely get close to the winger...if hes to stay in this team needs to stay at central defensive midfield....Stoke did their homework and 2 easy goals....I think we had a similar fullback a few years ago....Mellor...good for the odd goal but terrible defensively.
 
Out of his depth at right back...I know he gives his all and gets stuck in..good for the odd goal...but is always drawn into the middle and his positional sense is poor....and very rarely get close to the winger...if hes to stay in this team needs to stay at central defensive midfield....Stoke did their homework and 2 easy goals....I think we had a similar fullback a few years ago....Mellor...good for the odd goal but terrible defensively.

He was mom last week at right back but I agree with you that he isn’t really a right back. His best position is defensive midfield and that is where he should be playing with Dougall on the bench. But even though that’s his best position one of the priority signings for me is an experienced, out and out holding midfielder who can really take control of the game. Stewart is perfect apart from is balsa wood legs, we don’t want a utility player in there and Dougall isn’t demanding enough.
 
i think he had a reasonable game yesterday, hes not the best full back in the world and lacks a bit of pace, but he reads the game quite well and hes improved immeasurably going forward.

With bowler in front of him he was forced to come inside and stoke had two players consistently working that flank, during pre season we conceded numerous goals in a similar manner to yesterday, but we were often vulnerable down the left during a lot of last season.

i think MA needs to work out how to defend that side of the pitch when we have Bowler on the right in an attacking role.
 
i think he had a reasonable game yesterday, hes not the best full back in the world and lacks a bit of pace, but he reads the game quite well and hes improved immeasurably going forward.

With bowler in front of him he was forced to come inside and stoke had two players consistently working that flank, during pre season we conceded numerous goals in a similar manner to yesterday, but we were often vulnerable down the left during a lot of last season.

i think MA needs to work out how to defend that side of the pitch when we have Bowler on the right in an attacking role.
Think both Gabriel and Husband will greatly improve the back four when they're back, also think Kenny is the man to play DM.
 
Think both Gabriel and Husband will greatly improve the back four when they're back, also think Kenny is the man to play DM.
Yesterday we were crying out for Husband at left back just for his bite and a slightly better positional sense, but i get the feeling he may have been regualrly done by what was a very pacy winger.
 
Out of his depth at right back...I know he gives his all and gets stuck in..good for the odd goal...but is always drawn into the middle and his positional sense is poor....and very rarely get close to the winger...if hes to stay in this team needs to stay at central defensive midfield....Stoke did their homework and 2 easy goals....I think we had a similar fullback a few years ago....Mellor...good for the odd goal but terrible defensively.
sorry, I missed theo/p. Just made exactly the same point on another thread.
 
i think he had a reasonable game yesterday, hes not the best full back in the world and lacks a bit of pace, but he reads the game quite well and hes improved immeasurably going forward.

With bowler in front of him he was forced to come inside and stoke had two players consistently working that flank, during pre season we conceded numerous goals in a similar manner to yesterday, but we were often vulnerable down the left during a lot of last season.

i think MA needs to work out how to defend that side of the pitch when we have Bowler on the right in an attacking role.
Totally disagree. With Bowler in front of him, that should make him stay out wide even more! He's not there to cover the centre halves, he's there to mark the winger. Both goals came from him not marking the winger and allowing crosses to come in too easily.
 
Full backs don't mark wingers, they mark the edge of the penalty area
Then get accused of being out of position when a winger gets the ball under no pressure
Crazy modern coaching
I prefer 3 at the back with wing backs as used by Stoke
Or have your full backs mark wingers tighter
 
Without Connolly yesterday we would have lost even more heavily. The only player putting a tackle in that actually left something on the Orcs. Agree we need to work something out that allows Bowler his virtually free role (assuming he stays) and a fully fit Jordan Gabriel gives that extra energy. the problem is, he's always getting injured.
 
Out of his depth at right back...I know he gives his all and gets stuck in..good for the odd goal...but is always drawn into the middle and his positional sense is poor....and very rarely get close to the winger...if hes to stay in this team needs to stay at central defensive midfield....Stoke did their homework and 2 easy goals....I think we had a similar fullback a few years ago....Mellor...good for the odd goal but terrible defensively.
MOM last week, one average game and its Connoley out, support the team!

Who do you want to put there instead a youth player?
 
Full backs don't mark wingers, they mark the edge of the penalty area
Then get accused of being out of position when a winger gets the ball under no pressure
Crazy modern coaching
I prefer 3 at the back with wing backs as used by Stoke
Or have your full backs mark wingers tighter
Get what you are saying but it seems opposition full backs always seem to manage marking Bowler. Opposition managers seem to identify our danger in Bowler and attempt to do something about it. Do we not do the same? Connolly is decent enough but ulrimately Stokes two goals both came in from crosses where his winger was in acres of pace. If Connolly is told to tuck in when the ball is on the opposite side then he's not totally to blame but it's still a problem which needs sorting. We can't continue to allow wingers to have the freedom to pinpoint their balls into the box.
 
Get what you are saying but it seems opposition full backs always seem to manage marking Bowler. Opposition managers seem to identify our danger in Bowler and attempt to do something about it. Do we not do the same? Connolly is decent enough but ulrimately Stokes two goals both came in from crosses where his winger was in acres of pace. If Connolly is told to tuck in when the ball is on the opposite side then he's not totally to blame but it's still a problem which needs sorting. We can't continue to allow wingers to have the freedom to pinpoint their balls into the box.
We clearly didn't track runners for both goals. Players not knowing their job of players switching off? I'm with you 20s that the first thing to do is stop crosses coming in, but when that fails (and it will throughourt a game) please track your runners!
 
MOM last week, one average game and its Connoley out, support the team!

Who do you want to put there instead a youth player?
The point is he is not a right back, and we have started two seasons with him playing there now. We need to sign someone because Gabriel does seem to have his fair share of injuries.
Connolly does a job and gives his all but he is wasted there, he is much better in midfield.
 
The point is he is not a right back, and we have started two seasons with him playing there now. We need to sign someone because Gabriel does seem to have his fair share of injuries.
Connolly does a job and gives his all but he is wasted there, he is much better in midfield.
Bowler is a luxury and there's no problem with that if he's used properly. He's the only player in the current team that can regularly beat a man. What he's not so good at is defending. IMO he gives players too much room. With Connolly not being a specialist FB it just exacerbates the problem for us defending that side and of course both goals came from there yesterday. I just wonder if Gary is going to be out for a while why not stick Josh in the middle of the front three?
PS.
Don't play the ball to his head though.
 
MOM last week, one average game and its Connoley out, support the team!

Who do you want to put there instead a youth player?
IMO...I think Moore deserves a chance...did nothing wrong when called upon pre season and would benefit from the experience and is a natural Right back and would hold the fort till Gabriel returns.
Dont get me wrong...I do like Connolly...but not at Right back....It doesnt help when 5 or 6 of your team mates put in inept performances as well.
 
Bowler is a luxury and there's no problem with that if he's used properly. He's the only player in the current team that can regularly beat a man. What he's not so good at is defending. IMO he gives players too much room. With Connolly not being a specialist FB it just exacerbates the problem for us defending that side and of course both goals came from there yesterday. I just wonder if Gary is going to be out for a while why not stick Josh in the middle of the front three?
PS.
Don't play the ball to his head though.
nope, a player in the middle of the front three plays with his back to goal and that will just negate all Bowlers attributes. Give him a free role to drift where he wants is perhaps an option but to do that maybe requires two defensive midfield players.
 
The trouble for Connelly is that he's not the best player in any single position. He can cut it as a 2nd defensive midfielder in a 4 but you can't play him in the centre of a 3 because he lacks the required first touch and range of passing.

Both full-backs suffer from lack of defensive cover anyway.
 
nope, a player in the middle of the front three plays with his back to goal and that will just negate all Bowlers attributes. Give him a free role to drift where he wants is perhaps an option but to do that maybe requires two defensive midfield players.
How about Yates and Lavery up front with Bowler playing directly behind them. With Fiorini and Dougall in the middle and a back 5....I know...wishful thinking ...lol
 
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nope, a player in the middle of the front three plays with his back to goal and that will just negate all Bowlers attributes. Give him a free role to drift where he wants is perhaps an option but to do that maybe requires two defensive midfield players.
I'm pretty sure there are teams who play without the middle man of a front three playing with his back goal (Liverpool and City to name but two). Even if you correct me, which I'm sure you will, how about us being the first team in the world ever to play the ball through to Bowler in the middle, to his feet, with all that space to do a left and a right step over or a right and a left step over. He could go either way and completely confuse the opposition.
 
How about Yates and Lavery up front with Bowler playing directly behind them. With Fiorini and Dougall in the middle and a back 5....I know...wishful thinking ...lol
the reason I'm sort of against it is because it will or could impact on the role of Fiorini or Carey or Patino who should be players looking to get into those areas as well. I don't think it will be long till Carey finds himself back on the bench.
 
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I'm pretty sure there are teams who play without the middle man of a front three playing with his back goal (Liverpool and City to name but two). Even if you correct me, which I'm sure you will, how about us being the first team in the world ever to play the ball through to Bowler in the middle, to his feet, with all that space to do a left and a right step over or a right and a left step over. He could go either way and completely confuse the opposition.
I won't correct you so cut the sarcasm or you'll get even more back, but it's alright quoting two of the worlds best teams as examples of how we could play but therein lies the difference. We are a million miles away from them all over the pitch in terms of ability, vision,pace and control. Critchley thought he could get us playing the Liverpool way when he first came but you have to have the ability all over the pitch to do that.
 
...and we don't compete against teams at the same level that Liverpool and City do so we don't have to be quite as good at it as they are.
The fact of the matter is we are a team that are currently goal shy. Yates, Lavery and Bowler have shown they can score goals and we need to get them doing that again. When Gary plays we tend to get drawn into the system you describe but it didn't work particularly well for Critch and although it's a bit early to judge what will happen under Appy, pre-season didn't fill me with confidence that we are going to score a lot of goals.
So I'm just trying to think outside the box. I'm not expecting Appy to move Bowler into the middle and quite frankly I still expect Bowler to leave.
Looking at this afternoons scores we might get a late bid from Utd. 😂
 
...and we don't compete against teams at the same level that Liverpool and City do so we don't have to be quite as good at it as they are.
The fact of the matter is we are a team that are currently goal shy. Yates, Lavery and Bowler have shown they can score goals and we need to get them doing that again. When Gary plays we tend to get drawn into the system you describe but it didn't work particularly well for Critch and although it's a bit early to judge what will happen under Appy, pre-season didn't fill me with confidence that we are going to score a lot of goals.
So I'm just trying to think outside the box. I'm not expecting Appy to move Bowler into the middle and quite frankly I still expect Bowler to leave.
Looking at this afternoons scores we might get a late bid from Utd. 😂
yep, but Liverpool and City are the best teams at the level they compete against. We are not. And even at our level you still have to have the attributes to play that way. A player still has to have the technical ability, he still has to have the vision to see a pass even at the level they are at.
 
yep, but Liverpool and City are the best teams at the level they compete against. We are not. And even at our level you still have to have the attributes to play that way. A player still has to have the technical ability, he still has to have the vision to see a pass even at the level they are at.
And that's why we've brought in Patino, Fiorini and Williams. 👍
 
and that's why I refer you to ~#26.
It's good to see agree with me. 😉
I should point out that not too long ago I did make the point that I didn't think we had the players to play 4-3-3 but that was before I came up with the masterplan of playing Bowler down the middle running onto those fabulous defence splitting passes from Patino.
 
It's good to see agree with me. 😉
I should point out that not too long ago I did make the point that I didn't think we had the players to play 4-3-3 but that was before I came up with the masterplan of playing Bowler down the middle running onto those fabulous defence splitting passes from Patino.
Nope you suggested him as the middle man of a front three and he's not that nor ever will be. Giving him a licence to roam is a different matter. And in the role you want him to play he would need to be a much better finisher than he is at the moment. Playing in the role you suggest it would be him getting on the end of chances being created for him. As some-one with a licence to roam a bit hopefully he'd be creating more chances for others.
 
It's good to see agree with me. 😉
I should point out that not too long ago I did make the point that I didn't think we had the players to play 4-3-3 but that was before I came up with the masterplan of playing Bowler down the middle running onto those fabulous defence splitting passes from Patino.
Critchly wanted to play 4-3-3 and quickly realised he didnt have the players for that system....nothing has changed up front now and without a 20 goal a season striker coming in between now and the end of the transfer window...Appleton will soon realise it wont work for him either.
 
Every team needs a utility player like Connolly in their squad.Don't forget also so far he is our leading goalscorer.⚽😀
 
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Nope you suggested him as the middle man of a front three and he's not that nor ever will be. Giving him a licence to roam is a different matter. And in the role you want him to play he would need to be a much better finisher than he is at the moment. Playing in the role you suggest it would be him getting on the end of chances being created for him. As some-one with a licence to roam a bit hopefully he'd be creating more chances for others.
I don't disagree with that and the reality of what I'm saying is that the front three all need bit more freedom. TBH Appy actually sets up 4-5-1. That drags Bowler back into being the defender he isn't. Jerry does a bit better defensively but again is that what we want from him?
Going back to yesterday I really thought putting Fiorini as the No.6 was just a rank bad decision. So lots of problems to solve and we are at least 3 players short but it's that wise and seasoned old pro in mid-field that we need most of all.
 
The point is he is not a right back, and we have started two seasons with him playing there now. We need to sign someone because Gabriel does seem to have his fair share of injuries.
Connolly does a job and gives his all but he is wasted there, he is much better in midfield.
He's played all across the back and CM. Appleton knows his position better than us. I think he does a good job at RB.

Doubt anyone was moaning about his performance at Reading.
 
IMO...I think Moore deserves a chance...did nothing wrong when called upon pre season and would benefit from the experience and is a natural Right back and would hold the fort till Gabriel returns.
Dont get me wrong...I do like Connolly...but not at Right back....It doesnt help when 5 or 6 of your team mates put in inept performances as well.
I'm sorry but Connolly is miles above Moore in terms of development. Big difference from pre season and the championship.

Would like to see more of the youth but let's get points on the table first.
 
He's played all across the back and CM. Appleton knows his position better than us. I think he does a good job at RB.

Doubt anyone was moaning about his performance at Reading.
I don't mind him filling in anywhere in an emergency, but we should have two specialist players in every position.

Yes he had a good game at Reading, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't bother bringing in someone better. I don't blame him for being caught out of position, you can't expect him to specialise in every position he covers.
 
I'm sorry but Connolly is miles above Moore in terms of development. Big difference from pre season and the championship.

Would like to see more of the youth but let's get points on the table first.
Of course he is but we need a specialist RB playing at RB. IMO good FBs are key to a good team, at least that’s what Jurgen told me. 😉
 
Of course he is but we need a specialist RB playing at RB. IMO good FBs are key to a good team, at least that’s what Jurgen told me. 😉
We also need a proper, experienced defensive midfielder and that's the risk of being a utility player, you can be playing every week and suddenly you're on the bench.
 
Connolly was at fault for both goals allowing the winger time and space to get his head up and pick a pass, it shows the difference in styles with Bowler who doesn't get his head up, and although exciting to watch because of his dribbling is very poor at delivering a pin-point accurate cross with his right foot. Now it can be argued that Bowler hasn't been allowed to get his head up because of being marked with two men, but if you look at last season's stats Kirk outperformed with assists on limited starts. In fact, Dougall was a far more creative player than Bowler last season.
Also, Bowler is poor at tracking back and helping the fullback mainly I suspect because he has used up all his energy on the ball. I don't think we will keep Bowler but if we do he really should be moved into a no-10 position with freedom of movement and no defensive duties to track back.

As for Connoly he has a good shot and is hardworking and a good utility player for the squad, but falls far behind Dougall and Stewart and is not an experienced championship-quality midfielder. Appleton I suspect has been weighing up the squad and will realize that given Stewarts' injury record and Virtue's lack of ability at this level that he will need to get another more experienced player in and get rid of Virtue and maybe Stewart.
If Dougall were to get injured then it puts an awful lot of pressure on the young players to perform and they may thrive on the pressure or they may lose their confidence or not cope with playing every game.

I suspect that we will be signing a right back, Gabriel is good but injury prone.
 
Problem for me is that Appleyard has now brought in so many midfielders in a position that is Connolly's strengths it's a struggle to see how they'll all fit in!
 
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