Coulson v Dale or Lyons

Sorry but I judge the manager on his player recruitment and selection. For me, Andy Lyons is the most valuable player on our books. If the manager thinks he 's not good enough even for the bench then he knows SFA. Bringing in inferior players to play ahead of him is ludicrous.
 
I have seen nothing from Coulson too suggest that he has enough quality to play for us. He is weak in the tackle, poor distribution and no real pace.

I believe Critchley has been seduced by him being at Middlesbrough and having been on loan at Aberdeen but neither club is interested in keeping him I suspect for the reasons above.

Surely we won’t waste money on offering him a contract in the summer. His level I’m afraid is well below that of League 1.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
I have seen nothing from Coulson too suggest that he has enough quality to play for us. He is weak in the tackle, poor distribution and no real pace.

I believe Critchley has been seduced by him being at Middlesbrough and having been on loan at Aberdeen but neither club is interested in keeping him I suspect for the reasons above.

Surely we won’t waste money on offering him a contract in the summer. His level I’m afraid is well below that of League 1.
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Genuine question. Do we have scouts at the club or is that a thing of the past.

What is the player recruitment process for football clubs, is it just based on stats and recommendations from agents.
 
no9 said:
Genuine question. Do we have scouts at the club or is that a thing of the past.

What is the player recruitment process for football clubs, is it just based on stats and recommendations from agents.
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I’m no close enough to the situation at Blackpool but usually there are scouts in all regions and often they work for several clubs sending alerts when they find a talent.

That would be followed up by the chief scout and recommendation to the head of recruitment and the manager.

Often though I believe that the grapevine lets managers know when players are available and word of mouth. Managers might also know of a player from previous roles they had. Research may well be done online now but stats aren’t everything.

Bothe the EPL and EFL print lists of free transfers and players out of contract.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
I’m no close enough to the situation at Blackpool but usually there are scouts in all regions and often they work for several clubs sending alerts when they find a talent.

That would be followed up by the chief scout and recommendation to the head of recruitment and the manager.

Often though I believe that the grapevine lets managers know when players are available and word of mouth. Managers might also know of a player from previous roles they had. Research may well be done online now but stats aren’t everything.

Bothe the EPL and EFL print lists of free transfers and players out of contract.
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Thanks for that.
No doubt it's a competitive market place and not easy to bring players in.
 
Dale came off the bench and looked tricky and lively for 20 mins or so playing RW for us. Setup Goodwin for his first goal with a great cross…

Shame we bottled the win again but alas…

 
Do the players lose motivation with this 'It's a squad game' talk that's constantly peddled? when you've a player that has had a good couple of games, then gets dropped so squad players can play, as they did last night? It must be demoralising and disruptive. I know with the volume of games we've had with the cup run that to play your strongest 11 for 90 minutes in 3 games in a week isn't realistic, but surely you've got to start your strongest 11? Why start Beesley, but have Dembele on the bench? Connolly starting at right-back in stead of Pennington? Byers not even given a look in. We had a strong first team that beat Posh in the league in a tight game a few days earlier, yet thought we could beat them by downgrading ours for the cup game.

The whole thing doesn't make sense, and I'm not sure where players think they are in the pecking order.
 
I thought Coulson looked promising on his debut but he’s been poor the last few times I’ve seen him.

Lyons hasn’t been great either, it’s a bit of a problem position for us. It won’t be popular with some but I’d play CJ there for some more attacking threat.
 
Lyons has done absolutely nothing this season to justify starting week in, week out.

He would be better on the right side, but Gabriel is better in that role.

I didn’t see last nights games as I was working but from what I’ve seen Coulson is okay and passable for L1 and we are better with a natural left footer on that side at wing back and I’d rather him than CJ.
 
PR3BFC said:
Lyons has done absolutely nothing this season to justify starting week in, week out.

He would be better on the right side, but Gabriel is better in that role.

I didn’t see last nights games as I was working but from what I’ve seen Coulson is okay and passable for L1 and we are better with a natural left footer on that side at wing back and I’d rather him than CJ.
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Struggling to understand how he is OK for League 1. He doesnt offer much defensively apart from being in position and an overall defensive shape. He certainly doesn't offer anything in an attacking sense. If we are playing him there to be defensive we may as well play Husband there and a better LCB.
 
Coulson is awful no better than Thompson who at least showed some aggression

Its been a problem position all season and it really didn't have to be

Playing Dale in that role and then selling him once we went to a 343 that would have suited him more, just sums up the clusterfuck of Critchleys tactics
 
If we are naming and shaming and you want to mark last nights back 5 obviously Eky got top marks. My own view is that on last nights performance Coulson scored above Gabriel, Connolly and Hubby. That doesn't necessarily guarantee him a high score it's just that the other three were significantly lower.
Lyons appears to have the ability to become a decent player but he needs to get on the weights. Coulson is also a bit lightweight and probably not too disimilar a player to Lyons so like others I don't see him as a particularly worthwhile loan.
Dale was OK with the attacking aspect of his WB role but his defensive capabilties were probably the weakest of the 3 mentioned.
Thompson has the enthusiasm and the aggression but was too ill-disciplined. Hopefully his loan will polish him up a bit.
 
Insider said:
If we are naming and shaming and you want to mark last nights back 5 obviously Eky got top marks. My own view is that on last nights performance Coulson scored above Gabriel, Connolly and Hubby. That doesn't necessarily guarantee him a high score it's just that the other three were significantly lower.
Lyons appears to have the ability to become a decent player but he needs to get on the weights. Coulson is also a bit lightweight and probably not too disimilar a player to Lyons so like others I don't see him as a particularly worthwhile loan.
Dale was OK with the attacking aspect of his WB role but his defensive capabilties were probably the weakest of the 3 mentioned.
Thompson has the enthusiasm and the aggression but was too ill-disciplined. Hopefully his loan will polish him up a bit.
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It’s not about naming and shaming Insy, more about what NC saw in Coulson, above our own contracted players. Dale put in a real effort to do the defensive work and I struggled to believe how he just fell off the radar. Thompson, for all that he has to learn, has a lot more ability than Coulson. Lyons has lots of scope, been through a difficult personal time and appears to be frozen out. Critchley is supposed to be able to develop players, but I’ve seen no evidence of that.

So, going back to the point of the OP, what on earth did he see Coulson would add to what we already had. My view, and I may be wrong, is that a number of players have made their feelings known about selections or non-selection. It is obvious NC likes grateful players, whereas I’d prefer a player to be knocking down my door. It’s Simon’s money, but in his position I’d be thinking hard about how it’s being spent and the impact on contracted assets.
 
Not seen enough of Coulson yet as I've missed a lot of the games since he came in but in theory it feels better that we've at least (for now) got a pair of wing backs that Critchley will trust to play on their correct sides in this set up he's gone for. It was never going anywhere with Thompson and Critchley since at least Morecambe in pre-season and Connolly/Dale/Lyons are not left wing backs. With at least one of those (Dale) confirming that he'd never played the position before, and now he's no longer here.

If you're going to insist on a right footer on that side, which that's what it looked like we were going to be this season, then they need to be quick to pick the ball up on the run and able to cut inside at pace and get shots off. Otherwise it's always going to look awkward and negating the whole point of it by having them go on the outside on their weaker foot.

It's now whether HC has actually got anything to start imposing himself on a game, or even break out of the tactical plan and start making runs for a forward pass to get in behind a right back and cause some attacking problems. I'm guessing not from what has been posted about him so far but he's not exactly come into a bed of roses well oiled machine either.
 
Wizaard said:
Lyons was a bright spark last season. He has done nothing this season.
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There has been something wrong from Day 1 between Critchley and Lyons. Pure speculation I know but he seems to have been marginalised. It's incredible when you think about it, Lyons looked a really good prospect in the Championship and scored a few goals. We had to wait a long time to actually get him in the building and now he is not even selected in the Match day squad? Similarly with Dale, played well for Portsmouth last season and had done ok here but then is sold out of the blue to one of our direct rivals! Why? I think i know the answer Critchley has very poor man-management skills and Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee are just a couple of yes men.
 
Part-circumstances, part-player I would say

I too want Lyons to succeed and build on the initial promise but he’s played plenty of games this year and done pretty much zero. Hence not getting in / staying in the team.

He’s less lightweight, more flyweight - gets knocked of the ball repeatedly. Has some skill and legs but has provided nowhere near enough as an offensive outlet (except when we’ve seen him overlap in a 442 in the Champ). When he plays we 90% attack down the other flank.

You can stomach the weaknesses if he keeps popping up with those late darts to get on the end of crosses and score, but that magic has quickly faded.

Some of this may be due to the formation, or shattered confidence, lack of a regular start, family issues - whatever - but, as stated higher up, he definitely needs to bulk up regardless of the system we play.

But the kid has ability. There have still been occasional glimpses this year but far too occasional.
 
Another reason why I want a new manager. We need better players, not players equal so we can rotate all the time. Especially getting one on loan to play over our own player whom is equally as good if not better.
 
tommytwojags said:
Sorry but I judge the manager on his player recruitment and selection. For me, Andy Lyons is the most valuable player on our books. If the manager thinks he 's not good enough even for the bench then he knows SFA. Bringing in inferior players to play ahead of him is ludicrous.
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I go along with this @tommytwojags - clearly his Dad's death had a major impact at the start of the season but to bring in Coulson and to consider him better than Lyons is utterly culpable.
 
Coulson had been crap.

Looked much better v Bolton before he went off at HT and seems to upped his game v Shrews.

Long may his good form continue and I'll be happy to take back my earlier assessment of the lad!
 
He was absolutely fantastic yesterday, my MOTM. Nothing got past him defensively, his tackling and interceptions were brilliant, he showed great desire to always be first to the ball, and topped it off with the goal. Sometimes it just takes a while to find your feet in a new team and hopefully he's settling down now.
 
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