Covid growing exponentially

BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Not good news

Easy to be in the bubble of the current UK lull where we are at the bottom end of a wave but worldwide it's a very different story. Double mutation variants are now being found, where they can spread quicker and escape vaccines/antibodies and cases are now rising exponentially.

Make the most of any freedom you get in the next few weeks. This ride isn't over yet.
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Instead of spouting all your usual doom and gloom crap. What would you now do differently if you were in charge?
 
The thing BHOK fails to notice is that we're identifying these cases because of the amount of gene sequencing we're doing, x10 relative to the best performing EU countries and x100 for some of the others.

These variants are likely equally present across the EU, but they'll never notice them until it's too late, thus they'll never do the sort of surge testing and enhanced contact tracing that might control them before they become established in the population.
 
cruzzer said:
Instead of spouting all your usual doom and gloom crap. What would you now do differently if you were in charge?
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It needs a global solution to a global problem, not the current selfish approach of one country against another or else we will just keep seeing the waves pass by at different times in different areas around the world allowing for more mutations to cultivate.

Every country needs to contribute to a centralised fund, with contributions based on wealth, allowing for a better co-ordinated approch across the globe.

Vaccines should be prioritised where the case numbers or mutations are at their worst.

There's so much more that could be done but that would be a start.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It needs a global solution to a global problem, not the current selfish approach of one country against another or else we will just keep seeing the waves pass by at different times in different areas around the world allowing for more mutations to cultivate.

Every country needs to contribute to a centralised fund, with contributions based on wealth, allowing for a better co-ordinated approch across the globe.

Vaccines should be prioritised where the case numbers or mutations are at their worst.

There's so much more that could be done but that would be a start.
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That’s called the WHO and we, and others, have contributed heavily.

What have they achieved besides bugger all?

Each nation will always look after their best interests.

Your utopian global world doesn’t and never will exist.
 
We were all gonna get wiped out by swine flu 20 years ago, it didn’t happen....
Doom and gloom and too much info and time on their hands some people, of cause its a problem but people die of lots of things everyday lots are presently incurable...
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It needs a global solution to a global problem, not the current selfish approach of one country against another or else we will just keep seeing the waves pass by at different times in different areas around the world allowing for more mutations to cultivate.

Every country needs to contribute to a centralised fund, with contributions based on wealth, allowing for a better co-ordinated approch across the globe.

Vaccines should be prioritised where the case numbers or mutations are at their worst.

There's so much more that could be done but that would be a start.
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So, essentially, what you would do differently is spout a load of waffle about global solutions and then hope someone else comes up with an answer, which co-incidentally seems to be the EU's approach.

Personally I think the UK's approach of investing heavily in vaccine development and production is the better option, both for the UK and the wider world.
 
cruzzer said:
That’s called the WHO and we, and others, have contributed heavily.

What have they achieved besides bugger all?

Each nation will always look after their best interests.

Your utopian global world doesn’t and never will exist.
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In fact this kind of nationalistic approach is probably the better answer, both for individual countries and the world as a whole.

Can you imagine how a global approach would work? December 2020, we're still squabbling about which vaccines to develop and who's going to pay for it, Pfizer & Moderna have given up and moved onto other things, Ox/AZ never gets off the ground because the £1bn+ it cost to develop has been sent to the WHO instead, if we're lucky we might see some crappy Chinese vaccine sometime in late 2022 after another year's delay arguing about who's going to produce it, by which point the virus has mutated and it doesn't work anyway.
 
Well at the moment, humans have implemented an anti-pattern. The inevitable consequence will be the continual wave affect. Our next wave here will probably be mid to late summer.

You seem happy with that. I can see a better way, one which takes co-ordination and a collective will but would be for the greater good.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Well at the moment, humans have implemented an anti-pattern. The inevitable consequence will be the continual wave affect. Our next wave here will probably be mid to late summer.

You seem happy with that. I can see a better way, one which takes co-ordination and a collective will but would be for the greater good.
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Your ideals are all well and good but fundamentally flawed. If, and it’s a big if, this could be implemented it would take years to happen, what happens in the meantime?

Again you offer no tangible solutions.
 
cruzzer said:
Your ideals are all well and good but fundamentally flawed. If, and it’s a big if, this could be implemented it would take years to happen, what happens in the meantime?

Again you offer no tangible solutions.
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With that level of negativity, it would never happen but you can transfer money in a split second and can transport goods via planes in hours to where vaccines are most needed so the only blockage is in people's minds.
 
straightatthewall said:
Some of you have forgotten what it was like to be young. 18-20 year olds have been spending the best part of their lives stuck in at home, when they should be (to quote the late great Kev Seed) 'ravin and misbehavin'. They haven't spent the last 30+ years in the boozer to the extent that it's no longer exciting and we just want to go home and get an early night. It's still fresh and interesting, and most importantly, a place for genuine socializing. It's making them happy. I can guarantee they'll be facing plenty of misery for the next couple of years when the economic hit of COVID really bites...

From my own experiences yesterday, I was positively bursting to visit the Chinese Health and Relaxation salon. Just seeing Sindy and Jasmine in their uniforms gave me an immediate lift after so many months away and the huge wave that washed over me when the ladies got to the ending of their treatments left me very happy indeed.
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Have Sindy and Jasmine had their double jabs now then?
 
Agree that there should be more cooperation. Also agree with BHOK that this is a long way from over. And the fact that a lot of people ARE thick doesn't help.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Is that true though?

There's the Covax programme, with the UK pleding £500m, there's the Ox/AZ vaccine developed by the UK and made available to the world at cost, if that's "vaccine nationalism" then more of the same please.

There's a counterpoint that if countries (and companies) that invested heavily in vaccine development and production don't see a return then nobody gets any vaccines, and the UK's domestic production is far too small to make an impact on a global scale anyway.

In fact the biggest mistake the EC made was not investing in production early, which has left EU production far behind where it could've been, so in that respect the right sort of "vaccine nationalism" would've been a good thing, both for the EU and the rest of the world.
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Its the exact opposite of vaccine Nationalism.
 
Surprised it has taken this long tbh. The way they cleared out the big cities in the beginning was asking for trouble.
 
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